The Shizzio Show

Jon B sits down for a powerful and revealing conversation about 30 years of R&B, the making of classic records, 2Pac, Babyface, Michael Jackson, the music industry, and the stories behind some of his biggest moments.
From growing up on the East and West Coast to discovering his voice through gospel, building his own demos, and eventually meeting Babyface and Motown, Jon B. takes us through the journey that turned him into one of the most recognizable R&B voices of the 1990s.
He opens up about being a white artist making R&B at a time when that came with serious challenges, his collaborations with Toni Braxton, Color Me Badd, After 7 and TLC, and the pressure that came with becoming a Grammy-nominated artist.
But the conversation goes even deeper.
Jon B. tells the story of meeting 2Pac, getting into the studio with him, and making “Are U Still Down?” He discusses the complications surrounding the record, Suge Knight, his relationship with Afeni Shakur and Mopreme Shakur, and what it was really like working with 2Pac.

CHAPTERS:

0:00 Intro
1:31 Oi Oi out now! SHIZZIO x SPECIAL MC
1:56 Welcome Jon B / Thank you
3:37 London
4:19 Born & raised / East & West Coast
6:26 Outside as a kid / Rough area?
9:15 No-go areas
10:53 School was not for me
12:35 School invited me back to honour me
13:35 Joining gospel choir
15:13 Always wanted to be a singer / Talent shows
17:15 Shopping record deal
18:06 Forming a music group / Self-made demo
19:00 God-given talent or self-taught?
19:59 Tunnel vision / Shopping demo
21:53 Motown Records meeting
23:02 Meeting Babyface
25:33 Babyface vs Motown
27:08 Tommy Mottola & Mariah Carey
27:42 Label deal / Money made
29:02 I didn’t want to be famous
29:39 White guy doing Black music
31:55 I was the 1st white R&B singer
32:25 Getting the name Jon B
33:17 Toni Braxton collab
35:22 Producer vs Artist
36:08 Color Me Badd collab
36:37 After 7 collab
38:13 TLC collab / Lisa “Left Eye” Lopes
39:26 Debut album / Grammys / Celebs meeting
41:04 Ego control
42:29 Date setups with girls / PR game
43:08 Grammy nominated / Babyface duet
43:31 White Boy Wednesday / Facing bullies
45:25 2nd album vs 1st album
47:11 Making ‘They Don’t Know’
51:08 1st single is ‘Don’t Say’
54:05 Meeting 2Pac for the 1st time
56:18 Studio with 2Pac / Are You Still Down?
58:45 Babyface or 2Pac
59:05 2Pac Are You Still Down Pt. 2
1:00:00 ‘They Don’t Know’ & ‘Are You Still Down?’ double release
1:03:22 Suge Knight tried to stop ‘Are You Still Down?’
1:04:35 2Pac’s mum made it possible
1:05:03 Relationship with Afeni & Mopreme Shakur
1:07:03 2Pac is not alive
1:07:42 Double release of ‘They Don’t Know’ & ‘Are You Still Down?’
1:08:21 Success / Tour / ‘I Do’ song
1:09:44 Spending
1:10:37 Ideal collaborations
1:11:15 Nas collab
1:12:33 Mos Def / ODB / Scarface / Jamaica
1:14:00 R&B & Rap merge
1:15:06 R&B landscape changes
1:16:26 ‘Don’t Talk’ smash record
1:19:45 Beenie Man / Sly & Robbie
1:21:09 Expanding musical palette
1:21:59 Best feature?
1:22:41 Does 2Pac collab overshadow you?
1:23:08 The Weeknd just sampled me
1:23:39 ‘They Don’t Know’ 30-year classic
1:24:06 R&B then vs now / Chris Brown
1:27:18 Reuniting with Babyface
1:28:31 Social media today
1:29:30 New album out now!
1:30:17 Rick Ross collab
1:32:41 Independent / Chasing success
1:35:18 Michael Jackson collab
1:36:52 Meeting Michael Jackson
1:37:59 Thoughts on MJ movie?
1:38:41 Thank you Jon B / Flowers

