The Sustainable Food Trust Podcast

• Molly Biddell on rewilding at Knepp estate and measuring social impacts

  After both appearing on the Grazing for Good: Livestock and Biodiversity in the UK panel at ORFC earlier this year, SFT CEO, Patrick Holden, sat down once again with Molly Biddell, Head of Natural Capital at Knepp Estate – a 3,500-acre rewilding project in West Sussex – for an episode of the SFT Podcast. Her work involves leveraging nature markets and policy for Knepp, Weald to Waves and the River Adur Landscape Recovery project. She also works part-time at Hampton Estate, a family-run regenerative farming business, facilitates the Upper Adur Farming Cluster group and is a columnist for Farmers Weekly. In this episode, Patrick and Molly talk about the work going on at Knepp Estate – ‘a radical rewilding experiment’, says Molly – including the success they’ve had so far in terms of an increase in biodiversity, carbon sequestration and habitat restoration. They also talk about the role of projects like Knepp Estate to improve public awareness of rewilding and more sustainable agricultural methods, before finishing the episode with a discussion on measuring the climate, nature and social impacts of such projects. To hear more from Molly, you can read her column for Farmers Weekly here. To find out more about Knepp Estate, visit: https://knepp.co.uk. To listen to more SFT podcasts, featuring some of the biggest names in regenerative food and farming, head to our main podcast page. And to keep up to date with our news, you can subscribe to our monthly newsletter or follow us on Instagram, X, Facebook and Bluesky. This conversation was recorded in May 2025.

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• Rupert Sheldrake on bridging science and spirituality

  Following their session together at this year’s Oxford Real Farming Conference – Land, Food and Spirit – SFT CEO, Patrick Holden, and renowned biologist and author, Rupert Sheldrake, reconnected to record an episode of the SFT Podcast. Rupert’s impressive career started at Cambridge University where he studied Natural Sciences, before receiving a scholarship to attend Harvard University, studying History and Philosophy of Science. Rupert later returned to Cambridge where he gained a PhD in Plant Development. This eventually led him to India, where he worked at The International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics (ICRISAT), to develop a more holistic approach to biology and science: “the mechanistic, materialist paradigm was too limiting and constricting” resulting in the idea of ‘morphic resonance’. Rupert has also authored more than 100 technical papers and nine books, including Science and Spiritual Practices. This episode takes a slightly different turn from our usual episodes, with less focus on agriculture, and more on the role of spirituality in science. During this episode, Patrick and Rupert discuss bridging the gap between spirituality and science, they ask whether farms could be considered ‘holy places’, Rupert explains his theory of morphic resonance and talks about his involvement with the British Pilgrimage Trust. To find our more about Rupert and his work, visit https://www.sheldrake.org, and follow him on Instagram and YouTube. To listen to more SFT podcasts, featuring some of the biggest names in regenerative food and farming, head to our main podcast page. And to keep up to date with our news, you can subscribe to our monthly newsletter or follow us on Instagram, X, Facebook and Bluesky. This conversation was recorded in April 2025.     Timestamps: 0.00: Intro 0.55: Welcome Rupert! 1.11: Patrick and Rupert at the Oxford Real Farming Conference (ORFC) 2025 2.20: Rupert’s career beginnings 3.59: What is ‘morphic resonance’? 4.53: Is there a connection between morphic resonance and epigenetics? 6.43: Building a bridge between science and spirituality  8.58: The influences of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and Rudolf Steiner 11.20: Rupert’s spiritual journey 17.00: What is a ‘holy place’? 21.59: Choral Evensong and its place at conferences like ORFC 27.56: Rupert’s involvement with the British Pilgrimage Trust 32.25: Could farms be considered ‘holy places’? 34.10: Rogation Sunday and patronal festivals 40.21: What’s drawing people back – regardless of religion – to holy places and patronal festivals? 43.07: Revaluing the parish and local community 48.36: Saying grace at mealtimes  53.30: Thank you Richard 54.21: Outro  

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• Dr Federica on the link between environmental health and nutrition and the importance of improved public food education

