I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin

Is the ‘tough on crime approach’ working to keep people safe?
In this episode of I Catch Killers, Gary is joined by two men from opposite sides of the law who have arrived at the same radical conclusion - the justice system is broken for everyone.
Dr Vince Hurley is a former Detective turned academic, and Claude Robinson is a former heroin addict and prisoner who now runs Rainbow Lodge, a residential center helping high-risk men transition from prison back into society. Together, they challenge everything we think we know about the justice system.
This episode contains descriptions of men’s violence against women. If you or anyone you know needs support or information, contact 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732.
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What are the steps a lone actor takes when preparing a violent attack? Can they be stopped?
In Part 2 of forensic psychologist turned detective Ian Cherrington’s chat with Gary Jubelin on I Catch Killers, Ian unpacks warning signs and ‘leakage’ that suggest planning is underway.
Ian shares practical ways to support people showing early extremist views, and explains how lone actors differ from the ‘sovereign citizen’ movement.
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As a teenager, Ian Cherrington became fascinated by the psychology of serial killers - a fascination that would shape his entire career. He began as a forensic psychologist studying the minds of serial killers before making an unconventional leap into frontline policing as a detective in the UK. After years investigating homicides and linking crimes across the country, Ian transitioned into counter-terrorism and lone actor threat assessment, positioning himself at the cutting edge of one of modern policing's most pressing challenges.
In Part 1 of his conversation with Gary Jubelin on I Catch Killers, Ian recounts the harrowing case of Robert Black, a paedophile and child killer whose crimes became the catalyst for Ian's decision to join the police. Ian also unpacks the critical psychological differences between serial killers and lone actors.
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After 40 years of silence, former sex crimes detective Graeme Simpfendorfer confronted the man he says abused him in a recorded phone call.
In part two of his powerful conversation with Gary Jubelin on I Catch Killers, Graeme opens up about the anxiety of giving a police statement, a process he’d navigated countless times professionally, but never as a victim survivor, and takes us inside the harrowing years-long fight for justice.
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This interview was recorded before Graeme's case went to trial. In the time since this recording, Graeme's specific case went to court and resulted in an acquittal. However, the same individual also faced trials over a number of other historical sexual offences against children. The defendant pleaded not guilty to all charges and has maintained his innocence throughout. While he was found guilty of sexual offences relating to four victims, the defendant continues to maintain his innocence and has filed a motion to appeal those convictions.
Listen to Graeme's previous interview on I Catch Killers here: Part 1 & Part 2
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Graeme Simpfendorfer spent 27 years in the Victoria Police, leading elite squads in Homicide and Sexual Offences. He was a veteran detective catching predators until a training lecture on grooming behaviours unlocked a trauma he had suppressed for decades. Graeme realised that as a teenager, he had been the victim of the very crimes he spent his professional life investigating.
In this episode, Gary and Graeme discuss the "war of attrition" that followed when a top detective had to report his own abuser. Graeme reveals the clinical reality of recording a sting call and the struggle of wearing a "Batman mask" to survive his trauma.
If you or someone you know needs help, there is support available. You don’t have to go through it alone. Please reach out to support services like 1800RESPECT.
This interview was recorded before Graeme's case went to trial. In the time since this recording, Graeme's specific case went to court and resulted in an acquittal. However, the same individual also faced trials over a number of other historical sexual offences against children. The defendant pleaded not guilty to all charges and has maintained his innocence throughout. While he was found guilty of sexual offences relating to four victims, the defendant continues to maintain his innocence and has filed a motion to appeal those convictions.
Listen to Graeme's previous interview on I Catch Killers here: Part 1 & Part 2
Questions for Gary: [email protected]
Get in touch with the show by joining our Facebook group, and visiting us on Instagram or Tiktok.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.