MC Divine finally tells the full story behind one of the biggest UK Garage records ever made – Baby Cakes.
From growing up in East London and discovering garage music, to forming 3 Of A Kind, landing a £350,000 record deal, hitting UK No.1, beating Kanye West's Jesus Walks in the charts, touring the world, losing money, label battles, and revealing why the group eventually split, this is the most in-depth MC Divine interview to date.
We also discuss:
• The making of Baby Cakes
• The truth behind the £100 million claim
• The 3 Of A Kind story
• UK Garage history
• So Solid, radio and pirate stations
• Fame, money and record contracts
• Ringtone sales and royalties
• Why there was never a follow-up hit
• Lil Uzi Vert & Pink Pantheress sampling Baby Cakes
• AI, TikTok and the future of UK Garage

Chapters:

0:00 intro / title sequence
1:24 Local Geeza Out now! Shizzio X Mc Creed X Big Narstie
1:57 Welcome MC Divine / Platinum selling
4:15 born & bred east / outside
6:37 chicken scratching / blood brothers
8:41 family / shotting
10:18 school / fights / school change
15:21 parents / football
18:37 Garage music was everything
20:08 starting to MC / practice
22:29 MC in public / wasn’t brave enough
28:11 radio show
30:10 hit in Sweden / visit
36:06 So Solid / UK PA’s & lack of support
38:17 making BABY CAKES / forming 3 of a kind
44:09 the engineer really helped Baby Cakes
45:21 I knew Baby Cakes was a hit! / group name
46:32 Vinyl pushing the song / friends help
48:59 friends were robbing me from sales
50:37 Baby Cakes starts blowing up
52:36 money lost / PA for free?
54:03 it took a year to grow / lone solider
55:45 record label deal details
59:47 80k to turn car around! / Label bid war
1:01:50 350k deal / spending
1:04:58 tours / radio
1:06:03 pop star feeling
1:07:12 other big garage songs
1:08:12 Baby Cakes goes No 1
1:10:42 top of the pops
1:12:17 we beat Kanye West Jesus Walks to No 1
1:13:01 fame didn’t sink in / Bruce Forsyth
1:14:30 lazy artwork cover
1:17:17 music video thoughts
1:21:15 music video explodes
1:22:07 charted for years / money made
1:23:57 crazy spending
1:26:19 enjoy it / 1 hit wonder?
1:27:11 breaking Europe
1:30:01 ego / hate / negativity
1:31:57 Baby Cakes cheesy? / hate
1:34:32 ringtone sales! / Millions made
1:37:16 contract awareness
1:38:09 Baby Cakes made over £100 Million!
1:38:33 I still sign deals for Baby Cakes
1:39:17 Baby Cakes in Tv and movies
1:40:53 why no follow up record?
1:43:28 group split / what happened?
1:44:31 Baby cakes was a moment
1:44:47 new gen singing Babycakes / 02
1:46:02 Lil Uzi Vert & Pink Pantheress remix / Playboy Carti
1:47:43 Baby cakes will always be sampled / money
1:48:32 relationship with the group / we don’t talk
1:50:21 who PA’s the song if you don’t all talk?
1:51:29 success / I kept Baby cakes alive
1:52:19 Baby Cakes means so much to people
1:52:59 is Baby Cakes the biggest garage song ever?
1:54:01 its ‘WE’ not ‘I’
1:55:07 Baby Cakes new version?
1:57:51 new music / DnB
1:58:57 Garage music is big again
1:59:58 tiktok era / handling social media
2:02:16 AI Q’s
2:10:48 Why no Grime music? / Who started Grime?
2:13:48 quick fire Q’s
2:16:03 I spent 40k in a bar
2:16:52 quick fire Q cont..
2:17:07 chilling with 50 cent & Beyonce
2:17:49 quick fire Q’s cont..
2:19:14 final msg / Thank you

Katie Salmon sits down for one of her most revealing interviews yet.
From growing up in a difficult home environment, struggling with mental health, and entering the world of glamour modelling, Katie opens up about the highs and lows of fame.
She reveals the truth behind her time on Love Island, becoming part of the show's first same-sex couple, the reality of instant fame, and why she believes reality TV comes with hidden pressures.

