Everything Electric Podcast

Welcome to a special live episode of the Everything Electric podcast, recorded right in the heart of Oxford Street thanks to  @renaultgroup .
 
This is a rare, unfiltered conversation with three of the most influential voices in clean energy and human behaviour: 
Greg Jackson (CEO, Octopus Energy) 
Rory Sutherland (Behavioural Science, Ogilvy) 
Robert Llewellyn (Fully Charged) 
We're living through a strange moment. Clean energy is advancing faster than ever… yet the global system still clings to fossil fuels, geopolitical instability, and outdated market rules. So what's really going on? 
 
In this episode, we explore: 
Why fossil fuels are fundamentally inefficient (and losing ground) 
The surprising psychology behind EV adoption (spoiler: it's not about saving the planet) 
How the UK's electricity pricing system is distorting costs 
The idea of an "energy pension" and how solar could deliver ~11% returns 
Why countries like China are racing ahead while others hesitate 
Standout moments: 
"Oil and gas are like an abusive partner… it's never going to be different." 
The "Château Pétrus" analogy that perfectly explains energy pricing 
Why petrol stations might soon look… completely outdated 
"You just plug it in like a phone. Shut up."
This conversation is about technology, economics, human behaviour, and what the future will actually feel like. Enjoy! 
 

00:00:00:00 Welcome and a little caveat! 
00:01:10 Ad Break 
00:01:32 Set the scene
00:05:20 Greg Jackson, Rory Sutherland & Robert Llewellyn 
00:07:00 Why? 
00:09:41 Robert Llewellyn on Efficiency and Internal Combustion Engines 
00:11:18 Rory Sutherland on EV Hostility 
00:16:14 The Energy Crisis and Fossil Fuel Industry "Audacity" - Greg Jackson 
00:20:53 Oil and Gas - an "Abusive Partner"?! 
00:22:56 Market Reform and the Future of BP and Shell 
00:28:10 Harm Reduction vs Perfectionism 
00:30:45 The Norwegian Paradox and Imported Emissions 
00:33:11 Marginal Pricing: The "Pint of Beer" Analogy 
00:34:31 Overcoming the Standard of Perfection in New Tech 
00:37:46 Greg Jackson's Three Magic Wishes for Energy Reform 
00:40:14 AI Data Centres and Localised Pricing 
00:43:46 The Perception and Politics of Electric Vehicles 
00:45:52 Behavioural Science: Social Copying and the Sigmoid Curve 
00:48:21 The IKEA Effect: Loyalty through Sunk Effort 
00:50:11 Induction Hobs and the Benefits of Electrification 
00:51:03 Reframing Clean Tech as an "Energy Pension" 00:53:08 Preppers and "Freedom Cars" in Texas 
00:54:39 The Success of Global EV Test Drives 
00:56:53 Micro-Mobility and the Quiet Streets of China 
01:00:08 Displacing Global Fossil Fuel Consumption 
01:03:03 Symbolic Action vs. Meaningful Energy Change 
01:04:45 Closing Remarks and Audience Farewell
 
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In this episode of the Everything Electric Podcast, Robert Llewellyn sits down with Professor Jan Rosenow, Professor of Energy and Climate Policy at Oxford University, to reveal why electricity currently only tells 20% of the global energy story.

They delve into tackling the "hidden 80%", the mobility and heating sectors still dominated by fossil fuels; and explore why our current system is "astonishingly inefficient," wasting two-thirds of all energy inputs as heat. Jan explains how shifting to electrification at scale could cut total global energy demand in half and tackles the biggest myths and milestones of the transition:

The Grid Threat: Why data centers pose a more significant regional challenge to the grid than 100 million electric vehicles.
Critical Materials: Is the world really running out of lithium, or are we entering an era of "urban mining" where 95-97% of battery materials can be recycled?
The China Factor: A look at the "mind-blowing" scale of solar adoption in China and the declining utilization of their coal plants.
Beyond Climate: Why electrification is now a primary lever for energy security and economic resilience in a volatile world.

From the efficiency of heat pumps to the emergence of industrial heat batteries , this episode connects the dots on what the next phase of the energy transition really looks like.  
 


00:00 A little error...

