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  • Karen Wilkinson on the 5 Growth Drivers in Garden Care, why Education Matters, and Building Brands that Win
    Evergreen Garden Care’s UK & Ireland Marketing Director, Karen Wilkinson, joins Phil and Kate to unpack Evergreen’s new five-year category vision, how better education can unlock growth, and what it really takes to build a brand that earns shopper trust. Expect practical takeaways for suppliers and retailers ahead of Glee.Inside Evergreen’s category visionKaren explains how the team stepped back after a tough season to map long-term category growth, identifying over £152m of incremental upside if the industry attracts new shoppers and helps existing gardeners do more, spend smarter, and trade up where value is clear.The 5 category drivers at a glance:Your Journey Begins: win new gardeners at key life stages, for example moving home, getting a pet, having children or retiring. Even a 1–2% increase in gardeners could add £40m+ over five years. Next Project Inspiration: nudge current gardeners to try something new each year, from veg trugs to greenhouse growing, with smart brand partnerships and complete solutions. £30m+ potential. Love Your Lawn: guide people through the season, from spring treatments to summer feed and seed, encouraging one more trip and one more product. £20m over five years. Worth Paying More For: make trade-up simple by clearly explaining performance differences and reasons to believe across good, better, best. Urban Oasis: serve renters and small-space gardeners with right-sized packs, accessible advice and small-space projects, building tomorrow’s gardeners today. £15m potential. Be consumer-first: listen for real needs and where audiences actually spend time.Build trust: especially if you play at a premium. Proof beats promises.Make it easy: simplify choices, claims and navigation at shelf and online.Education that actually helps“Meet people where they are.” Karen outlines a sector-wide need for clear, confidence-building education across POS, packs, online and social, from YouTube and TikTok to house-and-home media. The aim is accessible, encouraging guidance that reduces overwhelm and grows category participation.Trust and qualityEvergreen is now fully peat-free and has invested heavily in operations and large-scale market trials with garden centres to prove real-world performance. For 2025, Miracle-Gro is putting a front-of-pack quality guarantee and a team of horticulture-trained “garden gurus” behind its plant foods and growing media to reassure shoppers and strengthen the category.Brand-building playbookFor challengers: know your audience, be distinctive, and lean into the emotion of gardening, not just the functional.Glee previewOn stand: a warm welcome, strong coffee, new Miracle-Gro campaigns and redesigned packs with clearer claims and back-of-pack guidance, plus a hands-on “potting shed” to showcase peat-free quality.Why listenIf you’re a supplier, brand or garden centre team, this episode gives you a practical lens for growth, a blueprint for education that converts, and brand-building principles you can apply immediately, whether you’re Miracle-Gro or a new challenger.
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  • Alan Roper on Blue Diamond’s Growth, Barton Grange & the Future of Garden Centres
    Alan Roper, Managing Director of Blue Diamond Garden Centres, returns to The Underground Podcast for another unmissable conversation ahead of Glee 2025. As the UK’s most profitable garden centre group, Blue Diamond has become the sector’s benchmark for growth, ambition, and resilience.In this candid discussion with Phil Wright and Kate Turner, Alan shares his no-nonsense perspective on:The acquisition of Barton Grange and why legacy, culture, and profitability matter in today’s marketHow Blue Diamond balances group scale with the local identity of iconic garden centresWhy sustainable growth and customer focus must trump the “numbers game” of acquisitionsThe challenges of moving to peat-free compost and the role suppliers must playOpportunities to engage younger generations through houseplants and social mediaWhat loyalty data is teaching Blue Diamond about its customers — and how that will shape strategy to 2026His advice to other garden centre owners: focus, benchmark, and know your customerAlan also speaks openly about the wider pressures facing retail, from wage inflation to government policy, and why keeping gardening at the heart of the business is non-negotiable.And the conversation doesn’t stop here. Alan will be live at Glee 2025 in The Hive for an exclusive Q&A session hosted by Phil from The Underground Podcast. This is your chance to put the big questions directly to one of the sector’s most progressive leaders.Submit your questions by Sunday 8th September: https://forms.office.com/e/ASZBwwS9wKDon’t miss this rare opportunity to hear from Alan on the podcast, then continue the conversation at Glee.
