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【聊了什么The What】 最近的几个月里，一个穿越了中国和美国的超级文化现象是《黑神话：悟空》这款游戏。 我们几个女的其实除了一芳之外都不怎么玩游戏，但是为了去理解《黑神话：悟空》之后的文化现象，小蓝决定一头闯进这个游戏的宇宙。女性游戏玩家在参与游戏的时心路历程是怎样的？魂系游戏如何在我们沉浸在游戏剧情的时候，让我们感知到自己的主体？ 魂系游戏的魅力在哪里？什么才是所谓的硬核玩家？女的玩游戏这一路上到底挨了多少骂？ 当很多人把《黑神话：悟空》的出海热潮视为国产文化的输出巅峰，却出现了关于团队厌女言论的争议，我们如何去理解类似的游戏行业持续的厌女现象？我们请来了两个在游戏界工作的女的一起和我们聊聊《黑神话：悟空》，梳理了Gamergate 1.0 和2.0的始末，分享了对于游戏的态度。 本期嘉宾： 游戏设计师、策展人和写作者杨静 在北美游戏业界工作也是游戏爱好者Jing “Black Myth: Wukong” is China's first so-called "AAA" blockbuster video game, and CyberPink gals are here to talk about it. We haven't discussed gaming before, as none of our hosts (other than Yifang) are avid gamers, but we couldn't pass up the opportunity to join the discourse around this cross-cultural phenomenon that's the game of the summer (or dare we say, year). To fully understand the hype around "Black Myth: Wukong," all participants in this episode played the game. Especially Xiaolan who decided to jump right into the Wukong universe, as a new gamer. Along with our two guests who are both gaming industry professionals and passionate gamers, we discuss the psychological journey of female gamers as they engage with the game. Is "Black Myth: Wukong" considered a Soulslike game, and if so, how do Soulslike games allow us to perceive our agency while we're engrossed in the game's narrative? While many view the commercially successful "Black Myth: Wukong" as a pinnacle of Chinese cultural export in recent years, news about misogynistic comments from the development team surfaced. What does this mean for the persistent misogyny in the gaming industry as a whole? We talk about Gamergate 1.0 and 2.0, what it means to be a woman and a gamer, and the gaming community at large. Tune in for a riveting discussion on "Black Myth: Wukong" and more! Our Guests： Game designer, exhibition curator and writer Yang Jing Gaming industry professional and gaming enthusiast Jing 【时间轴 The When】 02:00 几个女的们玩过的那些复古游戏 （你还记得什么是软盘吗？） 33:53 黑神话悟空这个游戏给我们带来的感受 50:45 游戏界的遗憾和诟病：有哪些有毒的鄙视链和偏见 1:02:13 这款游戏是“文化出海”的高度？是“crazy rich asians”现象？ 1:19:00 团队的厌女言论和争议 02:00 Retro games we've played (Do you remember what a floppy disk is?) 33:53 Our first impressions of "Black Myth: Wukong" 50:45 Regrettable aspects of the gaming world: Toxic hierarchies and prejudices 1:02:13 Is this game considered the epitome of Chinese "cultural export"? Is it another "Crazy Rich Asians" phenomenon? 1:19:00 The team's misogynistic comments and the ensuing controversy 【拓展链接 The Links】 相关文章： 《黑神话：悟空》，能力越大 责任越大 风险越大 by 杨静，链接 关于Gamergate 1.0，讲者：Zoey Quinn，链接 IGN关于黑悟空厌女争议的文章 我们的推荐： 山河旅探 解构团队 迪斯科极乐世界 潜水员戴夫 餓殍 博德之门3 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China: https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email: [email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022

【聊了什么The What】 疲惫娇娃的这期节目聊了在美国上映的电影“Didi (弟弟)”。这部电影探讨了成长的阵痛和13岁的男主角在加州的移民身份的问题。它是台裔导演王湘圣Sean Wang的长篇初作，也是一部自传性质的作品。故事围绕一个13岁的台裔美国男孩Chris展开。在2008年短短两个月的暑假里，他经历了初恋、与家人的矛盾、对自我身份的迷惘，以及发现了对视频制作和滑板的热爱。 我们从”Dìdi 弟弟”这个电影名开始，聊了聊了我们对于这部怀旧青春电影的回应。故事中隐藏的重男轻女的情节和男孩在网络上的成长，都在我们自己作为90后的成长轨迹中有迹可循。 In this episode, we discuss the recently released film "Dìdi" (meaning "little brother" in Chinese). This coming-of-age story explores the growing pains of its 13-year-old protagonist the summer before starting high school in Fremont, California. The film marks the directorial debut of Taiwanese-American filmmaker Sean Wang and draws heavily from his own experience. The narrative centers on Chris, a 13-year-old Taiwanese-American boy, during a transformative two-month summer vacation in 2008. Throughout this brief period, Chris navigates his first love, family conflicts, identity confusion, and discovers his passion for videography and skateboarding. Starting with the film's title "Didi," we share our thoughts on this nostalgic youth drama. The subtle themes of gender and the boy's growth in the early digital age resonate with our own experiences as old millennials. The story's portrayal of gender bias within East Asian families and the protagonist's online coming-of-age journey mirror aspects of our own upbringings. 