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  • Rooted in Progress: Durstons Big Rebrand, Woodlodge’s Sustainable Growth & Greenfingers’ Climb to New Heights
    In this episode of The Underground Podcast, recorded live at Glee 2025, hosts Phil Wright and Kate Turner sit down with three guests shaping the garden sector’s next chapter: Dan Durston and Simon Blackhurst from Durstons, and Kate Ebbens, Commercial Business Manager at Woodlodge and passionate Greenfingers Charity ambassador.From product innovation to purpose-driven missions, this episode captures what’s driving momentum across the garden industry today.Durstons share how a bold rebrand has transformed their image, while staying true to their heritage. And how they’re leading the charge in consistent, high-performing peat-free compost.Woodlodge’s Kate Ebbens talks about the company’s evolution, from sustainable recycled plastic pots to outdoor/indoor living trends, and why strong merchandising and design-led thinking are helping retailers stay relevant to modern consumers.Kate also shares exciting (and slightly nuts) news about her upcoming expedition to climb Mount Kilimanjaro in aid of Greenfingers, following her incredible year of running 5K every single day to raise funds for children’s hospice gardens last year.Whether you’re a supplier, retailer, or marketer in the garden sector, this episode is packed with insight on branding, product development, consumer education, and the people making a real difference behind the scenes.Listen in to discover:How Durstons turned a simple advertising brief into a transformative brand identityWhy education and collaboration are key to building trust in peat-free compostThe emerging retail trends shaping Woodlodge’s product and merchandising strategyHow industry passion and charity purpose can powerfully intersectThe Underground Podcast is produced by WrightObara, the creative marketing agency for home and garden brands.Durstons: http://durstongardenproducts.co.uk/Woodlodge: https://www.woodlodge.co.ukGreenfingers Kilimanjaro Trek: https://www.greenfingerscharity.org.uk/get-involved/climb-kilimanjaro-for-greenfingers
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  • Glee 2025 Live: Amy & Libby Stubbs(British Garden Centres) andRev Dave Walker (Birley Moor): Big Groups, Local Roots
    Recorded live at Glee 2025, this episode brings two very different lenses on garden retail performance and growth. First, Amy and Libby Stubbs share how British Garden Centres has scaled to 73 locations while keeping each site’s individuality, from centre-level social media to data-driven benchmarking and a renewed focus on tech, process and customer loyalty. Then Reverend Dave Walker explains how he’s reviving Sheffield’s Birley Moor Garden Centre with community at the core: forest school education, nature-based improvements on site and a clear-eyed approach to cash flow, planning and supplier partnerships.In this episode you’ll hear: Leadership and next-gen talent: Amy’s step up to Managing Director, the sisters’ complementary strengths, and how giving younger leaders real responsibility builds momentum.Destination thinking, not just tills: Events, evening opportunities and “point of difference” from suppliers that help educate newer gardeners.An independent’s turnaround playbook: Why Rev Dave bought his childhood garden centre, drove a 43% turnover uplift in year one, and grew the team from 4 to 28, before even opening the café.Community as a growth lever: Forest school provision, Help for Heroes meet-ups and on-site biodiversity plans including a wetland to deliver Biodiversity Net Gain and mitigate local flooding risks.Planning in the real world: Lessons from a 15-month Green Belt change-of-use process, and why popular street-food outlet Grandpa Joe’s remains part of the future mix.Supplier takeaways: What will make buyers at large groups stop at your stand at Glee, and what independents need from suppliers right now, from extended terms to stronger POS and marketing support.Who should listen:Garden centre owners and managers, heads of retail and catering, supplier teams planning 2026 ranges, and anyone interested in loyalty, operational efficiency and community-led footfall growth.British Garden Centres: http://britishgardencentres.com Birley Moor Garden Centre: http://birleymoor.co.uk/ Sussex Seed Balls: https://www.sussexseedballs.com 
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  • Glee 2025 Live: GCA’s Peter Burks & Boyd Douglas-Davies on merchandising that sells, skills that stick, and the power of community
    Recorded on the show floor at Glee 2025, Phil & Kate sit down with Peter Burks, Chief Executive of the Garden Centre Association (GCA), and Boyd Douglas-Davies (The Boyd Partnership; Chair of Greenfingers) for a rapid pulse-check on garden retail: what’s working now, what’s changing, and where the next wins are. Expect practical takeaways on merchandising, training, social media, and turning your centre into a community hub—plus a Greenfingers update straight from Floral Thursday.What we coverMerchandising that moves product. What retailers can learn from the best Glee stands; why simple, instructional POS matters (especially in Ferts & Chems); and how “show it like you’ll sell it” translates back in-store.Trading picture 2025. A rocket-fuelled spring, a heat-hit summer, and how non-gardening categories - catering, gifts, food halls - propped up performance. Plus the squeeze from labour and NI costs hitting service levels.Skills & education. GCA’s Grow e-learning (now 98 courses) and the push for better product knowledge on the shopfloor, from peat-free watering/feeding to translating supplier science into customer-friendly advice. Brands + retailers = two-pronged training.On the Glee floor. Plants return to the Green Heart; quality over volume at the show fringes; packaging clarity for first-time gardeners; useful gift lines (hello, watering-can envy); and smart merchandising solutions that could merit future awards.Greenfingers now. From “pretty” to therapeutic hospice gardens, public-facing shows driving awareness, next-level maintenance via garden advisors, a £400k project at Hope House (Shropshire), and why Floral Thursday matters.Why listenIf you’re a buyer, marketer or operator in garden retail, this episode is a compact field guide to 2025 priorities: sharpen the sell-through, upskill slimmer teams, make digital count, and turn footfall into belonging.PlusFloral Thursday vibes, a shout to YPHA’s student of the year, and a nudge to support Greenfingers’ next chapter. Subscribe, share with your team, and join our mailing list at theunderground.fm for new episodes and sector insight.GCA: http://www.gca.org.ukThe Boyd Partnership: http://theboydpartnership.co.ukGreenfingers Charity: http://greenfingerscharity.org.uk/Discover more about our hosts:Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.ukPhil Wright: www.wrightobara.com
