The Divorce Podcast

In this episode, Kate is joined by Ebele Okobi, who has held senior roles at OpenAI, Meta and Nike. But in this conversation, it's her separation story that takes centre stage. And this one is different – you'll want to stay right till the end to find out why.
We talk about:
The circumstances that led Ebele to the decision to separate
How society can make it harder to do things kindly – both in divorce and co-parenting
How Ebele’s children and friends responded to the news
Why communication matters so much through separation
How certain revelations can completely change the way you see your life and your relationship
There's a big reveal at the end – and it's worth the wait.
This episode is for anyone navigating separation and looking for a story of hope – and a reminder that there's not a single right way to do this.
Trigger warning: This episode touches on content some listeners may find distressing, including violence, murder, police brutality, racial discrimination and genocide. Please take care of yourself while listening.
Meet Ebele Okobi
Ebele Okobi is the principal of Revolutionary Projects, an advisor, board member and maker of good trouble with 25 years of experience leading global teams across tech, consumer brands and arts institutions. With a background spanning corporate law, policy and the C-suite – including roles at OpenAI, Facebook/Meta, Nike and Dr. Martens – she now focuses her energy on organisations that push towards joy, justice and better worlds.
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Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation.
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Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on navigating separation with kindness, rebuilding your identity and moving forward with confidence. Find it on Amazon today.
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Divorce is an emotional journey with legal and financial consequences – but what happens when the professionals helping you through it don't understand that?
Kate is joined by Annmarie Carvalho, award-winning therapist and former family solicitor, to explore why the emotional side of divorce matters just as much as the legal side – and what that looks like in practice.
We talk about:
From solicitor to therapist – and why the emotional side of divorce drew Annmarie in
How to spot a legal professional who truly gets the emotional journey
Why the five stages of grief is a myth – and what healing post-divorce really looks like
The skills that help you navigate divorce negotiations more effectively
Practical tips to support your wellbeing during separation
This episode is for anyone going through separation who wants to feel more understood, more prepared and more in control of how they show up through the process.
Meet Annmarie Carvalho
Annmarie Carvalho is a multi-award winning therapist, trainer and public speaker. Before retraining to become a therapist, she was a family solicitor and mediator at Central London law firm Farrer & Co for over a decade.
Annmarie set up the therapy, training and coaching agency TCC in 2018 with a mission to provide better mental health support and improve psychological understanding amongst lawyers and those working in and around the legal profession.
Since then, she has worked therapeutically with hundreds of members of the legal profession and trained many more, with a goal to help those in the profession ‘stay sane’. Her first book ‘Staying Sane in Family Law’ is aimed at helping legal professionals better understand the psychological demands of family law work. 
You can learn more about Annmarie’s work on her website and you can get in touch with her on LinkedIn or on Instagram.
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Ready to take a practical next step? 
Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. 
Want ongoing support through separation?
Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on emotional readiness, navigating separation with kindness and moving forward with confidence. Find it on Amazon today.
Got a question for a future episode?
Share your thoughts at [email protected] or through direct messages on Instagram.
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Hal Cruttenden has found the funny side of divorce – most recently in his show 'Can Dish It Out But Can't Take It'. But in this conversation, he goes deeper and gets honest about what it's really been like.
Kate is joined by comedian Hal Cruttenden, who talks candidly about his own separation story – from infidelity to dating after divorce, and everything in between. 
We talk about:
How separation affects your confidence and sense of self
What lazy versus comfortable looks like in a relationship
Why friendships matter so much during divorce
Experiencing infidelity and how it shapes your co-parenting relationship going forward
Dating after divorce and learning to enjoy your own company again
This episode is for anyone navigating separation who wants an honest, warm and at times funny perspective on what life on the other side can look like.
A quick note – this episode includes open discussion of poor mental health and depression, as well as sex. Please listen with care and out of earshot of children.