【时间轴 The When】 05:38 《弟弟》:一部关于2008年的怀旧电影 16:28 光标和键盘，PC和社交媒体，这个故事关于被互联网养大的我们 23:25 "Bro, that's so weird!":电影通过bro来传达健康的男性气质？ 30:36 陈冲的母亲角色:无条件的爱与包容 40:39 东亚式养育剧本:缺席的父亲、受困的母亲、离开的姐姐，和疼爱孙子的祖母 01:08:38 两代台湾导演的自传式电影对比，”来自女性的照料“如何被男性创作者们看到 05:38 didi is a nostalgic film set in 2008 16:28 the story explores how our generation was raised by the internet, featuring cursors, keyboards, PCs, and early social media 23:25 the film may be attempting to convey healthy masculinity through the use of "bro" culture 30:36 Joan Chen portrays a mother figure characterized by unconditional love and acceptance 40:39 the movie presents a typical East Asian family dynamic with an absent father, a trapped mother, a departed sister, and a doting grandmother 01:08:38 a comparison with autobiographical works by different generations of Taiwanese directors, particularly in how male creators depict care from women 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content to talk about our readings, what we are watching, the events we are going to, and more. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China: https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email: [email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022

【聊了什么The What】 纠结了一个夏天，我们还是决定聊一聊Drake和Kendrick的Rap Beef（说唱对决）。对于在国内长大的小杨和一芳来说，来到美国之后面对着从“从未考虑过种族“到迷迷糊糊开始思考自己身份的漫长成长过程。而这个成长过程中很重要的文本就是说唱音乐——更具体地说，是Kendrick Lamar的音乐。 这场Rap Beef不仅仅是两个天才创作者之间争夺影响力的创作对决，还掀起了遍布各个角落的涉及嘻哈文化、性别、种族、艺术创作与商业成功之间的大讨论。在这场rap battle中，多首音乐被制作出来，随着battle的火力程度升级，家暴、恋童等指控成为歌词里面乱飞的字母武器。 这些男性rappers们在个人恩怨中提出的未经证实的指控，是在保护真实的女性，还是名人男性之间相互利用对方对于失去名利的恐惧？这些看似正义的歌词其实与受伤的女性无关？嘻哈音乐是否有内生的厌女倾向，还是它只是反映了手握资源的人们对女性困境的不为所动？ As a pop culture podcast, we can’t not talk about one of the biggest cultural moments in hip hop (and beyond): the infamous rap battle between Drake and Kendrick Lamar. But for us here at Cyberpink, dissecting this rap beef goes further than just chronologically listing out who dropped what song when, or the cultural significance of “Not Like Us.” When we first experienced racialization as young immigrants, Kendrick’s profound lyrics were part of the canonical texts we read to understand race and identity in the U.S. Kendrick vs. Drake goes beyond two rappers showing off their creative chops -- it started a whole conversation around how we should consume and evaluate hip hop culture. As insults were traded and the battle escalated, accusations of domestic violence and pedophilia became lyrical weapons casually thrown around; no women or child was spared as partners, sons, daughters, and parents got dragged into the mix. Are these unverified accusations meant to protect real women, or are the two rap stars using each other’s fragile ego and fear of losing fame or wealth for their own gain. What are they gaining -- clout or their name in history as the winner? And at what cost -- women who get caught in the crossfire and further extending hip-hop’s inherent misogynistic tendencies? Is this whole showdown an indication that those with resources are indifferent to women's plight? It’s our job as culture consumers to ask these tough questions. Tune in for our discussion. 【时间轴 The When】 00:00:39 Drake与Kendrick Lamar的说唱对决的前因后果 00:04:57 Drake: 来自加拿大的混血童星和“说唱界变色龙” 00:12:44 Kendrick Lamar: 来自康普顿底层的声音，rap即诗歌，也是黑人文化的守护者 00:18:05 这场battle开始来真的: 音乐创作中开始出现大量个人攻击，战情升级 00:25:56 "Family Matters"与"Meet the Grahams": 当家庭成为歌词中的战场 00:31:57 "Not Like Us"和说唱音乐的性别困境 00:41:06 女艺术家们如何battle: Charli XCX和Lorde的和解 01:00:10 怎么办，我最爱的音乐人是一个艺术怪物 00:00:39 Drake vs. Kendrick: how the rap battle started 00:04:57 Drake: A biracial child star from Canada and too much of a chameleon? 