We talk staff, racism, the funding squeeze, and trust groups, on the HSJ Health Check live from the NHS Confederation conference in Manchester.
NHS Alliance CEO Ciarán Devane, who took up post two months ago, and University Hospital Tees CEO Stacey Hunter, join HSJ deputy editor Dave West.
Guests discuss the challenges of growing racism against staff, including how it can mean some minority ethnic staff don't want to work in particular parts of the country.
We also cover wider pressure on staff, as funding is squeezed and services restructure to cut costs.
And we talk about the dilemmas of the wave of trusts sharing leaders, one of whom is Stacey as CEO of two Tees foundation trusts.