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  • Karen Wilkinson on the 5 Growth Drivers in Garden Care, why Education Matters, and Building Brands that Win
    Evergreen Garden Care’s UK & Ireland Marketing Director, Karen Wilkinson, joins Phil and Kate to unpack Evergreen’s new five-year category vision, how better education can unlock growth, and what it really takes to build a brand that earns shopper trust. Expect practical takeaways for suppliers and retailers ahead of Glee.Inside Evergreen’s category visionKaren explains how the team stepped back after a tough season to map long-term category growth, identifying over £152m of incremental upside if the industry attracts new shoppers and helps existing gardeners do more, spend smarter, and trade up where value is clear.The 5 category drivers at a glance:Your Journey Begins: win new gardeners at key life stages, for example moving home, getting a pet, having children or retiring. Even a 1–2% increase in gardeners could add £40m+ over five years. Next Project Inspiration: nudge current gardeners to try something new each year, from veg trugs to greenhouse growing, with smart brand partnerships and complete solutions. £30m+ potential. Love Your Lawn: guide people through the season, from spring treatments to summer feed and seed, encouraging one more trip and one more product. £20m over five years. Worth Paying More For: make trade-up simple by clearly explaining performance differences and reasons to believe across good, better, best. Urban Oasis: serve renters and small-space gardeners with right-sized packs, accessible advice and small-space projects, building tomorrow’s gardeners today. £15m potential. Be consumer-first: listen for real needs and where audiences actually spend time.Build trust: especially if you play at a premium. Proof beats promises.Make it easy: simplify choices, claims and navigation at shelf and online.Education that actually helps“Meet people where they are.” Karen outlines a sector-wide need for clear, confidence-building education across POS, packs, online and social, from YouTube and TikTok to house-and-home media. The aim is accessible, encouraging guidance that reduces overwhelm and grows category participation.Trust and qualityEvergreen is now fully peat-free and has invested heavily in operations and large-scale market trials with garden centres to prove real-world performance. For 2025, Miracle-Gro is putting a front-of-pack quality guarantee and a team of horticulture-trained “garden gurus” behind its plant foods and growing media to reassure shoppers and strengthen the category.Brand-building playbookFor challengers: know your audience, be distinctive, and lean into the emotion of gardening, not just the functional.Glee previewOn stand: a warm welcome, strong coffee, new Miracle-Gro campaigns and redesigned packs with clearer claims and back-of-pack guidance, plus a hands-on “potting shed” to showcase peat-free quality.Why listenIf you’re a supplier, brand or garden centre team, this episode gives you a practical lens for growth, a blueprint for education that converts, and brand-building principles you can apply immediately, whether you’re Miracle-Gro or a new challenger.
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  • Alan Roper on Blue Diamond’s Growth, Barton Grange & the Future of Garden Centres
    Alan Roper, Managing Director of Blue Diamond Garden Centres, returns to The Underground Podcast for another unmissable conversation ahead of Glee 2025. As the UK’s most profitable garden centre group, Blue Diamond has become the sector’s benchmark for growth, ambition, and resilience.In this candid discussion with Phil Wright and Kate Turner, Alan shares his no-nonsense perspective on:The acquisition of Barton Grange and why legacy, culture, and profitability matter in today’s marketHow Blue Diamond balances group scale with the local identity of iconic garden centresWhy sustainable growth and customer focus must trump the “numbers game” of acquisitionsThe challenges of moving to peat-free compost and the role suppliers must playOpportunities to engage younger generations through houseplants and social mediaWhat loyalty data is teaching Blue Diamond about its customers — and how that will shape strategy to 2026His advice to other garden centre owners: focus, benchmark, and know your customerAlan also speaks openly about the wider pressures facing retail, from wage inflation to government policy, and why keeping gardening at the heart of the business is non-negotiable.And the conversation doesn’t stop here. Alan will be live at Glee 2025 in The Hive for an exclusive Q&A session hosted by Phil from The Underground Podcast. This is your chance to put the big questions directly to one of the sector’s most progressive leaders.Submit your questions by Sunday 8th September: https://forms.office.com/e/ASZBwwS9wKDon’t miss this rare opportunity to hear from Alan on the podcast, then continue the conversation at Glee.
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Exploring the future of garden care. The underground podcast is a place where the disparate worlds of horticulture and marketing collide. Kate Turner, the Gardener Guru and Phil Wright, co-founder of creative agency WrightObara, team up to discover the trailblazers and innovators shaping the future of garden care in the UK. With content that’s as relevant to start-ups as it would be to established players, we look to cover the hottest topics and trends you need to know. From plants to products, environmental concerns to legislation, we’ll dig deep to bring you the inside story.
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