00:12:44 Kendrick Lamar: A voice from Compton, rap as poetry, and guardian of Black culture 00:18:05 The battle gets real: Music creations start to include numerous personal attacks, escalating tensions 00:25:56 "Family Matters" and "Meet the Grahams": When family becomes a battlefield in lyrics 00:31:57 "Not Like Us" and hiphop culture’s gender problem 00:41:06 Female artists beef differently: The reconciliation between Charli XCX and Lorde 01:00:10 What if your favorite artist is an art monster 【拓展链接 The Links】 R-E-S-P-E-C-T Survivor Trauma Cannot Be Treated as Just Another Bar in a Rap Battle Drake and Kendrick Lamar Is the Last Great Rap Beef. Thank God. Drake and Kendrick Lamar are weaponising feminism Every Drake-Related Easter Egg In Kendrick Lamar’s “Not Like Us” Music Video 【结尾音乐 The Song】 Women by Little Simz 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content to talk about our readings, what we are watching, the events we are going to, and more. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China: https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email: [email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022

【聊了什么The What】 “Minor Feelings”是由韩裔美国作家诗人Cathy Park Hong的一本书，通过回忆录、文化批评和历史回顾的方式探讨了亚裔美国人流动的身份、情感和经历。作者自己作为一个“东亚女儿”和“少数族裔作家”的多重身份让她能敏锐地感受一系列仿佛已经成为日常的羞耻、愤怒和自我怀疑。在美国这样一个高度种族化的社会，亚裔往往被塑造成“模范少数族裔”，他们的勤奋和成功成了主流社会维护现状的工具。然而，当他们感受到种族歧视时，这套话术往往又会阻止亚裔美国人的表达。这些因为边缘身份产生的”微妙情感“（minor feelings）与美国关于种族的主流叙事相冲突，和亚裔美国人这个群体一样在黑白分明的种族讨论中被忽视或误解。 这本书最近被翻译成了中文在中国发表，名为《少数派的感受》。我们也借此契机请到我们的好朋友，杜克大学教授周成荫来谈谈种族意识、模范少数族裔神话以及历史事件对个人和集体身份的影响。 我们也分享了自己的移民经历，以及这些微妙情绪是如何在我们的日常情境和系统结构中产生的。 "Minor Feelings" is a book by Korean-American poet and writer Cathy Park Hong that explores the fluid identity, emotions, and experiences of Asian Americans through memoir, cultural criticism, and historical review. As an "East Asian daughter" and a "minority writer," Hong keenly perceives a range of everyday feelings of shame, anger, and self-doubt. In the highly racialized society of America, Asians are often cast as the "model minority," with their diligence and success used as tools to uphold the status quo of mainstream society. However, when they experience racial discrimination, this narrative often stifles Asian Americans' expressions. These "minor feelings" that arise from marginalization conflict with the mainstream American narratives about race and, like the Asian American community, are often overlooked or misunderstood in the black-and-white racial discourse. Recently translated into Chinese and published in China, we took this opportunity to invite our good friend, Duke University professor Eileen Chow, to discuss racial consciousness, the model minority myth, and the impact of historical events on personal and collective identity. We also shared our own immigration experiences and how these subtle feelings arise in our everyday situations. 【时间轴 The When】 00:29 《少数派的感受》:一本探讨亚裔美国人身份和经历的重要著作 02:50 解析“微妙情绪“:少数族裔在美国的日常挣扎 08:06 一代移民与二代移民的经历对比 13:40 亚裔美国人身份认同的复杂性 20:20 大学里的亚裔学生组织:寻找归属感 31:03 Eileen和小蓝在职场中的微妙种族歧视经历 45:14 亚裔内部的代际矛盾:政治立场的分歧 52:23 共同体意识的形成与挑战 01:17:22 多元文化经历作为一种“超能力” 01:24:39 如何利用自己的特权推动社会进步 00:29 “Minor Feelings”: A crucial book exploring Asian American identity and experiences 02:50 Analyzing “minor feelings”: Daily struggles of minorities in America 08:06 Comparing first-generation and second-generation immigrant experiences 13:40 The complexity of the Asian American identity 20:20 Asian student organizations in college: Searching for belonging 31:03 Eileen and Xiaolan's experience with subtle racial discrimination in the workplace 45:14 Generational conflicts and political stance divergences within Asian communities 52:23 Forming a coalition and a collective consciousness 01:17:22 Multicultural experiences as a “superpower” 01:24:39 Reflecting on how to use privilege to drive social progress 【拓展链接 The Links】 登上《时代》杂志封面的“东亚女儿” - 澎湃新闻 亚裔美国人，一个美丽但充满缺陷的虚构故事 Letter to My Child: Cathy Park Hong on the Peculiar Rhythms of Life During Quarantine 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content to talk about our readings, what we are watching, the events we are going to, and more. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China: https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email: [email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022