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Wall Street wants to come onchain, but public-by-default finance creates a problem institutions cannot ignore. ETH Systems co-founders Mo Jalil and Oskar Thoren join David to explain why privacy may be one of Ethereum’s biggest institutional unlocks, what banks and asset managers are actually asking for, and why the opportunity goes far beyond private payments.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 ETH Systems
1:34 The Founders
5:28 Institutional Privacy
12:43 Real-World Use Cases
21:19 From Bespoke to Scalable
30:22 Building the Product
33:40 Institutions Are Coming
35:40 The Future of Institutional DeFi
40:24 Privacy vs Transparency
46:51 What Ethereum Can Do?
49:54 Cypherpunks and Institutions

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RESOURCES

Oskar Thoren
https://x.com/oskarth

Mo Jalil
https://x.com/motypes

EthSystems
https://x.com/eth_systems

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The stock market is coming onchain. Jesse Pollak joins David to unpack Coinbase Tokenized Stocks, a new push to bring one-to-one equities onto Base with 24/7 trading, dividends, governance rights and permissionless onchain composability. They explore what happens when stocks plug directly into DeFi, why borrowing and lending may matter more than trading itself, how neobanks could evolve into global brokerages, and Jesse’s bigger vision for Base as the financial backend for stocks, payments, credit and local currencies around the world.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Coinbase Brings Tokenized Stocks to Base
5:17 Permissionless Stocks and the First Assets Going Live
10:11 Plugging Stocks Into Base DeFi
17:52 From Tokenized Stocks to Neo Brokerages
23:32 Crypto as a Global Financial System
27:20 What Builders Can Create With Onchain Stocks
32:04 Bringing Every Currency Onchain
42:47 Jesse’s Role at Base and the Everything Exchange
49:50 Tokenized Stocks Beyond Base
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Jesse Pollak
https://x.com/jessepollak
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BitMine is within reach of owning 5% of ETH after more than 60 consecutive weeks of purchases, and Tom Lee believes the larger Ethereum trade may only be beginning. He joins David to explain how BitMine accumulated nearly 5% without debt, why it sometimes chooses stock buybacks over additional ETH, what happens when the target is reached, and whether the company would ever sell.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 BitMine’s Rapid March Toward 5% of ETH
3:36 More Than 60 Consecutive Weeks of ETH Purchases
5:29 Where BitMine’s Capital Comes From
8:27 What Happens When BitMine Reaches 5%?
13:47 Would BitMine Ever Sell Its ETH?
15:29 Maven and BitMine’s Evolution Beyond a Treasury Company
16:52 Ethereum’s Next Narrative
23:06 Does Ethereum Actually Capture Value?
29:13 Is ETH a Store of Value or a Cash-Flowing Asset?
35:19 What BitMine Has Learned From Michael Saylor
37:42 Why BitMine Issued BMNP
42:13 The Proposal That Could Reduce Staking Yield to Zero
47:54 Funding Ethereum Foundation Spinouts
53:23 BitMine’s Role in Ethereum’s Future
1:02:14 Is AI Crowding Crypto Out of the Market?
1:05:11 Has the Crypto Market Already Bottomed?
1:06:18 Tom Lee’s ETH Price Outlook
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Tom Lee
https://x.com/fundstrat
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Crypto just had one of its biggest breakout days in years. Ryan and David unpack the Treasury’s QE-like move, the White House and SEC’s crypto push, ETH’s violent rebound, and whether this rally finally broke the back of the bear market.

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TIMESTAMPS & RESOURCES

0:00 Intro

0:08 Crypto Market Breakout: BTC, ETH & ETFs

https://x.com/Matt_Hougan/status/2090070306199089249

https://x.com/HHorsley/status/2090198850485338569

https://x.com/jonnym1ller/status/2090196488500723745

https://x.com/TheBlockCo/status/2089338657605898711

17:14 White House Pumps Crypto

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/2090152688302411815

https://x.com/Bankless/status/2090449581171454021

https://x.com/ChairmanSelig/status/2090159414170771778/video/1

https://x.com/tradfi/status/2090154939675021396

22:40 Treasury's QE-Like Move

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0607

https://x.com/Hedgeye/status/2090058257180029345

https://x.com/biancoresearch/status/2090065814581911653

https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2090212967317115053

https://x.com/fejau_inc/status/2090071008652980699

31:42 Did the Bear Market Just End?

40:58 SEC Unveils New Crypto Rules

https://x.com/SECGov/status/2089784594409103507

https://x.com/SECPaulSAtkins/status/2089788275913322994

50:53 Stablecoins Get Accounting Boost

https://www.fasb.org/news-and-meetings/in-the-news/fasb-seeks-public-comment-on-proposal-to-enhance-cash-equivalents-disclosures-and-clarify-the-cash-equivalents-evaluation-for-certain-digital-assets-425287

https://x.com/TrustlessState/status/2090230682781938071

https://x.com/austincampbell/status/2090231550080094599

53:01 Crypto Apps & DeFi Momentum

https://x.com/ErikVoorhees/status/2089375845425287610

https://x.com/business/status/2089077253778915636

https://x.com/paulerlanger/status/2089733900109021486

https://x.com/TrustlessState/status/2090140422513348899

https://x.com/Compound_xyz/status/2089386082441871388

1:01:11 Bullish Into the Close

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Ethereum may be paying too much to secure itself, and the consequences could extend far beyond a little extra ETH issuance. Jerome de Tychey, co-author of EIP-8363, and Sam Jernigan join David Hoffman to make the case for stake targeting, a proposal designed to stop Ethereum’s staking ratio from climbing indefinitely. They debate what happens if more than half of ETH becomes staked, whether today’s issuance threatens credible neutrality, why staking may be crowding out DeFi, what lower rewards could mean for ETH’s monetary premium, and whether solo stakers and institutional holders ultimately win or lose from the change. Subscribe for more conversations on Ethereum’s monetary policy and future.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Why Ethereum Needs Stake Targeting
4:27 What Actually Breaks With More ETH Staked?
9:54 The 50% Social Backstop
18:24 Ethereum’s Protocol vs. Its DeFi Economy
21:30 Is Staking Crowding Out DeFi?
26:19 Dilution, Subsidies, and ETH Price
35:46 Would Lower Rewards Hurt or Help DeFi?
49:48 What About Tom Lee and Institutional ETH Holders?
57:02 Does This Hurt Solo Stakers?
1:09:01 Why EIP-8363 Is So Contentious
1:18:10 The Final Case for Changing Issuance
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RESOURCES
Jerome de Tychey
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Sam Jernigan
https://x.com/macrosam
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