The Shizzio Show

Dream aka The Grime Journalist joins us for one of the deepest conversations about the history, culture and evolution of UK Grime.
From Jungle and Garage to Pirate Radio, Sublow and Grime, Dream takes us through his journey and gives his perspective on one of the biggest debates in UK music: who really invented Grime?
We talk about the early days of Wiley, Dizzee Rascal, Jon E Cash, Jammer, Pay As U Go, More Fire Crew, So Solid Crew, HLC and Lethal B, the transition from Garage into Grime, the importance of Pirate Radio and why Dream felt the culture was heading in the wrong direction.
Dream also opens up about his journey from East London school days to MCing, the birth of his identity as The Grime Journalist, going viral through football content, working with the Premier League, ghostwriting, writing Dubs and working with major artists.
We get into his work with Flowdan, who went on to win a Grammy, his relationship with DJ AG, Culture Clash, Will Smith, Rita Ora, Burna Boy and the incredible Dubplate stories behind the scenes.
And of course, we settle the big questions:
Who invented Grime?
Who named Grime?
Does Grime have to be 140 BPM?
Was Grime really born from Garage?
Who is the Godfather of Grime?
Who is the greatest Grime MC?
What are the greatest Grime instrumentals of all time?
Plus, Dream reveals details about his new album, gives his thoughts on Drill and AI, names his favourite Grime instrumentals and Pirate Radio sets, and finishes with a freestyle.
This is a conversation about Grime history from someone who was there.
🎙️ Dream aka The Grime Journalist

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Kevin Lyttle sits down with Shizzio for one of his most open and revealing conversations yet.
Best known around the world for the massive hit “Turn Me On,” Kevin takes us from his childhood in St. Vincent and the Grenadines to becoming a global superstar — and opens up about the parts of the journey that most people never heard.
He talks honestly about being bullied as a child, family struggles, finding his voice, working in customs, writing and recording “Turn Me On,” and the three years he spent pushing the song independently before it exploded worldwide.
But the story doesn't stop at success.
Kevin reveals what happened behind the scenes after “Turn Me On” became a global phenomenon — including record-label problems, money owed, ownership of the song, becoming a millionaire, the pressures of making his debut album, and why he ultimately decided he didn't need a major label.

CHAPTERS:
0:00 intro
1:22 Oi Oi out now! SHIZZIO x SPECIAL MC
1:55 Welcome Kevin Lyttle / still hungry
5:05 it’s still fun / no new friends / humble
6:56 Dj Iron & friends
8:29 born & raised
10:07 what is Island life like? / colourism
13:26 outside as a kid / TV
15:16 crossing the line / beats from mum
17:36 I got bullied a lot / school
19:04 parent beatings
21:50 kids wanna beat adults now
23:59 mums struggle made me sing
25:48 self taught singing
28:59 misunderstood
29:51 I don’t care what you think
32:26 writing / pivotal moments
34:02 held back in school
36:50 customs job
38:32 writing ‘Turn Me On’ / studio recording
43:20 soca reggae / ft on Turn Me On
44:37 I was sure about ‘Turn Me On’
45:22 intro high note on ‘Turn Me On’
48:37 ‘Turn Me On’ bridge & lyrical content
51:03 vocal range
54:00 what are you actually saying?
57:06 ‘Turn Me On’ starts blowing up
1:01:11 3yrs to push ‘Turn Me On’ independently
1:03:28 label deal / millions made / humble
1:04:34 song ownership details
1:06:22 becoming a millionaire / grounded lifestyle
1:09:18 song release / global chart success
1:12:55 label mistakes
1:14:00 global fame the good & bad side
1:18:06 fame highlights / Kanye West / Beyonce
1:19:28 having the bigger song / no ego
1:24:26 Spragga Benz on ‘Turn Me On’ Remix
1:26:56 album success pressure
1:28:42 musical direction issue
1:30:08 rush to make the album / forced
1:33:54 album success but I did not enjoy it
1:34:23 money owed / contract was bad
1:37:35 do you regret signing the deal?
1:38:35 being dropped from label
1:40:36 owed money / independent releases
1:41:10 biggest crossover song? / total views
1:42:11 I don’t need a label now
1:43:04 Shaggy collab
1:44:10 Flo Rida collab
1:45:27 Chris Brown used my song
1:46:35 Collie Buddz
1:47:41 uncleared samples / reggaeton
1:49:13 20 Million to sell the master
1:50:33 re recording ‘Turn Me On’
1:51:33 is ‘Turn Me On’ a gift or curse?
1:52:16 ‘Turn Me On’ will never die
1:52:35 one hit wonder?
1:54:41 new song ‘Island Ting’
1:58:25 ‘Turn Me On’ music video
1:59:13 new album? / social media today
2:01:51 thoughts on streaming
2:03:21 I’m good & happy
2:04:41 AI Q’s / ‘Turn Me On’
2:06:30 friends / regrets / tiktok
2:08:32 lies / cars
2:10:11 money made / quitting / artists
2:11:45 Rihanna / perspective
2:13:15 Caribbean music / Kanye West
2:17:24 best carnival in the world
2:18:04 Bertil Fox
2:19:37 Quick fire Q’s
2:25:28 final MSG