Chapters:

0:00 intro / title sequence
1:46 Drive Out now! Shizzio Ft Vivica Jade
2:26 Welcome Katie
3:56 plastic scouser
5:20 raised in toxic household
8:08 do you forgive your dad?
9:14 relationship with mum
9:53 growing up poor
10:23 Purple Aki
12:15 school / bullied / drinking young
14:27 mental health struggles
15:55 drug taking from 15 yrs old
17:01 left school at 16 / glamour model dreams
18:09 boyfriend 10 yrs older
20:52 getting into glamour modelling
22:09 1st glamour shoot / insecurities
24:39 being published / parents
25:04 dad / we need men in society
25:47 feminism is toxic
27:21 elite control / men & women roles
28:26 feminism has done nothing for society
29:10 scary world / daughter worry / cycle break
30:18 being a single career driven mother
31:48 money / viral at Cheltenham races
34:20 Love Island offer & plan
36:21 Love Island manifestation / gods plan
38:58 about to go on Love Island
39:55 pay / going into Love Island house
41:04 Scott Thomas / Wayne Lineker
42:23 Is Love Island fixed?
44:04 the L.I lie detector is fake!
45:10 1st ever same sex coupling on L.I
49:00 Is Love Island really about Love?
50:35 having sex on tv / L.I exploits you
51:20 Love Island exploits you
52:30 do you regret Love Island?
54:00 leaving Love Island to instant fame
55:38 the press used me to sell sex
56:21 famous but broke
57:11 I puked on AKON / celeb rooms
58:14 the dark side of fame / fame decline
1:00:02 do not go on Love Island!
1:01:17 Sophie suicide / lack of mental health support
1:02:25 did Love Island cause Sophie suicide?
1:02:48 Caroline Flack suicide / Axe Love Island?
1:05:28 watching Love Island makes me uncomfortable
1:06:30 starting only fans / Chloe Khan
1:08:10 I made 10k on the first night on OF
1:09:34 50k a month / top 1% on OF
1:10:27 spending / all OF girls feel shame
1:12:47 £1M+ earnt / pushing OF limits
1:14:04 10k for 1 vid / exploiting men on OF
1:16:07 my baby’s dad got me into p**n
1:19:55 money waste regrets
1:22:10 falling pregnant changed everything
1:25:20 early labour / quitting OF
1:26:31 baby dad passes away / he used me
1:30:17 I found Jesus
1:32:18 Ayahuasca is bad for you
1:33:46 baptised / born again Christian
1:35:39 there is a war against humanity
1:37:08 repent / I’m a different person
1:38:05 Christianity mocked / is UK Christian?
1:39:57 restoring faith / distraction
1:41:55 other religions
1:43:25 Jesus is God and he will return
1:46:41 recent assault GBH case
1:48:35 charged with GBH
1:49:52 avoiding jail / press turning on you
1:50:45 lost faith in justice system
1:52:18 silenced for 5yr judge order
1:53:46 facing prison / community service
1:57:16 house of faith charity / im happy
1:59:58 satan runs the industry / never return
2:00:32 ban OF / msg to OF content creators
2:01:04 AI Q’s / love island Q’s
2:02:05 lies / fame / regret
2:06:18 quick fire Q’s / dating
2:08:30 misfits boxing?
2:09:14 quick fire Q cont…
2:11:17 final msg / thank you

Mike GLC sits down for his most in-depth interview yet, covering a life that spans childhood trauma, the UK care system, street life, prison, music, entrepreneurship, the rise of UK rap, Dubplate Drama, the Tulisa case, and his latest comic book venture.
From growing up in Wood Green, losing family members, experiencing abuse and racism in care, and living a criminal lifestyle, to building one of the UK's biggest independent street CD distribution networks, Mike shares the highs, lows and lessons that shaped him.

