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TTPD is Christy and Rachel’s GOAT albums of TS, and we’re so excited to explain the lore in an incredibly in-depth, nearly two hour episode! Taylor Swift and Matty Healy were publicly together for only a few weeks in 2023—but their story was nearly a decade in the making (real Swiftiesk now). We trace their history from a backstage meeting in 2014 to their whirlwind reunion, then revisit Midnights and The Tortured Poets Department for clues about Joe Alwyn, Matty Healy and her long-awaited, anticipated romance, the backlash, and its implosion.

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Approximate Timestamps:

Part 1: The Addendum

00:00 Intro: Recording an Addendum After Taylor's Surprise News

01:20 Patient Zero & the Encore Dropped Mid-Recording: Initial Reactions

03:20 Patient Zero's "Sterile Asylum" Aesthetic vs. the Encore's Flashy Reveal

07:25 Album Release Theories & the Summer I Turned Pretty Comparison

11:30 Debating the Encore & Favorite Eras Aesthetically

16:25 The Lavender Haze/Mad Men Connection Deep Dive

18:00 Closing Thoughts, the Truman Black/Joe Alwyn Connection & Outro

Part 2: The Main Episode

23:40 Intro: Rachel Returns & Setting the Stage on Taylor & Maddie

27:30 Current Album Speculation: Debut Re-Release & November 10th Theories

32:50 Joe Alwyn's Truman Show Picture & the Gaylor Theories Tangent

37:00 Favorite Taylor Relationship Debate & "The Life of a Showgirl" Critique

41:45 Joe Alwyn as a Muse & Christy's "Maddie as OTP" Hot Take

47:30 The Origin Story: Meeting at a 1975 Concert & Early Courtship

53:45 A Friend's Insider Perspective & Disclaimer on Being a Critical Swiftie

57:00 The Quiet Reputation Era Through the 2023 Breakup & Eras Setlist Swap

1:00:10 April 8th: The Official Joe Breakup, Timed to Maddie's Birthday

1:03:00 The Public Proclamation Timeline & the Sudden June 2023 Breakup

1:05:45 Color Symbolism, the Romantic Gesture Theory & Midnights as a Breakup Album

1:09:15 "You're Losing Me," "Midnight Rain" & "The Great War"

1:14:30 "Question...?" & "Maroon": The Foxborough Surprise Song Tied to Maddie

1:16:55 TTPD as a "Postmortem": "So Long London" & Debating "loml"

1:21:25 "Guilty as Sin?," "Fresh Out the Slammer" & "But Daddy I Love Him"

1:26:00 Defending Her Choices & Questioning Taylor's Real Value System

1:31:00 "I Can Fix Him" & the Title Track's Direct Jack/Lucy References

1:35:00 Marriage Imagery, "Fortnite" & the Album's Downward Spiral

1:42:30 Voice Memo Alternate Lyrics They Wish She'd Kept

1:45:10 "I Can Get You Back" & the Wine-Name Coding

1:53:00 "The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived," "The Prophecy" & "The Manuscript"

2:01:10 Final Thoughts, Lighthearted Closer & Outro
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Welcome back to the best day of the week! Christy and Sophie are diving into all things “The Life of a Showgirl: The Encore” (warning Swifties, you may not like what we have to say…) plus some reality TV talk (“Next Gen NYC,” “The Traitors: New Blood”) and more!

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Make sure to follow us on Instagram and watch full episodes on YouTube!

@snarkbaitpod

@christynoel__

@soph_ross

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Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/snarkbaitpod

Full video up on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@snarkbaitpod

Snark Bait Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/snarkbaitpod/

Christy’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/christynoel__/

Sophie’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/soph_ross/

Substack - https://substack.com/@snarkbaitpod

Merch - https://www.depop.com/snarkbaitpod/

Approximate Timestamps:

00:00 – Intro: Sophie's back, thanks to Christy, Olivia and Rachel. Also the schedule (Thursday TTPD lore, Patreon Rachel AMA) and the merch update.

