Making Trouble with Molly Naylor

This episode features the poet Ella Frears. A total bath person, Ella joins Molly in Sheffield for a chat about the future. How worried should we be about our artistic stability? Is there any way to protect ourselves from the precarious nature of the arts? Why isn't Molly considered a Cornish artist, and is there anything Ella wouldn't do for £100? Listen and find out!
Ella's recent book Goodlord: An Email is a fictional memoir of habitation. It was shortlisted for the Forward Prize for Poetry.
Her first collection, Shine Darling, was shortlisted for the TS Eliot Prize.
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It's Chloe Petts! Chloe is a stand up comedian. You might have seen them on Have I Got News For You, Taskmaster or Mock the Week. They will be touring their new show, Call me by your Surname, from January 2027.
Join Chloe and Molly for a chat about the trouble with knowing when to take responsibility versus when to complain about the system! We also touch on the relationship between the performer and the audience, Chloe's struggle to enjoy stand up when they first started out, and what happens when your favourite football team is... Crystal Palace.
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Poet, performer and novelist Salena Godden joins us today for a chat about overthinking. Why we do it, the impact it has, whether artists are particularly prone to it and what it does to our lives and our work.
Salena is the author of the novel Mrs Death Misses Death, out now with Cannongate. Her newest poetry collection is Pessimism is for Lightweights, published by Rough Trade.
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It's our final episode! Of season 3. Don't worry, there will be more Making Trouble - soon (ish). Please keep supporting the pod until then, (via Patreon, by sharing it, by posting/talking about it or rating/reviewing on your podcast app) it means everything and it helps us keep going!
We sign off the season with a special listener questions episode. Musician and comedian Grace Petrie joins Molly to help provide As to your brilliant Qs. Check out Grace's music and merch here.
There's a bit of death/grief chat during the first 20 minutes, so skip that if you're not in the right place for it.
HUGE THANKS TO YOU FOR LISTENING - BE BACK SOON XXX
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It’s Troy Cabida (Neon Manila) day!
Troy Cabida is a London-based Filipino poet. He is a former member of the Barbican Young Poets and the Roundhouse Poetry Collective. Join Molly and Troy for a conversation about collaboration. We talk about the highs, the lows, and the things we need to have in place to make it work. We discuss collaboration as making something that ends up being more than the sum its parts (if all goes well), and about collaboration as being in community with other artists. We unpack how we might approach navigating and sharing that creative space.
Troy’s debut collection Neon Manila is published by Nine Arches Press, and is available now!
This is the penultimate episode of season 3. Next week, we'll be doing a special Q & A episode. If you have a question you'd like us to discuss, please send it via Instagram direct message, or email it here.
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