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How does a country only three decades free of colonial rule end up humiliating the reigning world champions in the opening match? What happens when the last World Cup of the Cold War arrives just months after the Berlin Wall comes down? And can football ever really just be a game, when Roger Milla is dancing at a corner flag while an old world order quietly falls apart around him?
Cameroon stun the reigning champions, Gazza cries in the semi-final, and Nessun Dorma becomes the unlikely soundtrack to the end of an era — Peter and Afua go back to Italia '90.

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[0:00] Maradona, a fading empire, and a World Cup arriving as Europe's map redraws itself
[8:11] Cameroon walk out against the champions — and nobody gives them a hope in hell
[9:15] Roger Milla, at 38, becomes the tournament's most unlikely superstar
[17:04] Gary Lineker breaks Cameroonian hearts in the game of the tournament
[24:18] Gazza cries, and England fall for their most fragile genius
[26:40] Maradona, past his best, and the tragedy of peaking too soon
[31:29] Why football still fails the geniuses it creates

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What does it mean to cheer for the country that once colonised yours? Forty years on from the Hand of God, does one match still define how a nation sees itself? And when Ghana play England, who exactly is Afua Hirsch supposed to be supporting? Gary Lineker returns to relive 1986 — the Golden Boot, Maradona, and a quarter-final played four years after the Falklands War — before the conversation turns to something far more personal: identity, belonging, and what it means to wear a nation's shirt.

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[0:54] Part two: Gary Lineker on nation, identity and the beautiful game
[4:05] Forty years since the Golden Boot - and the Hand of God
[6:56] The most famous goal in World Cup history, minutes after the worst
[9:02] Afua wears her Ghana strip - and picks a side
[9:32] What it means when the coloniser plays the colonised
[16:05] Why England's diversity is now part of its story
[20:00] Racism, FIFA and the women's game - coming on Legacy Plus

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hould football and politics ever really be kept apart? What happens when the host nation is at war with one of the teams competing in its own tournament? And when FIFA hands its brand-new peace prize to Donald Trump, has the beautiful game lost the plot completely? Gary Lineker sits down with Legacy for the first of three conversations on the World Cup, drawing on forty years inside the game to explain why politics has never once stayed off the pitch.

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[0:00] Gary Lineker and forty years at the heart of the World Cup
[5:35] A history of politics gatecrashing every World Cup since Mussolini
[8:23] Inside the Kremlin: Gary on meeting - and refusing to meet - Putin
[14:23] Afua's own US visa troubles, and whether Gary's could be next
[15:46] The White House note nobody expected
[20:45] Would Gary refuse Trump the way he refused Putin?
[23:33] Trump in a football kit: Gary picks his position

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What happens when a World Cup final is played a few hundred metres from a torture centre? How does a newly independent nation humiliate the champions of Europe — and still get knocked out by a fix in plain sight? And when a boy from the slums of Buenos Aires beat England with his fist, was it the cruellest cheat in football — or perfect revenge? Afua and Peter follow the World Cup through its darkest decade — Argentina's generals roaring at finals while prisoners vanish next door, Algeria's reckoning with Europe, and a kid called Maradona turning a single match into a settling of old scores.

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[0:00] A torture centre, a stadium, and the cheers that drowned out the screams
[4:20] The general who seized power two years before kick-off
[6:12] The final played within earshot of the 'death flights'
[13:50] An African side wins a World Cup match for the very first time
[15:40] Argentina need six goals against Peru — and somehow get them
[17:38] The Dutch players who refused to shake a dictator's hand
[20:35] Algeria stun West Germany, then watch Europe close ranks
[29:29] The Hand of God, and a goal that settled an old score

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What turns a football team into a country's most powerful weapon? How does a game invented to entertain end up laundering the reputations of dictators? And when seventy years of European control collapsed in a single afternoon's vote — who took the game, and what did they want with it? From the sunlit genius of Brazil in 1970 to a backroom ballot in Frankfurt, Peter and Afua track the moment football slips out of European hands — and everyone, from newly free nations to military juntas, lunges to grab it.

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[0:00] The greatest team ever to play — and the regime that basked in them
[3:56] Apartheid South Africa digs in while the rest of the world breaks free
[8:34] The Brazilian swimmer who saw what Europe refused to
[13:30] Mexico 1970: sunshine, colour TV, and football reborn as carnival
[15:30] England's captain, accused of nicking a bracelet in Bogotá
[18:38] Pelé becomes the most famous man alive — for a government that tortures
[22:17] Zaire arrive, the leopard-print rebellion begins
[30:52] One vote in Frankfurt ends seventy years of European rule

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Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com
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