05:00 – Sophie ranks Taylor's recent albums and calls The Encore a new low.

08:20 – Why "Cleveland!" is so divisive. Streaming drop, exclamation-point titles, the negativity in the lyrics, and Swifties defending her.

17:50 – Taylor's "yes people," the Olivia Rodrigo and Sabrina Carpenter tangent, and why she needs a break.

22:10 – The "Patient Zero" music video. They praise Colin Farrell and Dakota Johnson, then the Dakota/MGK gossip.

26:15 – "Patient Zero" theories and Easter eggs. Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas, Matty Healy, Scooter Braun, the 1986 gravestone, and the SNL clues.

32:20 – Lyric and vocal criticism. Meme-style lyrics, the talk-singing, and the Tolerate It comparison.

34:45 – Bravo talk. Tamra Judge, OC and Salt Lake City, and the Next Gen NYC reunion hot mic

42:30 – Traitors: New Blood, Sterling Point, the celebrity season cast, and why Christy never applied.

45:55 – VMAs recap. Taylor's look, the Artist Director Honors presented by Dakota Johnson, and theories that she'll move into film directing.

48:05 – DEO: loud slurping.

49:05 – LEO: stick with one airline. Delta vs. United, including the United flight incident,

53:30 – LEO: 90s erotic thrillers

54:40 – LEO: Christy's London photography story at Big Ben and Tower Bridge, plus photo-taking etiquette.

56:50 – Outro. Merch, Patreon and Substack reminders, then sign-off.

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One of the most iconic Bachelorettes of all time parlayed her reality TV fame into a social media career before social media careers even existed.

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@snarkbaitpod

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FULL LINKS:

Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/snarkbaitpod

Full video up on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@snarkbaitpod

Snark Bait Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/snarkbaitpod/

Christy’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/christynoel__/

Sophie’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/soph_ross/

Substack https://substack.com/@snarkbaitpod

Approximate Timestamps:

00:00 Intro & Catch-Up (London Trip, Dumois App for Celebrity Spotting)

02:05 Subway Donut Mishap & Introducing Today's Topic: Ali Manno

06:15 Ali's Bachelor Origin: Jake Pavelka's Season & Gia Allemand Tribute

09:55 Ali's Season Stats, Jillian Harris Drama & Her Emotional Attempt to Return

15:00 Ali's Emotional Attempt to Return to the Show, Bachelor Nostalgia & Ali Named Season 6 Bachelorette

18:00 Roberto Martinez: Their Pairing & the Justin/Crutches Hotel Chase Scandal

21:25 Ali & Roberto's Post-Show Relationship & Broken Engagement

25:05 Post-Bachelorette Career: News Correspondent, Podcast & Meeting Kevin Manno

26:55 Ali & Kevin's Relationship, Wedding, Kids & Marriage Struggles

30:45 Moving to Nashville/Back to LA & Red Carpet Snub Stories (Gyllenhaal, Hugh Grant)

36:10 Ali's Old Blog & Nanny Shaming Backlash

38:10 Comparing Ali to Kaitlyn Bristowe & the Slut-Shaming Double Standard

44:15 CBD/THC Gummies Controversy & FOCL Equity Disclosure Issue

49:25 What Does Ali Do All Day? Golf Cart & Grocery Shopping Discourse

52:30 Begging for Engagement & Oversharing Her Kids' Health Issues

54:50 Kevin's Cancer Diagnosis, Pre-Nuvo Shilling & Her Dog Owen's Brain Tumor

1:00:45 Wellness Industry Shilling, Misogyny & Her Conservative Fanbase

1:03:55 Taylor Frankie Paul Tangent: Domestic Violence Allegations & Ali's Defense

1:07:35 Closing Thoughts & Patreon Recap/Outro
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Welcome back to the best day of the week! Christy is joined by a VERY special guest today, Olivia, and they walk through alllllll the hot topics of the week.

