Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl

This week, we’re sharing a compilation of some of our favorite segments from previous episodes on the healing power of creativity, exploring how music, writing, and art can support us in our lives and on our healing journeys.

Tune in to watch Thomas in conversation with legendary musician Alanis Morissette, poet and philosopher David Whyte, bestselling author Cheryl Strayed, and essayist and novelist Pico Iyer.

Topics include how collective creative experiences amplify connection, allowing what moves you to break your heart, the healing inherent in writing your truth, and how to channel the artistic impulses lying dormant within you.

1:16 - Alanis Morissette
9:42 - David Whyte
25:15 - Cheryl Strayed
33:31 - Pico Iyer

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:
👉 https://youtu.be/W_5_bYgO5B4
Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

Here are the links to watch or listen to the full episodes that these clips were taken from:
🎬 Segment 1 features Alanis Morissette from the episode “Journey of Empowerment” 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/alanis-morissette-journey-of-empowerment
🎬 Segment 2 features David Whyte from the episode "The Vulnerable Choice of Breaking Our Hearts Open" 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/david-whyte-the-vulnerable-choice-of-breaking-our-hearts-open
🎬 Segment 3 features Cheryl Strayed from the episode “Writing the Story of Your Healing” 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/cheryl-strayed-writing-the-story-of-your-healing
🎬 Segment 4 features Pico Iyer from the episode “The Alchemy of Stillness” 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/pico-iyer-the-alchemy-of-stillness

Join Thomas LIVE on October 18 for a free practitioner training: ✨Working With the Energetic & Spiritual Principles of Trauma Healing✨

Refine your perception and strengthen your inner awareness to uncover the deeply hidden patterns that act as barriers to healing.

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For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

✨ Alanis Morissette is a Grammy Award-winning artist, host of the Conversation with Alanis Morissette podcast, and passionate advocate for mental health and female empowerment. Her advocacy includes a wide range of endeavors focused on returning to wholeness, self-growth, and the psychological and spiritual healing of trauma. 👉 https://alanis.com/

✨ David Whyte is a poet and author of twelve books of poetry and five books of prose. David holds a degree in Marine Zoology and brings this wealth of experience to his poetry, lectures, and workshops. Through his work, David creates a bridge between normally mutually exclusive areas: the world of readings, the psychological and theological worlds of philosophical enquiry, and the world of vocation, work, and organizational leadership. 👉 https://www.davidwhyte.com

✨ Cheryl Strayed is the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail, which was adapted into an Oscar-nominated film. Her other books include Tiny Beautiful Things, Torch, and Brave Enough. Her work has appeared in The Best American Essays, The New York Times, and Vogue, among others. Also a podcast host and playwright, Strayed lives in Portland, Oregon. 👉 https://www.cherylstrayed.com

✨ Pico Iyer is the author of 17 books of fiction and nonfiction, translated into 23 languages, on subjects ranging from globalism and mysticism to the Dalai Lama. He is a longtime essayist for Time, The New York Times, and over 250 publications worldwide. Born in Oxford to Indian parents, he was educated at Eton, Oxford, and Harvard, and has lived in Japan since 1987. 👉 https://picoiyerjourneys.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.
In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:
Website: https://thomashuebl.com/
Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com
Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:
👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.com

Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:
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This week, Thomas sits down with author and speaker Danielle LaPorte to discuss how personal transformation and collective healing intersect through spiritual awareness.

In this inspiring conversation, Danielle shares how she’s learned to stop resisting fear and move beyond spiritual bypassing to achieve what she calls “heart-centered integration.”

She and Thomas share practical wisdom on using breath, sound, and deep relational connections to support the healing process, and dive deep into the power of gentleness to anchor us in love and collective unity.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:
👉 https://youtu.be/QuEK2dcYUtM
Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

Join Thomas LIVE on October 18 for a free practitioner training: ✨Working With the Energetic & Spiritual Principles of Trauma Healing✨

Refine your perception and strengthen your inner awareness to uncover the deeply hidden patterns that act as barriers to healing.

