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Many pro-life organizations are failing in their mission to save babies. But why? Ben Zeisloft sees not only a problem with the execution of pro-life bills and strategies, but understands them to be anemic half measures. Read on as Ben presents a case for abortion abolitionism as the answer to our nation’s abortion epidemic.
Resources to Click
“A Case for Abolitionism: The Only Way to End Abortion in America” – Ben Zeisloft
“How Pro-Life Leaders Betray the One Truth They Can’t Afford to Compromise” – Ben Zeisloft
“How the ERLC Works Against Ending Abortion” – Ben Zeisloft
#WeCount Report, April 2022 to June 2025
“An Open Letter to State Lawmakers from America’s Leading Pro-Life Organizations”
“Biblical Principles on Equal Protection of the Laws for Preborn Children” – Foundation to Abolish Abortion
“Texas Pro-Life Bill Fails to Adequately Address Self-Induced Abortion Epidemic” – Bradley Pierce
“A Case for Abortion Incrementalism” – David Closson
Theme of the Month: Abolishing Abortion, Advocating for Life
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Listen in as David Schrock & Stephen Wellum interview David Closson on his COA Longform Essay "A Case for Abortion Incrementalism"
Timestamps
00:30 – Intro
04:30 – How Did David Closson Become Impassioned about the Issue of Abortion?
06:40 – What Should People Take Away from David Closson’s Book?
09:00 – What Did Francis Schaeffer Argue For? Why Was No One Else Arguing Against Abortion?
12:36 – Anything to Be Encouraged or Discouraged By in Recent Years?
16:53 – The Differences Between Abolitionism and Incrementalism
19:00 – Is There a Way These Movements Can Work Together?
22:50 – Bill HR3755 and Abolitionists
25:50 – Are Incremental Bills More Effective?
27:47 – Is It Necessary for Pro-Life Advocates to Oppose Abolitionist Bills?
30:20 – Are Pro-Life Advocates Against Equal Protection Under the Law?
33:00 – The Different Roles of the Three Branches of Government
37:11 – Different Strategies Available to Us
40:20 – The Need for Cultural Renewal
45:05 – Has There Been Any Movement Towards an Abolitionist Bill in Texas?
48:38 – What Would Be Effective Against Chemical Abortions?
51:28 – An Area Where Abolitionists & Incrementalists Could Unite
52:35 – Are Pastors Being Trained on the Doctrine of Humanity?
55:43 – Are There Particular Places in Culture Where Christians Should Be Involved?
1:00:00 – The Responsibility Our Churches Have Toward This Issue
1:02:05 – Final Thoughts & David Closson’s Prayer
1:04:36 – Outro
Resources to Click
“A Case for Abortion Incrementallism” – David Closson
“Abortion in America After the Fall of Roe: Important Advances and Remaining Challenges” – David Closson
“We are Abolitionists” – Free the States
“Immediate, Not Gradual Abolition of Abortion” – James Silberman
“Abolitionist Perspective on the Texas Heartbeat Bill: Three Quick Observations” – James Silberman
Abolition vs Incrementalism: A Panel Discussion – The Danbury Institute
“A National Survey of Churchgoing Americans: Social Issues and Worldview” – Center for Biblical Worldview
“Planned Parenthood closes Rolla, MO facility, will continue telehealth” – Nancy Flanders
“Planned Parenthood closes 20 clinics after Medicaid cuts, warns of grim future” – Praveena Somasundaram
“Two New Studies Provide Broadest Evidence to Date of Unequal Impacts of Abortion Bans” – Blomberg School
“How Many Abortions are Occurring in America Post-Dobbs?” – Mia Steupert
Theme of the Month: Abolishing Abortion, Advocating for Life
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Books to Read
Life After Roe: Equipping Christians in the Fight for Life Today – David Closson

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Virtually all concrete and measurable gains against the abortion industry since the overturning of Roe v. Wade in 2022 have been through incremental strategies, while abolitionism has yet to result in the passage of a single law.
Resources to Click
“A Case for Abortion Incrementallism” – David Closson
“Abortion in America After the Fall of Roe: Important Advances and Remaining Challenges” – David Closson
“We are Abolitionists” – Free the States
“Immediate, Not Gradual Abolition of Abortion” – James Silberman
“Abolitionist Perspective on the Texas Heartbeat Bill: Three Quick Observations” – James Silberman
Abolition vs Incrementalism: A Panel Discussion – The Danbury Institute
“A National Survey of Churchgoing Americans: Social Issues and Worldview” – Center for Biblical Worldview
“Planned Parenthood closes Rolla, MO facility, will continue telehealth” – Nancy Flanders
“Planned Parenthood closes 20 clinics after Medicaid cuts, warns of grim future” – Praveena Somasundaram
“Two New Studies Provide Broadest Evidence to Date of Unequal Impacts of Abortion Bans” – Blomberg School
“How Many Abortions are Occurring in America Post-Dobbs?” – Mia Steupert
Theme of the Month: Abolishing Abortion, Advocating for Life
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Books to Read
Life After Roe: Equipping Christians in the Fight for Life Today – David Closson

