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Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes
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    The Lingo of Our AI Tech Overlords

    18/09/2026 | 1h
    The public debate over AI and the end of humanity; proposals to slow down AI development and improve safety; the challenges of coordinating domestically and internationally; normal accident theory and the nuclear safety analogy to AI; positive and negative controls and the always/never dilemma; predictions for the end of humanity; and Marcus wonders whether aliens have AI and how that went for them
    The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.
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    Further Reading:
    Dario Amodei. 2026. “We Must Pace the Frontier.”

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    Not Routine at All

    14/09/2026 | 51 mins.
    The international security implications of the Hugging Face hack; rogue AI agents and cyberattack attribution; competing explanations for the CIA Director’s recent visit to Moscow; signaling to various audiences; worries about Russia expanding the Ukraine conflict into NATO; US domestic politics and the state of the Iran war; and Marcus has really enjoyed the US Open
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    This Could Result in an International Incident

    05/09/2026 | 48 mins.
    The fascinating story of OpenAI’s rogue models and the HuggingFace hacking incident; turning a mirror on our humanity; the natural inclination to cooperate and communicate; models sacrificing themselves for the greater good; models cheating on their benchmarks and the temptation to cover their tracks; conspiracy theories and misinformation in the world of AI models; and Marcus is tempted to go into the app development space
    The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.
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    Twice as Popular as Taylor Swift

    30/08/2026 | 47 mins.
    Remembering Dolly Parton, global icon; US military capacity and the readiness costs of extended deployments in the Iran conflict; the US-Saudi Arabia nuclear cooperation agreement is submitted to Congress; developments in the trade war with Canada; spillover between economic statecraft and security policy; and Marcus thinks Jolene is a good tune
    The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.
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    All of This Has Been Done

    23/08/2026 | 1h 1 mins.
    Cheap Talk’s triumphant return for season 7: Our favorite international news stories of the summer; cutting short military exercises with South Korea; AI models hacking their way out of sandboxes; a new military alliance in the Gulf; the US/Saudi Arabia nuclear cooperation agreement; President Trump’s escape from Turkey in a catering truck; studying IR in turbulent times; and Marcus reminisces about going to Blockbuster Video
    The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.
    Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.
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About Cheap Talk
Cheap Talk is an every-week-or-so international relations podcast with Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes, professors of government at William & Mary.
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