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At 40, Deb Haaland was a single mom raising her daughter on WIC, Medicaid, and food stamps, and she once broke down in tears when she was told she didn’t qualify for emergency SNAP. Now, days before Election Day, she joins the show to explain why that experience shapes how she’d govern New Mexico.
With early voting underway in the New Mexico governor race, Haaland lays out her closing argument: governors are the first line of defense against the Medicaid cuts and SNAP cuts coming from H.R. 1, the “One Big Beautiful Bill.”
She explains her plan for a day-one data center moratorium, with guardrails on water, clean energy, local hiring, and no NDAs. She also makes the case for protecting New Mexico’s first-in-the-nation universal childcare program.
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00:00 Intro
00:38 Back to school at 40
02:07 Closing argument: the first line of defense
03:23 Medicaid and SNAP cuts from the “Big Beautiful Bill”
05:43 Gas prices in an oil state
08:16 Should New Mexico suspend the gas tax?
10:05 WIC, Medicaid, food stamps: her single-mom story
16:31 “Two jobs and a GoFundMe”
17:39 Trades, apprenticeships, and 58,000 homes
21:44 Public lands, Chaco, and lawsuits
24:27 The five bills Trump signed
26:30 The day-one data center moratorium
31:06 The Biden record
34:37 Water and the Colorado River
37:41 ICE and immigration
42:12 Public safety, fentanyl, and recovery
46:06 Following Lujan Grisham
51:13 Get out the vote

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Oscar-winning documentarian, Alex Gibney joins the show to discuss Musk his newest investigation into the world's most powerful man, and possibly America’s number one grifter, Elon Musk.
Gibney shares his expertise on Musk’s early days in Silicon Valley, how he has been reliant on the US government he now hates for most of his wealth, and why the world’s richest man's biggest export is overpromising and underdelivering.

They detail Musk’s exploits at Tesla, SpaceX, and DOGE and why he might be the man we should be most afraid of.

00:00 How To Capture Elon Musk When He Won't Be Part Of Your Film
9:59 Failing Upward and Who Really Founded Tesla
15:16 Government To The Rescue
20:03 The World’s Greatest Salesman: Autopilot issues, Battery Swaps and Tax Credits
28:22 Musk’s AI Origin Story
35:35 How COVID Changed Musk Forever
41:10 Buying Twitter: From Free Speech to Propaganda Machine
51:56 DOGE: Trump, the Chainsaw and the Data Grab
1:01:22 Musk’s Family Dynamics
1:13:27 The Midterms and Power Without Purpose

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Axios co-founder and CEO Jim VandeHei joins the show to talk through how AI is changing the media industry, why he rejects the simple solutions floated by today’s politicians and how he’d handle saving legacy media institutions.

He then shares his philosophy on how to manage one’s time and business effectively as articulated in his new book book Simplify: Do 50 Percent More with 50 Percent Less co-written with his Axios co-founders, Mike Allen & Roy Schwartz

00:00 An Era As Significant As The Great Depression
2:46 Trust Loss In Institutions
6:09 The Challenge Of Breaking News In An AI World
11:42 How To Fix Business Leaders Selling Out
16:57 How Algorithms Shape Our Thinking
19:22 The Competing Incentives Between LLMs & Algorithms
22:00 Can We Shut Down AI Even If We Wanted To
25:06 How Axios Rejects The AI Binary
35:05 The Future Of Work
39:32 Working With OpenAi & Local News
43:36 Legacy Media vs. Digital Journalists
48:42 You Don't Have To Do It - An Operating Manual For Life
55:35 Our Brains & Businesses Need To Adapt To Technology’s Influence
1:01:16 How To Be An Effective Manager & Employee in 2026
1:04:39 The One Trick To Being An Effective Communicator
1:09:27 How to Fix CNN & Cable News

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Bestselling author Michael Lewis (Moneyball, The Big Short, The Blind Side) joins the show to talk about his new book, Blockers: Rebels in the Deep State, and what he found reporting on the Trump administration's war against federal civil servants.

Lewis often writes about overlooked people inside massive, misunderstood systems, from Wall Street to baseball to government scientists. In his newest work, he explains how Elon Musk's DOGE actually operated inside agencies like the IRS and NIH, why career civil servants became targets, and what happens when the trust in our government finally collapses.

Lewis's new book Blockers: Rebels in the Deep State is out now.
00:00 Opening
00:25 Talking To Bannon, Kirk And Understanding Your Enemies
7:24 Which Of Michael Lewis’s Subjects Was Most Pissed At Him
10:35 How Michael Lewis Decides On His Subjects
18:07 Who Can Tell The Story of Trump’s Second Term
24:42 The Big Question Lewis Asked Himself Before Writing Blockers
30:03 Elon Musk, DOGE & The Origin Of The Term “Blockers”
36:23 What The Hell is The US Institute of Peace?
43:22 Government Is Moneyball All Over The Place
47:45 How Trump Tries To Weaponize Data Against Undocumented Workers
54:33 Better Information Leads To Societal Progress
1:00:06 The Immigrant Who Changed How We Fight Fires vs. The Trump Chaos Machine
1:17:46 Trump vs. The NIH: Who Killed The Scientist Curing Our Diseases?
1:25:09 How People Really Deal With RFK Jr.
1:29:31 The Backdoor That DOGE Used to Fire Millions
1:34: 36 Trump is A Trust Destroying Machine & Where Trump Goes Next
1:38:16 How Permanent Is Trump’s Harm To Government?
1:45:58 How Reagan Ruined America’s Covid Response & Helped Trump Weaponize Grievance
1:51:15 A Sign Of Hope From A Former DOGE Employee
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Governor Newsom begins by sharing how his visit with Bryan Stevenson, civil rights attorney, & founder of the Equal Justice Initiative inspired recent legislation.
Live from the Legacy Museum and the National Memorial for Peace and Justice in Montgomery Alabama, Stevenson joins the podcast to discuss the politics of fear and anger and why America never reckoned with the narrative that justified slavery.

He shares how the Supreme Court might decide Brown v. Board of Education today, what the gutting of the Voting Rights Act means for Black political power, and why DEI efforts fell apart.

They then cover reparations, censorship, mass incarceration and America’s legacy when it comes to the death penalty before finally ending with a message of hope for anyone exhausted by this political moment.
00:00 A Conversation That Inspired A Bill Signing
1:10 The Politics Of Fear And Anger
4:03 Slavery's Real Evil Was the Narrative
6:26 How Narratives Change
8:20 Struggling With American Identity
13:20 Why Build a National Memory & Legacy Museum
17:35 Why The Shelby County Decision Changed Everything
25:28 Why We've Gone Backwards
31:08 How DEI Caused Resentment
37:10 What Reparations Really Means
46:30 Why Am I Responsible For Previous Generations’ Suffering?
51:01 Rewriting History & The Montgomery Bus Boycott
59:23 Could Brown v. Board Be Won Today?
1:04:45 Rev. James Lawson: Do Hard Things
1:12:17 Counter Narratives & Censorship
1:17:54 Mass Incarceration and the Death Penalty
1:35:30 Should California Commute Its Death Row?
1:39:50 What Do You Say to Victims' Families?
1:45:38 Is There Any Reason For Hope?

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