Sign up for free 👉 https://innerscienceofhealing.com/event/

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

✨ Danielle LaPorte is the former director of a future studies think tank in Washington, DC, where she managed a team creating global scenarios. She now speaks about the intelligence of the heart. She is the author of several books and the producer of dozens of meditation kits and online programs for spiritual support. Danielle is the creator of the Heart-Centered Membership and the Heart-Centered Leadership Program, with 400+ leaders in 30 countries hosting conversation circles, retreats, and workshops in all kinds of communities and businesses. She hosts the podcast With Love, Danielle.

Connect with Danielle 👉 https://daniellelaporte.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.
In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:
Website: https://thomashuebl.com/
Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com
Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:
👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.com

Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:
👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9

This week, Thomas shares the warning signs of chronic overwhelm that can indicate that you’re headed towards burnout and critical steps you can take to reduce stress and restore balance.

He explains that there’s a spectrum ranging from overwhelm to burnout, and why the signposts along the way (like being unable to relax) are so easy to miss, especially when you have a history of trauma.

On this journey, he stresses how essential it is that we learn to embrace discomfort, and shares the key pillars for preventing burnout, which include things like relational regulation, strengthening your sense of your body, having a regular spiritual practice, and finding ways to nourish joy.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:
👉 https://youtu.be/68rEeGtzl74
Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.
In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:
Website: https://thomashuebl.com/
Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com
Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:
👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.com

Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:
👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9

This week, Thomas explores the lenses through which we see ourselves and how facing (rather than avoiding) difficulties opens the door to stronger purpose, deeper spiritual connection, and greater healing.

He shares how to access a sustainable well of energy as you face challenges in the process of healing, and how to use this inner momentum to fuel your personal and spiritual growth.

He also examines the role of mirroring in the relational component of healing, how to identify and integrate our unconscious biases and defense mechanisms, and how embracing your inner purpose can reduce stress, enable grounding, and transform anxiety into curiosity.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:
👉 https://youtu.be/XGSoEkmjpUM
Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.
In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:
Website: https://thomashuebl.com/
Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com
Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:
👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.com

Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:
👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9

This week, Thomas sits down with legendary musician and mental health advocate Alanis Morissette to explore trauma healing for highly sensitive people and what it means to lead with empathy.

Alanis graciously and vulnerably shares about her personal healing journey, discussing the somatic and therapeutic tools that helped with her anxiety, work addiction, and burnout, and helped her prioritize rest and nervous system regulation.

She and Thomas discuss our collective need for trauma-informed leadership, how to foster deep relational safety to facilitate healing, and the slow but powerful process of reconnecting to your body and reclaiming your creativity in the process of healing from trauma.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:
👉 https://youtu.be/4Sp4hFRda-A
Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Join Thomas and leading psychologists, clinical practitioners, artists, teachers, and cultural leaders for ✨ Healers on Healing ✨, a free online event from September 17-19.

Dr. Sharon Salzberg, Michael Meade, Dr. Mariel Buqué, and more will engage in ten in-depth conversations exploring how healing happens, what we experience, and how it shapes the future.

Learn more and sign up for free here 👉 https://conversationsonhealing.com

✨ Alanis Morissette is a Grammy Award-winning artist, host of the Conversation with Alanis Morissette podcast, and passionate advocate for mental health and female empowerment. Her advocacy includes a wide range of endeavors focused on returning to wholeness, self-growth, and the psychological and spiritual healing of trauma. She has led workshops at UCLA, Esalen, and Omega Institute, and shared the stage with many of today’s great thinkers and change agents, including Oprah Winfrey and Arianna Huffington.

Connect with Alanis here 👉 https://alanis.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.
In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:
Website: https://thomashuebl.com/
Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com
Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:
👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.com

Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:
👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9