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  • Beyond Peat: Melcourt’s Bark-Based Growing Media Story
    In this episode of The Underground Podcast, Phil and Kate sit down with Nikki Burton, Managing Director, and Dr Victoria Wright, Technical Manager at Melcourt, the UK’s leading peat-free growing media company.Melcourt has been at the forefront of sustainable horticulture for over 40 years, building its reputation on bark-based innovation, technical excellence, and consistent quality, epitomised by their RHS endorsement. Nikki and Victoria share the company’s journey from forestry roots to Royal Warrant holders, with insights into how they pioneered their peat-free products long before it became a national priority.Listeners will discover:Why Melcourt has always been peat free and how its SylvaGrow range has become a benchmark for both professionals and home gardeners.The challenges of consumer education in a market where “peat free” often tells you what a product isn’t, rather than what it is.How consistency, raw ingredient knowledge, and supply chain expertise are critical to building trust in growing media.The importance of industry collaboration, from DEFRA to the Responsible Sourcing Scheme.Future opportunities and the role legislation, standards, and education will play in accelerating the industry-wide transition.Packed with practical insights for garden centre teams, retail buyers, and brand marketers, this episode sheds light on one of the most debated issues in horticulture and highlights how Melcourt is helping shape the future of sustainable growing.http://melcourt.co.uk/Your hosts:Phil Wright: ⁠⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠⁠Kate Turner: ⁠⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk
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  • Glee Trade Show Success: Sales & Retail Insights with Steven May
    As the official podcast partner for Glee once again, The Underground Podcast kicks off our 2025 coverage with Steven May of JDM Country Products. Steven brings a unique perspective on how both exhibitors and buyers can get the most value from the UK’s leading garden trade show.In this episode, Steven unpacks the power of smart sales techniques in garden retail — including his now-famous “Would you like fries with that?” analogy — and explains how upselling done right can transform profitability. He also shares practical advice for exhibitors on how to design a stand that stands out, and guidance for buyers on spotting the next big products on the show floor.Whether you’re preparing to showcase your brand at Glee or planning your buying strategy, this episode offers invaluable insights to help you succeed at the biggest event in the garden sector calendar.
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  • Opening the Garden Gates: The National Garden Scheme with Anna Wili
    In this episode of The Underground Podcast, Phil and Kate welcome Anna Wili, Head of Marketing for the National Garden Scheme (NGS), a charity with almost a century of history opening gardens for good causes. Anna shares how the NGS began in 1927 as a way to fund district nursing, and how it’s grown to over 3,500 gardens opening each year, raising more than £74 million for nursing and health charities.We explore the unique blend of horticulture, hospitality, and heart that makes garden visiting so special. From peeping behind rarely opened gates to enjoying a slice of homemade cake. Anna reveals how the NGS champions the link between gardens and wellbeing, the variety of gardens that take part (from manicured estates to wildlife havens), and the personal stories that bring each opening to life.With the charity’s centenary celebrations in 2027 on the horizon, Anna also outlines exciting plans for brand partnerships with the garden industry, opportunities for garden centres and suppliers, and how professionals across the sector can get involved.Whether you’re a garden centre owner, a manufacturer, or simply a passionate gardener, this episode is packed with insights into:How the NGS sustains a 100-year tradition of generosity and community spiritThe role of gardens in health, biodiversity, and wellbeingOpportunities for collaboration and brand licensing in the run-up to the centenaryHow to become an NGS garden owner and why you shouldn’t be shy about your patchAnd of course, we discover which celebrity Anna would most like to see open their garden for charity…Listen in and be inspired to throw open your own garden gates or work with the NGS to help them grow their impact even further.National Garden Scheme: https://ngs.org.uk/Your hosts:Phil Wright: ⁠⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠⁠Kate Turner: ⁠⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk
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Exploring the future of garden care. The underground podcast is a place where the disparate worlds of horticulture and marketing collide. Kate Turner, the Gardener Guru and Phil Wright, co-founder of creative agency WrightObara, team up to discover the trailblazers and innovators shaping the future of garden care in the UK. With content that’s as relevant to start-ups as it would be to established players, we look to cover the hottest topics and trends you need to know. From plants to products, environmental concerns to legislation, we’ll dig deep to bring you the inside story.
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