  This month we bring you a special edition of the podcast, recorded at London Climate Action Week as part of Extreme Hangout’s live podcast series. Our CEO Patrick Holden is joined by Dr Federica Amati, Head Nutritionist at ZOE, with a special guest appearance from Professor Tim Spector, Founder of ZOE, for the first half of the episode. Dr. Federica Amati’s career boasts a plethora of academic achievements – alongside her position as Head Nutritionist at ZOE (the science and nutrition research company), Dr Federica also holds a PhD in Clinical Medicine Research, a masters in Public Health and is an Association for Nutrition (AfN) Registered Nutritionist.  She has also authored Recipes for a Better Menopause and the Sunday Times Bestseller, Every Body Should Know This. Her approach focuses on improving overall dietary quality throughout the life course, using food as the best tool to transform health. During their conversation together, Patrick and Dr Federica talk about the importance of reconnecting people with how their food is grown, the current culture of litigation and fear of the wrong kinds of bacteria in our foods and how environmental health and nutrition are intrinsically linked. The final 20 minutes of this episode features a Q&A segment from the audience. This episode was recorded and produced by Extreme Hangout. To find out more about Dr Federica, follow her on Instagram and LinkedIn.  To listen to more SFT podcasts, featuring some of the biggest names in regenerative food and farming, head to our main podcast page. And to keep up to date with our news, you can subscribe to our monthly newsletter or follow us on Instagram, X, Facebook and Bluesky. This conversation was recorded in June 2025.

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• Max Jones on the importance of preserving traditional food practices and knowing the story behind our food

  For this episode of the SFT podcast, Max Jones – transhumance guide and traditional foods archivist – visits our CEO, Patrick Holden, on Patrick’s farm in Wales.  Alongside his work as a transhumance guide – the practice of moving livestock from one grazing ground to another in accordance with the seasons – Max Jones is also a writer, photographer, educator and founder of Up There The Last, a project which aims to reconnect people with their food and educate them about the traditional food practices of the past, which still exist in some parts of the world today. From rare cheese production in the heights of the Alps, to traditional wild salmon smoking in the republic of Ireland, Max Jones’ journey to seek out and learn more about traditional food practices has taken him all over the world and led him to meet the people working hard to preserve these essential practices that are at risk of being left behind and forgotten. In this episode, Max and Patrick talk about the threat to traditional foods including modern technology and health and safety regulations, as well as the presence of an off-the-record 'food counterculture' that exists to protect ancient practices. To find out more about Max, follow him on Instagram, and visit the Up There The Last website and Substack page. You can also read the article that Max wrote for the SFT about the importance of preserving traditional food practices, here: https://sustainablefoodtrust.org/news-views/preserving-the-practices-of-traditional-foods/. To listen to more SFT podcasts, featuring some of the biggest names in regenerative food and farming, head to our main podcast page. And to keep up to date with our news, you can subscribe to our fortnightly newsletter or follow us on Instagram, X, Facebook and Bluesky. This conversation was recorded in August 2024.

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• Nic Renison on her approach to regenerative grazing

  To coincide with the release of our new report, Grazing Livestock: It's not the cow but the how, the latest guest on the SFT Podcast this month is Nic Renison. Nic is a regenerative farmer based in Cumbria where she farms alongside her husband, Paul (Reno), at Cannerheugh Farm. The daughter of dairy farmers, Nic grew up within the conventional, high production agricultural environment, growing food with little thought of the environment. This all changed in 2012 when Nic and Reno had a 'light bulb' moment after visiting an organic farm in Northumberland, which inspired them to start employing more regenerative farming methods. In 2018, alongside Liz Genever, Nic co-founded Carbon Calling – a conference created for farmers, by farmers, to share ideas and exchange knowledge on all things farming and regenerative agriculture. During the episode Nic and Patrick discuss Nic's early farming influences, her and her husband's journey from conventional to regenerative farming methods and the origins of the Carbon Calling conference, and how it supports the wider farming community. To find out more about Nic and Cannerheugh Farm, follow their journey on Instagram and visit their website here. To listen to more SFT podcasts, featuring some of the biggest names in regenerative food and farming, head to our main podcast page. And to keep up to date with our news, you can subscribe to our fortnightly newsletter or follow us on Instagram, X or Facebook.

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