Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl

This week, Thomas shares the warning signs of chronic overwhelm that can indicate that you’re headed towards burnout and critical steps you can take to reduce stress and restore balance.

He explains that there’s a spectrum ranging from overwhelm to burnout, and why the signposts along the way (like being unable to relax) are so easy to miss, especially when you have a history of trauma.

On this journey, he stresses how essential it is that we learn to embrace discomfort, and shares the key pillars for preventing burnout, which include things like relational regulation, strengthening your sense of your body, having a regular spiritual practice, and finding ways to nourish joy.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:
👉 https://youtu.be/68rEeGtzl74
Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.
In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:
Website: https://thomashuebl.com/
Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com
Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:
👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.com

Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:
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This week, Thomas explores the lenses through which we see ourselves and how facing (rather than avoiding) difficulties opens the door to stronger purpose, deeper spiritual connection, and greater healing.

He shares how to access a sustainable well of energy as you face challenges in the process of healing, and how to use this inner momentum to fuel your personal and spiritual growth.

He also examines the role of mirroring in the relational component of healing, how to identify and integrate our unconscious biases and defense mechanisms, and how embracing your inner purpose can reduce stress, enable grounding, and transform anxiety into curiosity.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:
👉 https://youtu.be/XGSoEkmjpUM
Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.
In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:
Website: https://thomashuebl.com/
Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com
Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:
👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.com

Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:
👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9

This week, Thomas sits down with legendary musician and mental health advocate Alanis Morissette to explore trauma healing for highly sensitive people and what it means to lead with empathy.

Alanis graciously and vulnerably shares about her personal healing journey, discussing the somatic and therapeutic tools that helped with her anxiety, work addiction, and burnout, and helped her prioritize rest and nervous system regulation.

She and Thomas discuss our collective need for trauma-informed leadership, how to foster deep relational safety to facilitate healing, and the slow but powerful process of reconnecting to your body and reclaiming your creativity in the process of healing from trauma.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:
👉 https://youtu.be/4Sp4hFRda-A
Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Join Thomas and leading psychologists, clinical practitioners, artists, teachers, and cultural leaders for ✨ Healers on Healing ✨, a free online event from September 17-19.

Dr. Sharon Salzberg, Michael Meade, Dr. Mariel Buqué, and more will engage in ten in-depth conversations exploring how healing happens, what we experience, and how it shapes the future.

Learn more and sign up for free here 👉 https://conversationsonhealing.com

✨ Alanis Morissette is a Grammy Award-winning artist, host of the Conversation with Alanis Morissette podcast, and passionate advocate for mental health and female empowerment. Her advocacy includes a wide range of endeavors focused on returning to wholeness, self-growth, and the psychological and spiritual healing of trauma. She has led workshops at UCLA, Esalen, and Omega Institute, and shared the stage with many of today’s great thinkers and change agents, including Oprah Winfrey and Arianna Huffington.

Connect with Alanis here 👉 https://alanis.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.
In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:
Website: https://thomashuebl.com/
Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com
Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:
👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.com

Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:
👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9

This week, Thomas sits down with psychotherapist, cultural analyst, author, and educator Dr. Laura Calderón de la Barca to discuss the growing global movement for collective trauma healing and explore why addressing our shared wounds is vital to addressing today's biggest systemic crises.

They dive deep into how trauma-informed media can decrease cultural polarization, and explain why the climate movement and contemplative spirituality must become trauma-informed to activate the global immune system and liquefy the frozen trauma that’s holding us back from real progress, presence, and authentic spiritual growth.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:
👉 https://youtu.be/4Sp4hFRda-A
Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Join Thomas and leading psychologists, clinical practitioners, artists, teachers, and cultural leaders for ✨ Healers on Healing ✨, a free online event from September 17-19.

Dr. Sharon Salzberg, Michael Meade, Dr. Mariel Buqué, and more will engage in ten in-depth conversations exploring how healing happens, what we experience, and how it shapes the future.

Learn more and sign up for free here 👉 https://conversationsonhealing.com

✨ Dr. Laura Calderón de la Barca is a psychotherapist, cultural analyst, author, and educator. She provides professional training, educational material, and research, and has offered presentations on various national media in Mexico and Canada. She has studied with Thomas Hübl since 2016, has participated in the last three Collective Trauma Summits as a panelist and then a host, facilitated the Latin American, Mexican, and Colombian Collective Trauma Exploration Labs, and hosts BIPOC spaces in courses offered by Thomas.
Learn more and connect with Laura here: https://www.terapiaparamexico.com/english/aboutus.html

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.
In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:
Website: https://thomashuebl.com/
Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com
Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:
👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.com

Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:
👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9

This week, meditation experts Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders are back for a conversation with Thomas on the important role of meditation in a committed spiritual practice and how to embody a meditative state in everyday life.

They discuss the relationship between meditative and spiritual practices and trauma healing, how to connect to and receive guidance from your inner heart space, and how your practice can transcend silent sitting to become a conduit for spiritual growth and deeper intuition.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:
👉 https://youtu.be/NLzsOcIViE8
Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Join Susanne and Martin this fall for their new 4-week meditation course - ✨ Embodying Meditation: Living Your Practice ✨

This immersive 4online course invites you to step beyond the limits of your daily to-do list and the repetitive patterns of the mind.

Explore how to transition from the effort of “doing” meditation to the grace of living your practice—transforming it into the foundation for how you show up in the world.

Learn more and join the course here 👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course-sept-2026

You can also join Thomas and leading psychologists, clinical practitioners, artists, teachers, and cultural leaders for ✨ Healers on Healing ✨, a free online event from September 17-19.

Dr. Sharon Salzberg, Michael Meade, Dr. Mariel Buqué, and more will engage in ten in-depth conversations exploring how healing happens, what we experience, and how it shapes the future.

Learn more and sign up for free here 👉 https://conversationsonhealing.com

Explore more teachings and meditations from Martin and Susanne via their co-founded organization, Make Space for Grace 👉 https://www.makespaceforgrace.de ... and on their YouTube Channel 👉 http://www.youtube.com/@MeditationEnglish

✨ Susanne Ahlendorf is a non-medical practitioner for psychotherapy, a group leader for meditation and Inner Science practice, who accompanies people on their personal and spiritual development path. For her, meditation is a way of unfolding love in life.

Connect with Susanne here:
👉 https://www.susanneahlendorf.de

✨ Martin Bruders is a qualified social worker, mediator, and coach. He worked for over 28 years as a comedian and presenter at over 2000 corporate events in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. His inner exploration journey is as much about his meditation practice as it is about his daily life. He loves to permeate life deeper and deeper, always in search of intimacy with the divine; sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing.

Connect with Martin here:
👉 https://www.martinbruders.de

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.
In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:
Website: https://thomashuebl.com/
Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com
Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:
👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.com