Chapters:

0:00 Intro
1:53 Streetlife Out Now – Shizzio X UK Apache X Devlin
2:15 Welcome Mike GLC / Location Awareness
6:13 Born & Bred / Wood Green vs Tottenham Beef
8:18 Parents / Uncle's Murder / Abuse
10:57 Going into Care / Racism / Hierarchy
14:49 Feeling Loved? / Facing Abuse
17:34 Fights / School / Subjugation
21:20 Intelligence Origin
22:45 Connecting & Living with Dad
24:46 I Pulled a Knife on My Dad
25:55 Criminal Lifestyle Money
27:54 Do You Regret Your Criminal Past? / Karma
28:19 Street Life Is an Idiot Thing
31:34 Prison / Mum's Passing Changes Outlook
36:03 I Took My Shotgun to Raves
36:49 Finding Myself in Loss / The Force
37:50 Musical Influence / LL Cool J
39:45 Lyric Writing
40:43 1st Song / Lemar / UK Rap Accent
45:47 Mike GLC Name Origin / Rap Timing
46:37 Arrest / Label Offer
48:19 Own Agency / Tour / DJ Spoony
55:51 Rap over Garage / Money in Conversion
58:53 I've Never Had a Record Deal
1:00:02 Biggest UK Street Team Distribution
1:03:26 Manufacturing over Music / Distributing UK Music
1:06:40 Business Mindset
1:07:04 Total CDs Sold on the Street
1:08:41 Money Made from Selling CDs
1:10:11 Unrecorded Sales, So No Chart Success
1:11:29 I Created an Ecosystem / Short-Lived
1:12:45 Selling in Unsellable Places
1:14:35 Money vs Artist / Anti-Industry
1:15:56 Distribution for Other Artists
1:16:33 Grime Had No Value for Me
1:18:34 Spotify Playlists Killed the Game
1:19:15 Gun Charge / Survival
1:20:42 I Had London on Lock!
1:22:03 Money Spending
1:22:24 Beginning of the End for CD Sales
1:23:08 I Still Make Music Money / Art 1st
1:24:40 Break / Dubplate Drama
1:29:32 Dubplate Drama Movie Betrayal
1:30:48 Why Did Dubplate Drama End? / Top Boy
1:31:48 Michael Ward / Female Allegations
1:34:36 Men Are P Clowns / Fame vs Females
1:37:26 Tulisa Incident / Entrapment
1:38:59 Tulisa Drug Scandal News Breaks
1:43:20 Fallout with Tulisa / She Never Called Me
1:47:27 I Go Guilty / Case Collapse
1:49:41 No Compensation / I Kept Tulisa Out of Jail
1:52:47 I Haven't Spoken to Tulisa / Aftermath
1:53:20 New Comic Art Project
1:56:31 'The Grow' Comic / Production Stages
2:02:23 AI in Comics
2:03:11 Comic Release / Merch
2:06:19 Forbidden Planet / Comic Market
2:06:47 I'm a Nerd / Comic IP
2:09:38 My Last Album / Future Plans
2:11:40 Energy Return
2:12:50 Young Spray
2:14:56 Mike GLC Own Podcast?
2:15:16 AI Q's / Tulisa
2:17:23 Mount Rushmore
2:18:02 AI Q's Cont…
2:19:27 Quick Fire Q's
2:22:51 Final Message / Thank You

Afro B joins us for one of his most honest and in-depth interviews ever.
From growing up in South London to creating the global smash Joanna (Drogba), Afro B breaks down the real story behind one of the biggest Afrobeats records of all time. We discuss the origins of Afrobeats in the UK, his journey from DJ to international artist, working retail at Next while chasing music, building a career independently, and what happened after worldwide fame.

