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Humans in the Loop

Seb Agertoft
Humans in the Loop
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  • Humans in the Loop

    Stochastic Parrots | Emily M. Bender - Professor of Computational Linguistics

    14/07/2026 | 58 mins.
    Few people understand language quite like today's guest. Emily M. Bender is a Professor of Computational Linguistics at the University of Washington.
    She's also the person who coined the term 'Stochastic Parrots' in the now infamous paper that saw Google fire its Ethical AI lead; and the co-author of The AI Con, a book which is unflinching in its criticism of both AI boosterism and doomerism (in fact she objects to the term AI).
    I sat down with Emily to discuss topics such as:
    How language really works
    What LLMs are actually doing
    What Stochastic Parrots really means
    Why doomers and boosters are two sides of the same, misleading coin

    Where else you can listen
    ⁠⁠⁠Youtube⁠⁠⁠ - https://www.youtube.com/@HumansintheLoopPod
    ⁠Apple podcasts⁠⁠⁠ - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humans-in-the-loop/id1831285114
    ⁠Spotify⁠ - https://open.spotify.com/show/4BbslJR0KA5bfqrcYRhJER?si=b5a46211098b4f3e

    Or wherever you get your podcasts!

    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction to AI and Linguistics
    02:54 Understanding Computational Linguistics
    05:47 The Stochastic Parrots Paper
    08:32 The Implications of AI Terminology
    10:57 Skepticism Towards AI Claims
    12:58 The Illusion of Intelligence in AI
    15:55 The Dangers of AI in Professional Settings
    18:33 Democratization and Distrust in AI Development
    28:02 Doomers vs. Boosters: The AI Narrative
    32:57 Skepticism in AI: A Personal Journey
    36:30 The Rapid Evolution of AI: Are We Outdated?
    40:13 The Role of Software Engineering in AI
    48:14 Automation vs. Human Expertise: A Balancing Act
    53:02 Geopolitical Narratives: The AI Arms Race
    56:33 The Future of AI: Regulation and Ethical Use
    57:44 Pride in Expertise: Understanding Our Value

    Get in touch
    ⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠ - https://www.instagram.com/humansinthelooppod/
    Email: ⁠seb@theuncommonfounder.com⁠
    Website: ⁠https://www.theuncommonfounder.com
  • Humans in the Loop

    The AI Bubble | Paul Kedrosky - Investor, Researcher, MIT Fellow

    23/06/2026 | 56 mins.
    I sat down with Paul Kedrosky - investor, researcher and one of the smartest voices out there on the economics of AI and the risks of a bubble.

    Here are a few of the questions we talked about:
    What is a bubble?
    Is AI a bubble?
    How does it compare to past bubbles?
    What would cause the bubble to burst?
    Why should the average person care?
    Will we see a bull market in laser tag in all the abandoned data centres?
    What needs to be true for AI to NOT be a bubble?

    More info about Paul
    Paul Kedrosky is an investor, writer, and researcher. He has been a regular on-air contributor at CNBC and Bloomberg, and has written for the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and publications around the world.
    Paul started as an engineer, became a quota-carrying salesperson, then a technology equity analyst on Wall Street, and eventually a venture capitalist. He has started companies, held academic positions in the U.S. and Canada, has a popular newsletter, and is a research fellow at MIT's Institute for the Digital Economy. His Ph.D. research focused on risk, adoption, and path dependence in finance and technology.

    Where else you can listen
    ⁠⁠Youtube⁠⁠ - https://www.youtube.com/@HumansintheLoopPod
    Apple podcasts⁠⁠ - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humans-in-the-loop/id1831285114
    Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4BbslJR0KA5bfqrcYRhJER?si=b5a46211098b4f3e

    Or wherever you get your podcasts!

    Chapters
    00:00 The AI Bubble Debate
    06:44 Understanding Bubbles and Their Characteristics
    12:04 Historical Context: Railroads and AI
    17:51 The Call Option on AI's Future
    19:29 The Necessity of Bubbles for Progress
    25:31 Consequences of Stranded Assets
    26:51 The Dilemma of Data Centers
    28:46 The AI Bubble Dynamics
    31:20 The Impact of Economic Bubbles on Society
    34:06 The Interconnectedness of Global Financial Systems
    36:17 Public Sentiment Towards AI and Job Security
    38:18 The Fallacy of Technological Inevitability
    40:20 Regulatory Challenges in a Globalized Economy
    42:50 Predicting the Burst of the AI Bubble
    45:37 Market Sentiment and AI Valuations
    49:21 The Token Economy and Its Implications
    52:28 Possibilities of Change in the Current Landscape
    54:57 The Future of Work and Economic Stability

    Links
    https://paulkedrosky.com/

    Get in touch
    ⁠Instagram⁠ - https://www.instagram.com/humansinthelooppod/
    Email: ⁠seb@theuncommonfounder.com⁠
    Website: ⁠https://www.theuncommonfounder.com
  • Humans in the Loop

    Epstein, Conspiracy and How Ideas Spread | Investigative Journalist James R Ball

    09/06/2026 | 1h
    How do ideas, however crazy they might seem, spread?

    Who's a true believer vs. a grifter following the money?

    Can you talk about Epstein and QAnon without losing your rational mind?

    How can investigative journalism move with the times?

    These are just some of the questions I sat down to discuss with award-winning journalist and author James R Ball.

    He has worked as the global editor of TBIJ, a special correspondent at BuzzFeed UK and special projects editor at The Guardian, where he played a key role in the Pulitzer Prize-winning coverage of the NSA leaks by Edward Snowden, as well as the offshore leaks, HSBC Files, Reading the Riots and Keep it in the Ground projects. At WikiLeaks he was closely involved in Cablegate – the publication of 250,000 classified US embassy cables in 2010 – as well as working on two documentaries based on the Iraq War Logs.
    James is the author of multiple books, including Post-Truth: How Bullshit Conquered The World and The Tangled Web We Weave: Inside The Shadow System That Shapes the Internet. His most recent book, The Other Pandemic: How Qanon Contaminated The World, was published by Bloomsbury in July 2023.

