The Next Level

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JVL and Tim did a GIANT show this week.

Uncanny Callista Gingrich.

Thom Tillis publishes his burn book.

Tucker’s running for president.

Burrito discourse.

And more!

Seriously: Instant classic. This one goes in the vault.
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Sam joins Tim and JVL to discuss:
-Live results from the (unexpectedly close) Michigan Senate primary, and discuss what an Abdul El-Sayed or Haley Stevens win would mean for November.
-The horrifying child abuse allegations against Rep. Max Miller, and his disastrous CNN interview.
-Trump's anger at Jeanine Pirro after she dropped vandalism charges related to the reflecting pool.
-Todd Blanche advancing out of the Senate Judiciary Committee
-Finally, they discuss JVL's triad about democratic socialists (meh) versus social democrats (better), and how Democrats can stop letting Republicans set the narrative of this election.
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Sarah and JVL have a It’s a super-sized, instant classic:
The Trump administration is using ChatGPT for everything.
Why are Cornyn and Tillis even bothering with their fake protest of Todd Blanche?
The Dem Senate map is looking . . . possible?
Trump has raised $800 million from “donors” since coming back to office.
And JVL finally explains why he’s obsessed with 60 Minutes investigative reporter Ross Douthat.
Plus: Emo JVL needs your advice in the comments!
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Sarah, JVL, and Catherine Rampell discuss:
- Mitch McConnell's SECOND proof of life photo, and what's really going on with him.
- The White House Correspondents' Dinner do-over, Trump's comments about Kaitlan Collins, why anyone goes to it anymore, and how the whole thing seems to be playing into Trump's hands.
- The drama inside the Democratic National Committee, and how (and whether) having a strong national party committee matters anymore.
- The proposed new primary calendar for the 2028 Democratic primaries.
- The final stretch of the Michigan Senate primary.

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Plus: Some questions for Tom Homan about shooting January 6 insurrectionists; Haley Stevens and authenticity; and the Mitch McConnell conspiracy theory. Also, a conversation about raising good men.
But the big topic is the Department of Defense suddenly removing the names of four dead soldiers from the Iran war casualty list because they were killed after Trump declared a ceasefire in April—because there are now apparently two distinct Iran wars. Even though neither of them is, for legal purposes, a “war.”
This episode is sponsored by The New York Times.