Chapters:
0:00 intro / title sequence
1:17 Local Geeza Out now! Shizzio X Mc Creed X Big Narstie
1:50 Welcome Afro B / crew / World Cup
4:11 born & bred
5:25 happy slaps
6:25 outside as a kid / gang culture
7:33 nutmeg rush
8:52 avoiding madness / local gangs
10:53 music from young / quit producing
12:41 strict parent beats
14:35 school
16:27 being musical from young
19:06 Afro Beats origin
20:59 where did Afro Beats start from?
23:25 Afro Beats influence / Djing Afro Beats
25:50 Afro B came from Afro Beats
26:35 where did Afro Beats name come from?
29:20 1st song release / singing on tracks
31:39 PT job at Next / £20 gigs
32:53 dropping songs / Uni
34:32 Artist Vs DJ
35:15 1st UK Afro Beats artist?
36:17 seeing Afro Beats grow in the UK
37:09 when did Afro Beats land? / Afro swing
38:43 moving with times / Tion Wayne collab
40:16 getting bigger / audience swap
42:13 landing as an artist / radio
43:31 UK Drill takes over from Afro Swing
43:31 Afro Beats Africa Vs UK / reading trends
44:44 Making Joanna Drogba
46:40 who is Joanna?
47:28 writing Joanna took 15 mins!
48:25 GOAL!
50:06 posting Drogba Joanna snippets
50:38 why Drogba?
51:43 Drogba posts the song
52:45 Drogba dance challenge / Radio show
56:30 NY / Funk Flex
59:22 introducing Afro Beats to USA / GOAL
1:01:19 USA success / no major label
1:02:51 Summer Jam / money
1:04:05 Shaq O'Neil remix
1:04:55 celeb co-signs / 50 Cent / Beyonce
1:05:57 money made / reinvesting
1:08:19 French Montana / Global remixes
1:09:20 globally wanted / no ego
1:10:37 end of Ivory Coast World Cup match
1:13:09 1B+ total views for Joanna
1:13:32 ideal remix collab
1:14:17 handling global fame
1:15:05 follow up record pressure
1:15:43 selling the song
1:18:24 Joanna Drogba ownership % / selling
1:19:39 trying to beat Drogba / covid / T-Pain collab
1:22:12 T-Pain collab details
1:23:04 independent artist always
1:25:36 lack of consistency / Vybz Kartel collab
1:27:41 British artist? / respect on your name
1:30:15 Ashanti collab
1:32:26 no manager / in-house team
1:34:21 working the world's audience
1:36:14 UK audience VS the world
1:38:17 does the UK hate? / Central Cee
1:41:22 new project / Album VS EP
1:43:45 we invented Twerking
1:45:51 British colonisation
1:46:41 first single release / no feats
1:48:06 evolving sounds
1:49:34 album EP release / new music
1:51:03 Capital Xtra radio show
1:51:29 Afro Beats Mount Rushmore
1:52:33 constant videos / algorithm
1:54:38 AI Q's / Chris Brown collab
1:55:34 collab list / humble
1:57:35 Drogba blessing or curse?
1:58:46 total money made from Joanna
2:00:51 Rihanna aired me
2:01:41 respect
2:02:25 biggest regret
2:03:15 I got sampled without clearance
2:04:43 politics / choices
2:06:10 Air Force 1 supply
2:08:14 inner circle / trends
2:09:08 why is Bhangra not like Afro Beats?
2:13:27 labels / TikTok era
2:13:25 quick fire Q's
2:15:57 meeting Drogba for dinner
2:16:42 quick fire Q's
2:19:42 final message / thank you