I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin

Before her brother Eden was murdered, Jessica Brown was already fighting for social change. She had dedicated her career to helping disadvantaged girls, giving them a chance to break the cycle of destitution and abuse through mentoring, education and crisis intervention.
Then Edan was killed, and everything she thought she understood about violence, loss and justice suddenly became very personal.
In this episode of I Catch Killers, Jessica takes us inside her fight for change through her work with Sister to Sister, Warrior Women, and the NSW Serious Offenders Review Council.
But that's not all. As you'll know if you're a regular listener of the podcast, Anthony Jones, the man who murdered Eden, has been released from prison.
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On what seemed like an ordinary day, Jessica Brown was driving to her parents' house for lunch when her world was shattered, her brother Edan had been stabbed to death.
If you're a regular listener of I Catch Killers, you’ll recall one of the most confronting conversations ever on this show, the moment Gary sat face to face with Anthony Jones, the man who took Edan's life. But that was only half the story.
Now, we hear the other side of the story.
In this episode, Jessica opens up about what it truly means to survive the murder of someone you love, the grief that never fully leaves, the moments that break you, and the extraordinary strength it takes to rebuild. She also shares how she transformed unimaginable pain into purpose.
Listen to Anthony Jones on I Catch Killers here.
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In part two of this conversation, former SAS soldier and Survivor winner Mark Wales returns to I Catch Killers for a raw and honest discussion. Mark opens up about surviving childhood sexual abuse and the difficult decision to pursue justice decades later, the mental toll of war and elite military service, and how he rebuilt his life through business school, boxing, reality TV, and writing.
Gary and Mark also dig into some big-picture issues: the case for national service, escalating global conflicts in the Middle East, Russia-Ukraine and the Indo-Pacific, the changing face of modern warfare, and the rise of extremism in the social media age. Mark shares hard-won lessons on leadership and resilience from his book Mission Ready, drawing on his experience in Special Forces and top-tier business environments.
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Mark Wales joined the military as a wide-eyed 17-year-old recruit, and quickly rose through the ranks, eventually leading one of Australia's most elite special forces troops in some of the most dangerous combat environments on earth. He saw the war in Afghanistan evolve from targeted counter-terrorism into something far more complicated, and ultimately, far less certain.
In this episode of I Catch Killers, Mark opens up about what it takes to earn a place in the SAS, the psychological toll of repeated deployments, and how he watched the Afghan war slowly lose its sense of purpose from the inside. Mark speaks candidly about kill lists, mission creep, the counterinsurgency strategies that were doomed before they started, and the moment he knew the war was effectively over… long before the politicians admitted it. Gary and Mark also tackle the recent war crimes allegations, the complex environment that shaped those events, the chain of command responsibility that rarely gets discussed, and why, no matter how it unfolds, almost nobody comes out of this saga looking good.
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Between 2010 and 2017, eight men vanished from Toronto's gay village. The man responsible was hiding in plain sight, a landscape gardener who moonlighted as a shopping centre Santa Claus.
In part two of his chat with Gary, former Toronto Homicide Inspector Hank Idsinga reveals the full story behind the Bruce McArthur serial killer investigation. From a tip about cannibalism on the dark web, to dismembered victims discovered inside backyard garden planters, this is one of the most disturbing cases in Canadian criminal history. Hank also reveals how his team arrived just in time to save the life of what would have been victim number nine.
In this episode of I Catch Killers, Hank also opens up about commanding the homicide response to the 2018 Toronto van attack, a mass murder scene stretching two and a half kilometres, and what it truly takes to make the right calls when lives are on the line.
Hank is also the author of The High Road, a behind-the-scenes account of his career inside the Toronto Police Service.
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