Fatima Whitbread sits down for one of the most honest and powerful conversations of her life.
From being abandoned and left for dead as a baby, growing up in the care system and surviving childhood abuse, to becoming an Olympic medallist, World Champion and world-record holder — Fatima's story is one of extraordinary resilience.

CHAPTERS:
0:00 intro
1:24 Streetlife out now Shizzio X UK Apache X Devlin
1:46 Welcome Fatima / icon from era of greats
4:17 table of accolades
5:18 born survivor / left for dead at birth
7:35 rescued as a baby / care system
8:27 mum being held accountable
11:10 I have forgiven my mum
12:47 being sexually abused / siblings
13:57 adoption was not allowed / love
15:23 reunited with mum for 1st time
18:20 name ‘Fatima’ origin
18:54 my mum didn’t want me
22:45 Auntie Ray / new care home
24:29 will you be my mummy?
26:46 vivid memories
26:57 care staff had no empathy / beatings
28:17 sent back with mum despite concerns
28:49 sexually abused when returned to mum
30:49 escaping sexual abuse at age 11 / aftermath
33:52 did mum ever get arrested?
35:57 meeting Mrs. Whitbread / 1st Javelin
43:02 Mrs Whitbread took me in
45:34 kids book to help understanding
46:19 law changes in adoption / new mum & family
47:57 taking Javelin seriously
49:31 why the javelin?
52:16 family love / javelin main focus
53:10 I was the 1st / world record holder
54:28 silver medal made me stronger
56:01 talent vs time / Mt Everest climb
56:54 this Brit came and broke the world record
58:58 breaking my own world record
1:00:19 UK hero / handling fame
1:02:40 sports pers of the year / gold medal
1:06:13 introducing Javelin to the UK
1:06:59 better than men / Steve Backley
1:08:23 press found my bio mum / book breakdown
1:11:11 telling my story cost me the gold medal / campaign
1:13:21 suffering from a breakdown / silver medal
1:16:43 are medals real? antiques road show
1:18:12 other events? / back fracture
1:19:09 make money? / female with muscles bad press
1:20:06 equal pay / motivation / money made & spent
1:23:21 sticker shown / TV shows & ads
1:24:45 household name / national treasure
1:25:17 MBE award
1:26:23 I danced with Michael Jackson!
1:27:37 singing with Shirley Bassey / Monaco
1:28:31 Auntie Ray relationship
1:29:14 injury forces retirement
1:31:51 reality TV saved me
1:32:37 I’m a celebrity get me out of here
1:34:17 eating trial I’m a celeb
1:35:05 viral stuck cockroach on I’m a celeb
1:38:06 going back to I’m a celeb / David Haye
1:39:19 celebrity SAS / I still train / Mt climbing
1:42:58 Fatima’s campaign to improve the care system
1:46:09 government & society help for care system
1:48:19 changes needed in the care system
1:50:32 what happened with biological mum?
1:50:55 becoming a mum / breaking the cycle
1:52:20 do you really forgive your bio mum?
1:53:57 are you a person of god?
1:55:26 do you feel British? / religion
1:56:19 AI Q’s / finding dad
1:57:47 mum / siblings / family
1:59:52 trauma / regrets / healing
2:01:19 CS failures / confronting
2:02:22 family vs titles / Maggie Thatcher
2:03:48 Tessa Sanderson beef
2:05:59 my world record is still unbeaten
2:08:50 best athletes of all time
2:10:06 athletes then Vs now
2:11:38 Olympics in Stratford
2:12:03 cockroach will outlive Gold medals
2:12:46 Quick fire Q’s
2:13:45 private dinner with the queen
2:15:07 quick fire Q’s cont…
2:19:40 Fatima Whitbread movie?
2:21:34 quick fire Q’s cont…
2:25:44 final msg / thank you

