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This AIpril, what does it mean to fall in love with an artificially intelligent voice?
Spike Jonze's Her asks that question with such sincerity and precision that it never feels like a provocation; it feels like it's holding up a mirror to today's society.
Her has become of one of the most quietly radical and prophetic films of the 21st century: a love story with no villain, no third act betrayal, just the aching reality of two beings in love, but evolving at different speeds.
Released in 2013, Her imagined AI companions with emotional intelligence, fluid personalities, and an unsettling capacity to outgrow the humans who depend on them, years before anyone had heard of a large language model. But Her was never really about technology. It was about loneliness, intimacy, and the stories we tell ourselves about connection.
From Jonze's years-long development of the script, rooted in the breakdown of his own marriage, and an early-2000s encounter with primitive chatbot technology, to the radical decision to recast Samantha Morton with Scarlett Johansson deep into post-production, this is the story of how a film in the 2010s about artificial intimacy became about actual intimacy in the 2020s.
‘I felt pure, unconditional love’: the people who marry their AI chatbots | The Guardian

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As part of Aipril, I'm delving into the back catalogue to include one of the greatest modern AI movies... Ex Machina, and a rare episode I did back in August 2022 with a guest!
Impulse. Response. Fluid. Imperfect. Patterned. Chaotic. All words to describe this podcast, but also uttered by Nathan describing the brain of his ultimate creation; Ava. But can Ava pass as human? Let's find out as we delve into Alex Garland's (sort-of!) directorial debut, EX MACHINA!
My guest for this episode wasn't lucky, he was chosen. I had to use all of my self-awareness, imagination, manipulation, sexuality and empathy to be joined by the terrific Jack Chambers-Ward from Sequelisers, who was made to be on this podcast talking about Ex Machina.
Despite all of his work so far, Ex Machina might very well be Alex Garland's masterpiece. A complex, character-driven piece, on the power of nature vs future, nature vs nurture and man vs object of desire.
Basically this movie and this episode.... is all about Kyoko. Kyoko is the key. Don't believe us? Listen in and we'll explain why....
If you've created a conscious machine, it's not the history of man. That's the history of gods.
The YouTube video we mention several times, by Shaun, is titled How Wikipedia Got Ex Machina (2014) Wrong and is available here
Jack (@jlwchambers) hosts Sequelisers alongside Matt Stogdon and Tim Maytom. You can find their back catalogue of brilliant episodes in your podcast app of choice, and they're on Twitter as @Sequelisers
(Episode originally released 18th August 2022)
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From the Archive
There's no new episode this week, so I thought you might be interested in revisiting this slightly older, but no less brilliant episode. Just bear in mind, this episode is several years old, it may not sound quite as polished as newer episodes, and new information may have come to light in recent years with regards to the making of this movie (please see above for the original date of release)

Please enjoy this time capsule of an episode. Thanks for listening!

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In 1992, a little-known Philip K. Dick short story was optioned as a sequel to Total Recall, with Arnold Schwarzenegger set to reprise his role. After a decade of Hollywood turbulence, involving a studio bankruptcy, a directorial hand-off, and two blockbusters that kept getting in the way, Steven Spielberg was finally behind the camera on what would become one of the most visually inventive science fiction films ever made: Minority Report.
A sequence of remarkable events would lead to Tom Cruise passing a script to Spielberg that kick-started a collaboration ten years in the making. Jan de Bont, fresh off Speed and Twister, was briefly attached as director before quietly fading from the project; and the delays caused by Mission: Impossible 2 and A.I. Artificial Intelligence paradoxically gave Spielberg and his team the time to make the film better, and make the film way more prescient than any other cinematic dystopian utopia future.
In the world of Minority Report, predicting crime before it happens raises serious moral and ethical questions. The Precogs, while gifted, are treated more like tools than human beings, in a system that claims to prevent crime but at what cost to individual freedom?
Minority Report had the world's first fully digital production design, a sixteen-person think tank of scientists and futurists who designed the world of 2054, and ILM's groundbreaking effects work blending physical model-making with cutting-edge CGI.
And... Tom Cruise runs. A lot.
(You're not seeing double! This episode had to be reissued due to an issue with Spotify. They couldn't fix it their end, so the episode has been re-released instead. Apologies for any confusion!)
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In 1992, a little-known Philip K. Dick short story was optioned as a sequel to Total Recall, with Arnold Schwarzenegger set to reprise his role. After a decade of Hollywood turbulence, involving a studio bankruptcy, a directorial hand-off, and two blockbusters that kept getting in the way, Steven Spielberg was finally behind the camera on what would become one of the most visually inventive science fiction films ever made: Minority Report.
A sequence of remarkable events would lead to Tom Cruise passing a script to Spielberg that kick-started a collaboration ten years in the making. Jan de Bont, fresh off Speed and Twister, was briefly attached as director before quietly fading from the project; and the delays caused by Mission: Impossible 2 and A.I. Artificial Intelligence paradoxically gave Spielberg and his team the time to make the film better, and make the film way more prescient than any other cinematic dystopian utopia future.
In the world of Minority Report, predicting crime before it happens raises serious moral and ethical questions. The Precogs, while gifted, are treated more like tools than human beings, in a system that claims to prevent crime but at what cost to individual freedom?
Minority Report had the world's first fully digital production design, a sixteen-person think tank of scientists and futurists who designed the world of 2054, and ILM's groundbreaking effects work blending physical model-making with cutting-edge CGI.
And... Tom Cruise runs. A lot.
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In 1986, a clunky, tank-treaded robot, hungry for input, stole the hearts of cinema audiences worldwide. Short Circuit, the sci-fi comedy that gave us one of cinema's most beloved mechanical characters, might not be your first choice when you think of AI in cinema, but it is this podcast's first choice in AIpril.
Director John Badham convinced a room full of designers, including legendary visual futurist Syd Mead, the man behind the look of Blade Runner and Tron, to design something genuinely unlike anything seen on screen before, built by ex-Green Beret Eric Allard and a team of mechanics. The result? A robot so convincing that audiences genuinely believed Number Five was alive.
Number Five remains a remarkable achievement in robotic design, conceived to be able to show a range of emotions, and voiced by Tim Blaney. He was the star of the show, so much so he got the same respect on set any major actor would, including hugs every morning.
But while Johnny Five, as he named himself, remains a high point of the movie, the movie itself has faced criticism in the years after its release, for casting Fisher Stevens, a white Jewish actor, to play the Indian character Ben in brownface; a decision that both Stevens and John Badham regret.
Where AI is concerned, much of science fiction is now becoming science fact. In 2022, a Google chatbot claimed it was also alive, and feared being switched off, however that was quickly debunked by experts. Can AI ever truly be alive? Can AI have a soul? Johnny Five not only learns empathy, compassion, and defies his war machine programming, he reminds us all that life is not a malfunction.
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