Future of Life Institute Podcast

Annie Jacobsen is an author and journalist. She joins the podcast to discuss biological war and her book Biological War: A Scenario. The conversation examines how lab accidents or covert weapons work could trigger a fast-moving outbreak, why airborne pathogens are hard to detect early, and how AI may lower barriers to engineering them. We also cover BSL-3 and BSL-4 lab oversight, US response roles across HHS, FEMA, and the military, medical stockpiles, continuity-of-government plans, and how lost public trust could slow the next pandemic response.

LINKS:
Annie Jacobsen Website
Annie Jacobsen Wikipedia

CHAPTERS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:10) Biological threat overview

(09:02) Suppression and spread

(17:47) AI and detection

(27:24) BSL lab dangers

(39:23) Response and martial law

(47:28) Accident versus attack

(57:25) Airborne outbreak lessons

(01:05:07) Bioweapons ban legacy

(01:11:30) Stockpiles and devolution

(01:20:07) Rebuilding pandemic resilience

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Paul-Enguerrand Fady is a Senior Biosecurity Policy Manager at the Centre for Long-Term Resilience. He joins the podcast to discuss how AI is changing biosecurity. We cover how new tools could help defenders develop vaccines and diagnostics while also lowering barriers to misuse, and how managed access, know-your-customer checks, and DNA synthesis screening can reduce risk. The conversation also examines mirror life, medical supply chains, stockpiles, and why governments should plan ahead of crises.

LINKS:
Centre for Long Term Resilience

Paul-Enguerrand Fady Profile

CHAPTERS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:11) Offense-defense balance basics

(11:13) Defensive AI opportunities

(19:24) Model release and evals

(25:59) DNA synthesis screening

(36:14) Screening incentives and infohazards

(46:36) Liability and mandates

(52:37) Mirror life risks

(01:03:28) Persistence and incentives

(01:10:18) Mirror life governance

(01:20:42) Supply chain lessons

(01:30:11) Stockpiling medical countermeasures

(01:37:58) Reshoring critical supplies

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David Manheim is head of methodology at AI Evaluation Consensus. He joins the podcast to discuss how AI evaluations can become more reliable, transparent, and useful for decisions. We cover common failures such as unclear reporting, training to the test, benchmark saturation, and models changing behavior when they know they are being tested. The conversation also examines real-world tests, biosecurity, persuasion, forecasting, human oversight, and why even “normal” AI progress could be disruptive.
LINKS:
David Manheim website
AI Evaluation Consensus Statement

CHAPTERS:
(00:00) Episode Preview
(01:04) Evaluation consensus project
(07:01) Evaluation awareness challenges
(12:28) Reporting capabilities clearly
(19:38) Benchmarks beyond humans
(29:52) Proxies and biosecurity
(42:01) Persuasion and democracy
(53:59) Forecasting with AI
(01:08:44) Oversight and disruption
(01:16:42) Supporting better evals
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Randi Weingarten is president of the American Federation of Teachers. She joins the podcast to discuss AI in education. The conversation covers how screens and student-facing AI may weaken attention, learning, and trust, why she supports limiting screens for young children and social chatbots for students under 16, and how teachers can use AI without replacing thinking. She also discusses active learning, data privacy, independent research on AI in education, and guardrails for schools.

LINKS:
Randi Weingarten Wikipedia
AFT Randi Weingarten Profile
American Federation of Teachers

CHAPTERS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:13) AI education wake-up

(07:27) Active learning versus AI

(14:42) Preserving thinking habits

(20:06) Research and screen limits

(26:05) Social chatbot risks

(30:20) Data privacy standards

(35:58) Classroom AI guardrails

(41:13) Companies and future schools

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Dex Hunter-Torricke is founder of the Centre for Tomorrow. He joins the podcast to discuss why AI governance needs to move beyond technical fixes. The conversation covers how AI companies make decisions, why policymakers often misunderstand agents and economic change, and how automation could reshape jobs, welfare, taxation, and global trade. Dex argues that societies need broader political planning before a crisis drives rushed choices.

LINKS:
Dex Hunter-Torricke Website
Center for Tomorrow Website

CHAPTERS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:09) Dex's technology journey

(08:22) Broken AI governance

(18:00) Big tech blindspots

(27:36) Employee power shifts

(37:18) Global views and UBI

(48:17) Power and displacement

(01:00:54) Reasons for optimism

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