03:22 Fragile Fuel Systems and Global Crises

05:53 The Myth of North Sea Energy Security

07:44 The Colossal Scale of Global Oil Consumption

08:44 The 20/80 Rule: Why Electricity Isn't Everything

10:41 Efficiency: Why Electrification Halves Energy Use

12:47 China's Solar Revolution and Coal Reality

15:52 The Mindset of the New Generation of Engineers

18:51 Market Tipping Points: Cheaper, Faster, Lighter

22:26 Data Centers vs. EV Grid Impact

28:04 Raw Materials, Lithium Mining, and Circular Economies

34:02 SMRs, Fusion, and Carbon Capture: The Reality Check

41:41 Energiewende and Global Energy Access

48:14 The Next Big Thing: Industrial Heat Batteries

52:40 Domestic Advice: Batteries vs. Solar

 


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It's been a BIG month for battery EV sales, or has it? Imogen and Dan delve into the first set of sales statistics since the Oil Crisis began, display shock and awe at how ambitious Chinese OEMs are changing the structure of a historically conservative market, as well as examining a misinformation masterclass in the British press. 
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EVALANCHE - has the oil crisis really changed the landscape? https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dancaesar_cheaperbetterbatteryelectric-harrogate-cheltenham-activity-7447164741711454208-OUoq?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAJBSkEByrVwGDXepyipNa6eDY0nhj6qwV0
CHINESE AUTOMAKERS SPEND BILLIONS IN GERMANY - https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/automakers/ane-chinese-carakers-marketing-campaigns-germany-0406/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletter-ANEDontMiss-20260407
CHINESE AUTOMAKERS TIGHTEN GRIP ON UK SALES - https://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/chinese-brands-tighten-grip-uk-new-car-market-march-2026/
SMUG MODE - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dancaesar_cheaperbetterbatteryelectric-activity-7447896703661338625-Rf8q?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAJBSkEByrVwGDXepyipNa6eDY0nhj6qwV0 
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In this episode of the Everything Electric podcast, Robert is joined by fellow presenter Imogen Bhogal. What starts as a quick catch-up soon descends into a slightly unhinged conversation about the surprising return of the Freelander as an EV joint venture in China, the staggering energy demands of AI and data centres including battery systems measured in tens of gigawatt-hours that rival the power consumption of entire cities, and Robert's unexpected VW fandom...!
 
Links to stories: 
https://electrek.co/2026/03/31/freelander-suv-reborn-sharp-off-road-ev-images/ 
 
https://electrek.co/2026/03/30/toyotas-new-luxury-ev-china-receives-3100-orders-in-1-hour/ 
 
https://electrek.co/2026/03/27/used-ev-sales-boom-new-ev-sales-drop-28-percent-q1-2026/ 
 
https://electrek.co/2026/03/26/byd-recruits-james-bond-launch-new-longe-range-luxury-ev/ 
 
https://www.utilitydive.com/news/worlds-largest-grid-battery-part-of-google-xcel-energy-agreement/813793/ 
 
00:00 – Intro: A "First Best" Guest?! 
01:35 – Freelander Returns?! JLR's China EV Strategy 
13:55 – April Fools 
17:40 – The Rise of Mega-Batteries 
26:25 – Electric Trucks & 1.5MW Charging 
31:40 – The US EV Market: What's Really Happening? 
34:05 – Renewables vs. Politics 
37:40 – Are These "Dark Times" Temporary? 
41:25 – Upcoming Reviews: BYD & Volvo 
43:55 – Accidental VW Loyalty... 
48:25 – Everything Electric Harrogate Preview 
50:55 – Final Thoughts & What's Next
 
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Imogen & Dan run the rule over an automotive market in turm-oil. This week they take a closer look at the ups and downs of one of China's outstanding OEMs, reveal how those that are running vehicles fleets and spreadsheets win with EVs, and an unavoidable look at the Middle East market shakes. 
XPeng Sales Explode: https://cleantechnica.com/2026/01/02/xpeng-sales-rise-126-from-190068-to-429445/ 
XPENG's Scottish Dealership: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dancaesar_fromhowtowow-cheaperbetterbatteryelectric-activity-7440657769185243136-Xf_a?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAJBSkEByrVwGDXepyipNa6eDY0nhj6qwV0 
XPENG's Down Under Distributor Goes Under: https://thedriven.io/2026/03/24/xpengs-exclusive-australian-distributor-true-ev-placed-into-external-administration/ + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq1IN4umTI8 
FLEET CHEAT: https://vanfleetworld.co.uk/uk-fleets-can-slash-operating-costs-by-64-through-electrification-ey-finds/ 
OIL SHOCKS: https://thedriven.io/2026/03/24/electric-vehicles-will-steer-world-clear-of-oil-price-shock-twice-as-bad-as-the-1970s-birol/ 
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