The Rest Is Classified

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What was the first thing the President said after the September 11th attacks? Was 9/11 really a strategic failure? And, would Osama Bin Laden be happy with the post-9/11 world?

Listen as David and Gordon are joined by former acting CIA Director, Michael Morrell, the man who briefed the President on two of the most consequential moments in modern US history: 9/11 and the killing of Bin Laden.

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9/11 was the most devastating terrorist attack in history, but where did the plot come from? And when a freelance terrorist walks in with a plan to fly planes into American buildings, why did Osama Bin Laden almost say no?

Listen as David and Gordon begin their six-part exploration of how the 9/11 terror attacks came to pass, 25 years on.

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The Five Eyes is an intelligence alliance that has endured for decades. But can it survive Donald Trump in the White House?

Listen as David and Gordon are joined by Richard Kerbaj for the final instalment of their series exploring the tumultuous history of the Five Eyes intelligence sharing alliance.

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⁠⁠⁠The Secret History of the Five Eyes by Richard Kerbaj⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠The Defector by Richard Kerbaj⁠⁠⁠

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The Five Eyes are watching the world. But what happens when one eye is bigger than the other? And what happens when new threats emerge?

Listen as David and Gordon are joined again by author, journalist and filmmaker Richard Kerbaj, to explore the history of the Five Eyes intelligence sharing alliance.

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⁠⁠The Secret History of the Five Eyes by Richard Kerbaj⁠⁠

⁠⁠The Defector by Richard Kerbaj⁠⁠

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THE REST IS CLASSIFIED LIVE 2026 at The Rest Is Fest: Buy your tickets ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to see David and Gordon live on stage at London’s Southbank Centre on 4 September: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whats-on/the-rest-is-classified-live/⁠⁠⁠⁠

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An intelligence alliance established to spy on the Soviets during the Cold War. But will it be able to hold together under crisis?

David and Gordon are once again joined by journalist, author and filmmaker Richard Kerbaj, to explore the history of the Five Eyes intelligence sharing alliance.

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⁠The Secret History of the Five Eyes by Richard Kerbaj⁠

⁠The Defector by Richard Kerbaj⁠

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THE REST IS CLASSIFIED LIVE 2026 at The Rest Is Fest: Buy your tickets ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to see David and Gordon live on stage at London’s Southbank Centre on 4 September: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whats-on/the-rest-is-classified-live/⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Just go to ⁠⁠therestisclassified.com⁠ or join on Apple Podcasts.

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Video Editor: Joe Pettit

Social Producer: Emma Jackson

Assistant Producer: Alfie Rowe

Producer: Becki Hills

Head of History: Dom Johnson

Exec Producer: Tony Pastor
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