Jon B sits down for a powerful and revealing conversation about 30 years of R&B, the making of classic records, 2Pac, Babyface, Michael Jackson, the music industry, and the stories behind some of his biggest moments.
From growing up on the East and West Coast to discovering his voice through gospel, building his own demos, and eventually meeting Babyface and Motown, Jon B. takes us through the journey that turned him into one of the most recognizable R&B voices of the 1990s.
He opens up about being a white artist making R&B at a time when that came with serious challenges, his collaborations with Toni Braxton, Color Me Badd, After 7 and TLC, and the pressure that came with becoming a Grammy-nominated artist.
But the conversation goes even deeper.
Jon B. tells the story of meeting 2Pac, getting into the studio with him, and making “Are U Still Down?” He discusses the complications surrounding the record, Suge Knight, his relationship with Afeni Shakur and Mopreme Shakur, and what it was really like working with 2Pac.

CHAPTERS:

0:00 Intro
1:31 Oi Oi out now! SHIZZIO x SPECIAL MC
1:56 Welcome Jon B / Thank you
3:37 London
4:19 Born & raised / East & West Coast
6:26 Outside as a kid / Rough area?
9:15 No-go areas
10:53 School was not for me
12:35 School invited me back to honour me
13:35 Joining gospel choir
15:13 Always wanted to be a singer / Talent shows
17:15 Shopping record deal
18:06 Forming a music group / Self-made demo
19:00 God-given talent or self-taught?
19:59 Tunnel vision / Shopping demo
21:53 Motown Records meeting
23:02 Meeting Babyface
25:33 Babyface vs Motown
27:08 Tommy Mottola & Mariah Carey
27:42 Label deal / Money made
29:02 I didn’t want to be famous
29:39 White guy doing Black music
31:55 I was the 1st white R&B singer
32:25 Getting the name Jon B
33:17 Toni Braxton collab
35:22 Producer vs Artist
36:08 Color Me Badd collab
36:37 After 7 collab
38:13 TLC collab / Lisa “Left Eye” Lopes
39:26 Debut album / Grammys / Celebs meeting
41:04 Ego control
42:29 Date setups with girls / PR game
43:08 Grammy nominated / Babyface duet
43:31 White Boy Wednesday / Facing bullies
45:25 2nd album vs 1st album
47:11 Making ‘They Don’t Know’
51:08 1st single is ‘Don’t Say’
54:05 Meeting 2Pac for the 1st time
56:18 Studio with 2Pac / Are You Still Down?
58:45 Babyface or 2Pac
59:05 2Pac Are You Still Down Pt. 2
1:00:00 ‘They Don’t Know’ & ‘Are You Still Down?’ double release
1:03:22 Suge Knight tried to stop ‘Are You Still Down?’
1:04:35 2Pac’s mum made it possible
1:05:03 Relationship with Afeni & Mopreme Shakur
1:07:03 2Pac is not alive
1:07:42 Double release of ‘They Don’t Know’ & ‘Are You Still Down?’
1:08:21 Success / Tour / ‘I Do’ song
1:09:44 Spending
1:10:37 Ideal collaborations
1:11:15 Nas collab
1:12:33 Mos Def / ODB / Scarface / Jamaica
1:14:00 R&B & Rap merge
1:15:06 R&B landscape changes
1:16:26 ‘Don’t Talk’ smash record
1:19:45 Beenie Man / Sly & Robbie
1:21:09 Expanding musical palette
1:21:59 Best feature?
1:22:41 Does 2Pac collab overshadow you?
1:23:08 The Weeknd just sampled me
1:23:39 ‘They Don’t Know’ 30-year classic
1:24:06 R&B then vs now / Chris Brown
1:27:18 Reuniting with Babyface
1:28:31 Social media today
1:29:30 New album out now!
1:30:17 Rick Ross collab
1:32:41 Independent / Chasing success
1:35:18 Michael Jackson collab
1:36:52 Meeting Michael Jackson
1:37:59 Thoughts on MJ movie?
1:38:41 Thank you Jon B / Flowers