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Make sure to follow us on Instagram and watch full episodes on YouTube!

@snarkbaitpod

@christynoel__

@soph_ross

FULL LINKS:

Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/snarkbaitpod

Full video up on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@snarkbaitpod

Snark Bait Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/snarkbaitpod/

Christy’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/christynoel__/

Sophie’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/soph_ross/

Substack - https://substack.com/@snarkbaitpod

Merch - https://www.depop.com/snarkbaitpod/

Approximate Timestamps:

00:00 Intro & Welcoming Guest Host Olivia (OOR) Filling in for Sophie

02:40 RHONY Reboot Season 3: New Cast & Uba's Departure

04:40 Carol Radziwill's Return, the Bethany Feud & Epstein Files Controversy

11:30 Olivia's Personal Story: Meeting Carol & Kristen Taekman Years Ago

16:40 Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Taylor Frankie Paul's Escalating Crisis

19:50 Speculating on Drug Use, the AI "White Jesus" Photos & Platforming Ethics

25:50 Michaela's Principled Exit from Filming Season 6

29:00 Joe Alwyn's Truman Show Instagram Update & the Mary Beth Barone PR Theory

36:50 Rapid Fire: Joe Alwyn vs. Travis Kelce & Comparing Their Fashion Sense

41:35 Channing Tatum's Alleged Burner Instagram About Zoe Kravitz & Harry Styles

45:50 Zoe Kravitz's Dating History & Gaylor Fandom Tangent

47:00 Patreon Preview & SFK's Book Launch Day Thirst Trapping

53:50 Dark Energy Objects: Flight Cancellation Nightmare & Loud Teeth-Brushing

59:50 Light Energy Objects: Fan Care Package & Luke Bryan's Meme-able Lyrics

1:04:10 Country Music Chat & the Andy Dorfman/Bachelor Nashville Circle Tangent

1:07:00 Closing, Thanking Olivia & Substack/Merch Plugs/Outro

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Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark built a die-hard (get it?) following and pretty much invented the “true-crime comedy” genre — and is that really a genre that should exist?

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Make sure to follow us on Instagram and watch full episodes on YouTube!

@snarkbaitpod

@christynoel__

@soph_ross

FULL LINKS:

Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/snarkbaitpod

Full video up on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@snarkbaitpod

Snark Bait Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/snarkbaitpod/

Christy’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/christynoel__/

Sophie’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/soph_ross/

Substack https://substack.com/@snarkbaitpod

Approximate Timestamps:

00:00 Intro & Catch-Up (New Studio Setup, YouTube Plug)

01:10 True Crime Background & MFM's Launch/"True Crime Comedy" Criticism

07:40 MFM Origins: Karen & Georgia's Backgrounds & Lack of Journalistic Rigor

12:05 "Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered" Tagline & Christy's History as a Murderino

16:40 Meteoric Rise, Ranking Decline & the Murderino Facebook Community

19:00 Amazon/Wondery Deal, "Sellout" Backlash & Exactly Right Media

25:30 Billy Jensen Sexual Assault Allegations & Murder Squad Cancellation

29:00 Parting Ways with Amazon, Signing with iHeart & Other True Crime Podcast Tangents

31:45 Netflix/iHeart Video Deal & Jake Shane Tangent

33:15 Hometown Murders Segment & Verification Issues

36:10 Live Show Reactions to Graphic Details (Larry Singleton Case)

38:50 Privileged Catchphrases & Racial Bias in Case Selection/Trust in Police

46:50 Missing White Woman Syndrome & Victim-Blaming Criticisms

48:20 TeePee-Gate: Merchandise & Cultural Appropriation Backlash

52:50 Facebook Group Racism & Mod Controversy

58:30 Golden State Killer Coverage, Press Conference Incident & CSA Doll Controversy

01:05:30 Final Thoughts on MFM's Legacy & Outro
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