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Listen in as the Editorial Board for Christ Over All reviews the year of 2025 and looks forward to what's coming in 2026.
Timestamps
00:17 – Intro
02:05 – Favorite Theme Cover of the Year
10:40 – Notable COA Articles Throughout the Year
24:22 – Why COA Publishes the Articles That They Do
30:58 – The Cross in the Old Testament
34:34 – The Paterfamilias
36:56 – The Nicene Creed
41:07 – One Gospel, Four Witnesses
41:50 – Get to Work: Grasping the Doctrine of Vocation
44:17 – Essential, Not Optional: Retrieving Biblical Theology
48:06 – Do the Reading: Selections in Political Theology
52:06 – Christmas Buffet
55:35 – Where COA is Going in 2026
1:05:55 – Closing Thoughts & Outro
 Resources to Click
COA Themes Page
“When Women in: Recognizing the Subtleties of Feminine Vice” – Abigail Dodds
“The Dangerous Secret Your Young Men Are Keeping: Neo-Nazi Thought Has Entered the Church” – Will Spencer
“Encore: Yuval Harari: Getting to Know the Enemy (of Humanity)” – Greg Scott
“Herbert Marcuse and the Reality of Sin” – Brad Green
“Ten Words about Words: Getting a Grip on Godly Speech” – David Schrock
“We Can’t Replace Charlie Kirk, But We Can Honor His Legacy: Five Ways to Amplify Truth, Freedom, and the American Way” – Colin Smothers & David Schrock
“The Turning Point of a Generation: Remembering Charlie Kirk” – Scott Polender
“A North Star for Our Generation: A Tribute to Voddie Baucham” – David Schrock & Trent Hunter
“A Personal Tribute to John MacArthur (1939-2025)” – Ardel Caneday
“Mark 13 is Not About Jesus’s Second Coming” – Trent Hunter
“Vocation Politics: The Discourses of Pierre de La Place” – Timon Cline
“Law is King: How the Bible Shapes Our View of Law & Civil Government” – Levi Secord
Theme of the Month: Christmas Buffet
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Books to Read
What is Critical Theory?: A Concise Christian Analysis – Bradley G. Green
Servant Not Savior: An Introduction to the Bible’s Teaching about Civil Government – Levi Secord

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Listen in as David Schrock & Stephen Wellum interview Alex Kocman on his COA Longform Essay "Was Jesus a Refugee? And Why It Matters for Immigration"
Timestamps
00:30 – Intro
04:50 – Alex’s Role in ABWE & Christmas Teaching
07:37 – What is a Refugee?
09:22 – How Do We Seek to Correctly Interpret Scripture?
11:20 – Refugees and Migration
15:10 – What Does Scripture Say in Regards to the Refugee, Sojourner, etc.?
18:00 – What Makes it Difficult to Think in Categories?
21:25 – Thinking About How These Things Affect Nationhood
25:52 – What Key Things Should We See from Matthew 2?
29:39 – What is the Main Emphasis of the Gospel of Matthew?
33:00 – What are the Dissimilarities Between Immigrant and Refugee?
36:57 – What are the Church’s and State’s Responsibilities Towards These People?
43:40 – Dr. Wellum’s Perspective on Immigration
50:26 – The Order Amoris
56:14 – Final Thoughts
57:23 – Outro
Resources to Click
“Was Jesus a Refugee? And Why It Matters for the Immigration Issue” – Alex Kocman
“Christian Nationalism Misconceptions with David Schrock & Steve Wellum” – The Missions Podcast
“Jesus Was a Refugee” – He Gets Us
“Yes, Jesus Was a Refugee” – Russell Moore
“Jesus Was a Refugee and an Immigrant” – Lindsay Popperson
“Jesus Was a Refugee” – Salt
“Pastor Defends Illegal Alien by Saying the Bible is about “God saving us through immigration”” – Not the Bee
“U.S. Code, Title 8, Aliens and Nationality ẞ1101(a)(42)” – Legal Information Institute
“Refugees: 2024” – Amanda Yap, U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security
“Desecrations, threats, and silence: anti-Christian violence grips France” – Gavin Mortimer
“Arson Attacks on Christian Churches Rise to Record High in Germany” – Kurt Zindulka
“Some migrant groups are ‘disproportionately criminal’ due to cultural factors, claims renowned Swiss forensic psychiatrist” – Thomas Brooke
“Dublin protestors clash with police, burn vehicle after migrant accused of sexually assaulting Irish girl” – Michael Dorgan
“Police accused of covering up alleged asylum seeker child rape for fear of ‘Inflaming community tensions’” – Kurt Zindulka
“British Parliament rejects inquiry in the ongoing pedophile rape-gang scandal (by a wide majority)” – Edward Teach
Theme of the Month: Christmas Buffet
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