MC Divine finally tells the full story behind one of the biggest UK Garage records ever made – Baby Cakes.
From growing up in East London and discovering garage music, to forming 3 Of A Kind, landing a £350,000 record deal, hitting UK No.1, beating Kanye West's Jesus Walks in the charts, touring the world, losing money, label battles, and revealing why the group eventually split, this is the most in-depth MC Divine interview to date.
We also discuss:
• The making of Baby Cakes
• The truth behind the £100 million claim
• The 3 Of A Kind story
• UK Garage history
• So Solid, radio and pirate stations
• Fame, money and record contracts
• Ringtone sales and royalties
• Why there was never a follow-up hit
• Lil Uzi Vert & Pink Pantheress sampling Baby Cakes
• AI, TikTok and the future of UK Garage

Chapters:

0:00 intro / title sequence
1:24 Local Geeza Out now! Shizzio X Mc Creed X Big Narstie
1:57 Welcome MC Divine / Platinum selling
4:15 born & bred east / outside
6:37 chicken scratching / blood brothers
8:41 family / shotting
10:18 school / fights / school change
15:21 parents / football
18:37 Garage music was everything
20:08 starting to MC / practice
22:29 MC in public / wasn’t brave enough
28:11 radio show
30:10 hit in Sweden / visit
36:06 So Solid / UK PA’s & lack of support
38:17 making BABY CAKES / forming 3 of a kind
44:09 the engineer really helped Baby Cakes
45:21 I knew Baby Cakes was a hit! / group name
46:32 Vinyl pushing the song / friends help
48:59 friends were robbing me from sales
50:37 Baby Cakes starts blowing up
52:36 money lost / PA for free?
54:03 it took a year to grow / lone solider
55:45 record label deal details
59:47 80k to turn car around! / Label bid war
1:01:50 350k deal / spending
1:04:58 tours / radio
1:06:03 pop star feeling
1:07:12 other big garage songs
1:08:12 Baby Cakes goes No 1
1:10:42 top of the pops
1:12:17 we beat Kanye West Jesus Walks to No 1
1:13:01 fame didn’t sink in / Bruce Forsyth
1:14:30 lazy artwork cover
1:17:17 music video thoughts
1:21:15 music video explodes
1:22:07 charted for years / money made
1:23:57 crazy spending
1:26:19 enjoy it / 1 hit wonder?
1:27:11 breaking Europe
1:30:01 ego / hate / negativity
1:31:57 Baby Cakes cheesy? / hate
1:34:32 ringtone sales! / Millions made
1:37:16 contract awareness
1:38:09 Baby Cakes made over £100 Million!
1:38:33 I still sign deals for Baby Cakes
1:39:17 Baby Cakes in Tv and movies
1:40:53 why no follow up record?
1:43:28 group split / what happened?
1:44:31 Baby cakes was a moment
1:44:47 new gen singing Babycakes / 02
1:46:02 Lil Uzi Vert & Pink Pantheress remix / Playboy Carti
1:47:43 Baby cakes will always be sampled / money
1:48:32 relationship with the group / we don’t talk
1:50:21 who PA’s the song if you don’t all talk?
1:51:29 success / I kept Baby cakes alive
1:52:19 Baby Cakes means so much to people
1:52:59 is Baby Cakes the biggest garage song ever?
1:54:01 its ‘WE’ not ‘I’
1:55:07 Baby Cakes new version?
1:57:51 new music / DnB
1:58:57 Garage music is big again
1:59:58 tiktok era / handling social media
2:02:16 AI Q’s
2:10:48 Why no Grime music? / Who started Grime?
2:13:48 quick fire Q’s
2:16:03 I spent 40k in a bar
2:16:52 quick fire Q cont..
2:17:07 chilling with 50 cent & Beyonce
2:17:49 quick fire Q’s cont..
2:19:14 final msg / Thank you