    Where else you can listen
    ⁠Youtube⁠
    ⁠Apple podcasts⁠
    Or wherever you get your podcasts!

    Chapters
    00:00 The Evolution of Information Sharing
    08:41 Understanding QAnon: Origins and Impact
    28:37 The Social Dynamics of Conspiracy Theories
    29:34 Navigating Adolescence and Online Radicalization
    34:20 The Manosphere and Young Men's Perspectives
    37:01 Moral Panics and Information Overload
    40:04 The Epstein Connection and Conspiracy Theories
    52:37 The Future of Information in the Digital Age

    Links
    https://bsky.app/profile/jamesrball.com
    https://www.jamesrball.com/about

    Get in touch
    Instagram
    Email: ⁠seb@theuncommonfounder.com⁠
    Website: ⁠https://www.theuncommonfounder.com
  • Humans in the Loop

    Eric Ries | Is it even possible to build an Incorruptible company?

    26/05/2026 | 53 mins.
    Many of us have a sense that even well-meaning companies and institutions lose their way, sometimes becoming downright evil.Eric Ries is a legend when it comes to building tech companies and his new book is written from the perspective of someone whose been 'on the frontlines in the battle for the soul of our economy'.Incorruptible is a new blueprint for companies that will prosper and endure without losing their soul. Now more than ever we need great organisations, institutions and companies. Things that bring us together, not that tear us apart. That we can trust in to put shared human interests and values at the heart of what they do.If you're going to listen to one Humans in the Loop episode, make it this one.

    Buy the book now.

    Where else you can listen
    Youtube
    Apple podcastsOr wherever you get your podcasts!

    Chapters
    00:00 The Core Thesis of 'Incorruptible'
    02:52 The Urgency of the Moment
    07:13 Understanding Financial Gravity
    12:21 The Concept of Shareholder Primacy
    17:54 The Misconception of Capitalism
    23:13 Examples of Resilient Companies
    26:59 The Value of Innovative Corporate Structures
    28:59 AI Governance and Corporate Responsibility
    30:35 The Role of Governance in AI Companies
    32:50 Integrity and Mission in Corporate Governance
    35:45 The Importance of Principles in Business Decisions
    38:30 The Role of Integrity in Governance
    40:49 The Consequences of Corporate Mission Statements
    43:28 Balancing Lean Startup Principles with Governance
    46:35 The Right Time for Founders to Implement Governance
    49:23 An Optimistic Vision for the Future of BusinessLinks
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/eries/
    https://x.com/ericries
    https://www.instagram.com/ericriesactual/
    https://www.tiktok.com/@ericriesactual
    https://news.theleanstartup.com/
    https://www.youtube.com/@theericriesshow

    Get in touch
    Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/humansinthelooppod⁠
    Email: ⁠seb@theuncommonfounder.com⁠
    Website: ⁠https://www.theuncommonfounder.com
  • Humans in the Loop

    Can you lift a country out of poverty? | Nick Allardice, CEO GiveDirectly

    19/05/2026 | 56 mins.
    How to lift an entire country out of poverty?
    Does philanthropy make a difference?
    What if wealthy tech founders gave away their money?
    Will AI make poor countries even poorer?
    How does technology help a country to develop?

    Those are some of the questions discussed into today's episode of Humans in the Loop featuring Nick Allardice, CEO of GiveDirectly, a non-profit that's sent over $1 billion in cash, directly to those living in poverty.
    Where else you can watch/listenYoutube - youtube.com/channel/UC1KEYtwPKr5yUv86f7YDB7g/Apple podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humans-in-the-loop/id1831285114Or wherever you get your podcasts!
    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction to GiveDirectly and Philanthropy
    02:35 Identifying Communities in Need
    06:18 Technology and Cash Transfers
    12:10 Empowering Recipients: No Strings Attached
    17:45 Community Impact and Economic Growth
    23:46 Limitations of Cash Transfers
    27:15 Conclusion and Future of Philanthropy
    27:33 Skepticism of Central Planning in Local Economies
    28:40 The Ineffectiveness of Traditional Teaching Methods
    30:38 The Role of Wealthy Individuals in Alleviating Poverty
    32:52 The Potential of Cash Transfers to Lift Living Standards
    35:37 The Importance of Urgency in Philanthropy
    39:26 The Impact of AI on Job Markets in Developing Countries
    42:46 Balancing Optimism and Fear in the Age of AI
    47:49 Innovative Approaches to Education and Healthcare
    50:06 Leveraging AI for Disaster Preparedness
    54:05 A Call to Action for the Wealthy to Invest in ChangeLinksGiveDirectly
    The experiment in Malawi
    Rutger Bregman's call for the world's billionaires to pick up the phone to NickGet in touch
    Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/humansinthelooppod⁠
    Email: ⁠seb@theuncommonfounder.com⁠
    Website: ⁠https://www.theuncommonfounder.com
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About Humans in the Loop
Humans in the Loop, hosted by Seb Agertoft, is a podcast for thoughtful technologists asking the hard questions at the intersection of technology and society. Guests include founders, investors, researchers, artists, policymakers and even a Zen Master, covering topics like the AI bubble debate, tech sovereignty, the Chinese tech industry, radicalisation and conspiracy theories, AGI, quantum computing, technology and democracy, the future of work, and much more. Seb is a coach to tech company founders and leadership teams. You can find out more about his work at www.theuncommonfounder.com
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