Meet Hal Cruttenden
Hal Cruttenden is a stand-up comedian, actor and podcaster. In his latest show, Hal Cruttenden: Can Dish It Out But Can't Take It, he discussed the devastation of his divorce - after 20 years of marriage his wife left him. Now, three years on, Hal is determined to stick it to The Man (as long as The Man doesn’t stick it back to him). Packed with hilarious pontificating on middle-aged dating, social media, the insanity of modern politics and the fragility of marriage, Hal talks about swapping supposed security and a silver anniversary, for dating apps and the unexpected shift of being offered life advice by your kids.
You can learn more about Hal and book a ticket to his show on his website. You can also follow him on Instagram, Facebook and X to hear more about his life post-divorce. 
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Need expert help right now?
Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation.
Want ongoing support as you rebuild after separation?
Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on emotional wellbeing and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists.Start your free trial here.
Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on navigating separation with kindness, rebuilding your identity and moving forward with confidence. Find it on Amazon today.
Got a question for a future episode?
Share your thoughts at [email protected] or through direct messages on Instagram.
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Shares, crypto, business interests. Complex assets can feel like a foreign language during divorce – but with the right knowledge, they don't have to.
Kate is joined by Tom Francis, Head of Personal Finance at Octopus Money, to explore what complex assets actually are, how they're approached in a divorce settlement and how to feel confident making the most of your finances after divorce.
We talk about:
What makes an asset 'complex' – and the three levels of complexity
What can and can't be divided in a divorce settlement
What to consider when negotiating complex assets
Tips for understanding your assets and building financial confidence post-divorce
This episode is for anyone who feels overwhelmed by the financial side of divorce – and is ready to feel more in control of their future.
Meet Tom Francis
Tom is Head of Personal Finance at Octopus Money, a money advice brand for everyone. Tom spends his time designing the customer journey to deliver regulated financial advice to the many, using the best of technology and humanity. He’s a fully qualified and chartered financial planner, and before joining Octopus Money, he played a leading role in building and scaling robo-advisers in the UK, including Wealthsimple (which was later sold to Moneyfarm) and Nutmeg.
You can learn more about Octopus Money on their website. You can also hear more financial advice from Tom on the Keep the Change podcast, and follow him on Instagram for bite-sized money tips. 
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Ready to take a practical next step? 
Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. 
You can also book a free consultation with an Octopus Money expert for specialist financial guidance alongside your separation.
Want ongoing support through separation?
Kate’s book amicable divorce includes a dedicated chapter on navigating finances during separation, including reaching financial agreements based on your real needs (not just 50/50 splits) and guidance on commonly overlooked assets like pensions. Find it on Amazon today.
Got a question for a future episode?
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If you've ever felt guilty for putting yourself first, this episode is for you.
Kate is joined by Valerie Jones, author, coach and founder of The Selfish Woman movement, to explore what it really means to be a 'selfish woman' in divorce - and why reclaiming that word could be one of the most important things you do for yourself.
We talk about:
What being a 'selfish woman' really means – and why reclaiming it matters
How to rebuild self-trust when divorce has knocked your confidence
The moment Valerie knew it was time to leave her marriage
The difference between healthy guilt and the kind that holds you back
Why taking a moment to pause is one of the most powerful things you can do
Practical ways to start showing up for yourself again
This episode is for any woman who has ever put herself last – whether she’s in the middle of separation, still deciding or rebuilding life on the other side.
Meet Valerie Jones
Valerie Jones is the author of The Selfish Year, host of The Selfish Woman podcast, and founder of The Selfish Woman movement. Her work helps women let go of ‘good girl’ conditioning and people-pleasing, stop seeking external approval and build unapologetic self-trust. Valerie meets women exactly where they are and helps them show up for themselves, fully. 
You can learn more about Valerie on her website and buy her book The Selfish Year on Amazon. Complete Valerie's quiz to find out the hidden ways you might be sabotaging yourself. 
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Ready to take a practical next step?
Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation.
Want ongoing support as you rebuild after separation?
Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on navigating the emotional journey of separation, as well as practical advice to help you through every step of the process. Find it on Amazon today.
Got a question for a future episode?
Share your thoughts at [email protected] or through direct messages on Instagram.
#EmotionalJourney