The Money Trench - The Music Industry Podcast with Mark Sutherland

• TMT:44 Jin Jin On Writing Smash Hits & How Songwriter Contracts Need To Change

  Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down and chats with multi-platinum UK songwriter and creative entrepreneur, Jin Jin. With hits for Jess Glynne, Raye, Jax Jones, David Guetta, Becky Hill, Sabrina Carpenter, and many more, the pair discuss the songwriting economy, streaming reform, creative development, and what it takes to build a sustainable career behind the scenes. Recorded during Ivors week, Jin Jin reflects on her own Ivor nomination, why songwriters still struggle to get paid fairly, and why she founded her own label, management, and publishing company to help new talent rise. Plus, Jin Jin’s baby Jet makes his TMT debut! NEWSLETTER ⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up HERE⁠⁠⁠⁠ for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the ⁠⁠⁠⁠PPL⁠⁠⁠⁠. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram:⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@the_money_trench⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠The Money Trench⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠The Money Trench⁠⁠⁠⁠ GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! -⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get in touch here!⁠⁠⁠⁠ Thanks to our partners ⁠⁠⁠⁠PPL ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Earth/Percent⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Tom A Smith⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Aimless Play⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Fourth Pillar⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Sennheiser⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Junkhead Studio⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Tape Notes⁠⁠⁠⁠ Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes

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• TMT:43 Roberto Neri On The 70th Ivor Novello Awards & What Songwriters Need to Succeed

  Welcome to The Money Trench! Mark is joined at Dolby Labs in Soho by Roberto Neri, CEO of The Ivors Academy. On top of Roberto’s vast career spanning PRS, Bug Music, Downtown, Believe and Utopia, they also chat about the future of songwriting, streaming reform, AI, and championing composer rights. Roberto brings a unique perspective on music publishing, rights management, and the industry’s shifting power dynamics and also explores his drive to protect, empower, and celebrate songwriters - not just through the Ivor Novello Awards, but all year round. NEWSLETTER ⁠⁠⁠Sign up HERE⁠⁠⁠ for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the ⁠⁠⁠PPL⁠⁠⁠. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram:⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@the_money_trench⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠The Money Trench⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠The Money Trench⁠⁠⁠ GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! -⁠⁠⁠ Get in touch here!⁠⁠⁠ Thanks to our partners ⁠⁠⁠PPL ⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Earth/Percent⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Tom A Smith⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Aimless Play⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Fourth Pillar⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Sennheiser⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Junkhead Studio⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Tape Notes⁠⁠⁠ Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes

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• TMT:42 Jon Collins on How The Grassroots Levy Will Reshape The Live Biz, Plus The Big Misunderstanding Over Dynamic Pricing

  Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined live by Jon Collins, CEO of LIVE (Live music Industry Venues & Entertainment) and chair of the Liverpool City Region Music Board, at the UK Music Academic Partnership event in Liverpool. As a figure at the forefront of the grassroots levy, Jon explains the reasoning behind it and how he sees the future of the scheme. The pair also chat about the current state of the UK live industry, how LIVE is working across government and industry to keep UK live music thriving, and what everything they do means for artists, venues, and fans. NEWSLETTER ⁠⁠Sign up HERE⁠⁠ for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the ⁠⁠PPL⁠⁠. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram:⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠@the_money_trench⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠The Money Trench⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠The Money Trench⁠⁠ GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! -⁠⁠ Get in touch here!⁠⁠ Thanks to our partners ⁠⁠PPL ⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Earth/Percent⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Tom A Smith⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Aimless Play⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Fourth Pillar⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Sennheiser⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Junkhead Studio⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Tape Notes⁠⁠ Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes

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• TMT:41 Tony Harlow on How to Break More UK Superstars & The Future For Major Labels

  Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Tony Harlow, CEO of Warner Music UK, to explore his career journey from jazz records to the boardroom, and what it means to lead a major record label in the era of AI, streaming, and cultural shifts. During their chat at Warner HQ in London, they talk about Tony’s early days in record stores and at Blue Note Records, his global adventures across Australia and the US, and the lessons learnt from running labels like V2 and working with some of the biggest names in the business. The pair also discuss the challenges facing UK music exports, the evolution of major label culture, and what today’s artists need to break globally. NEWSLETTER ⁠Sign up HERE⁠ for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the ⁠PPL⁠. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram:⁠ ⁠⁠@the_money_trench⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠The Money Trench⁠ Website: ⁠The Money Trench⁠ GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! -⁠ Get in touch here!⁠ Thanks to our partners ⁠PPL ⁠ ⁠Earth/Percent⁠ ⁠Tom A Smith⁠ ⁠Aimless Play⁠ ⁠Fourth Pillar⁠ ⁠Sennheiser⁠ ⁠Junkhead Studio⁠ ⁠Tape Notes⁠ Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes

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• TMT:40 Robert Horsfall & Sonia Diwan On AI's Big Legal Challenge and the Battle for Better Artist Contracts

  Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with Robert Horsfall and Sonia Diwan, founding partners of Sound Advice. As leaders of one of the UK’s most respected law firms for artists, songwriters, and music entrepreneurs, from brokering major label deals to championing fairer contracts in the streaming age, Robert and Sonia bring decades of experience - and plenty of stories - to the table. Mark joins them at TYX Studios to talk about the evolving role of the music lawyer, the legal implications of AI in music, the streaming economy, gender equality in the industry, and why artist-focused deals still matter in 2025. NEWSLETTER Sign up HERE for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the PPL. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram: @the_money_trench LinkedIn: The Money Trench Website: The Money Trench GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! - Get in touch here! Thanks to our partners PPL  Earth/Percent Tom A Smith Aimless Play Fourth Pillar Sennheiser Junkhead Studio Tape Notes Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes

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