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How to Have a Bloody Good Conversation

Sarah Wright & Dr Victoria Stakelum
How to Have a Bloody Good Conversation
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    The Art of Rapport: How To Build Instant Connection With Anyone

    07/05/2026 | 1h 9 mins.
    Do you find talking to strangers a challenge?
    You're not alone.
    Researchers at the University of Chicago put commuters on trains and buses and asked some of them to strike up a conversation with the stranger next to them. The ones who did reported significantly happier journeys, every single time. And yet when they asked a separate group beforehand whether they’d enjoy it, almost everyone said no. They predicted feeling awkward or unwanted. They were wrong, but the fear was so convincing, they believed it anyway.
    And yet, for the sake of your health and sanity, you need to find a way to overcome that fear of striking up a conversation and building rapport - connecting - with anyone.
    One in six people worldwide is now affected by loneliness. Around 100 deaths happen every hour as a result. The WHO has declared social connection a public health crisis on a par with obesity and smoking. And yet 75% of us say nothing replaces human connection. We have more ways to reach each other than any generation that has ever lived and we are lonelier than ever.
    In this episode, hosts Sarah Wright and Dr Victoria Stakelum are joined by Anitra Irrera - BBC Radio Kent broadcast journalist, reporter and producer - to explore the art and science of rapport: what it actually is, why we find it so terrifying, and what it takes to build genuine connection with a complete stranger. Anitra has spent her career doing the thing most of us dread - walking up to people she has never met and getting them to open up, whether that’s a grieving family, a hostile politician, or a reluctant celebrity who clearly doesn’t want to be there.
    This episode covers the neuroscience of eye contact, smiling, and mirror neurons; why mirroring someone’s energy and pace builds instant trust (and why this is both a teaching tool in NLP and, some would argue, a dark art); how the fear of rejection is wired into us at a survival level, and how to override it; the Norwegian approach to directness and what the British can learn from it; why digital connection is not the same as the real thing neurologically; and the single most powerful thing you can do to build rapport with anyone, anywhere. Spoiler alert - it involves swearing but not in the way you might think.
    If you’ve ever found yourself staring at your phone to avoid making eye contact on the tube, this one’s for you. Because every person you’ve ever loved was once a stranger. Every single one.
    Guest
    Anitra Irrera - BBC Radio Kent broadcast journalist, reporter and producer. Originally from Bergen in Norway, Anitra holds a degree in Psychology and Anthropology and has spent her career building rapport under pressure: from music interviews to political reporting to live broadcasting. She is also a teacher.
    Contact
    Be part of the conversation. If you have a conversational conundrum or a question, please do get in touch via our email: [email protected].
    References
    Research mentioned in this episode
    University of Chicago commuter study - Epley & Schroeder (2014), ‘Mistakenly seeking solitude’, Journal of Experimental Psychology: General
    WHO report on loneliness as a global public health priority (2023)
    Mirror neurons and social connection - Rizzolatti & Craighero (2004), Annual Review of Neuroscience
    NLP and rapport
    NLP World — introduction to matching, mirroring and rapport – https://www.nlpworld.co.uk
    Psychology Today — The Science of Rapport – https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/basics/rapport
    The 100 days of rejection experiment
    Jia Jiang – ‘Rejection Proof’ TED Talk https://www.ted.com/talks/jia_jiang_what_i_learned_from_100_days_of_rejection
    Loneliness and social connection
    WHO — Social isolation and loneliness – https://www.who.int/teams/mental-health-and-substance-use/promotion-prevention/social-connection
    Campaign to End Loneliness (UK) – https://www.campaigntoendloneliness.org
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    The Conversation You’re Having At 3AM (And How To Change It)

    07/04/2026 | 1h 5 mins.
    The Conversation You're Having At 3Am (And How To Change It)

    You know the one. It starts the moment you wake up at 3am, or maybe it’s the reason you woke up in the first place. Not good enough. Not clever enough. Not doing enough. Most of us are having a conversation with ourselves that we would never tolerate from another person. And it’s doing real damage: to our confidence, our relationships, and for many of us, our sleep.
    In this episode, hosts, Sarah Wright and psychologist Dr Victoria Stakelum, explore why our brains default to negative self-talk, what it is physically doing to our bodies, and what we can do to change it. Victoria explains the science behind negativity bias - the evolutionary survival mechanism that causes the brain to scan for threat and, in the absence of real danger, manufacture it - and why the stories we tell ourselves at night are particularly potent. In a wakeful sleep state, the body can’t tell the difference between a real threat and a vividly imagined one. The catastrophic 3am thought spiral is, quite literally, a self-induced stress response.
    The conversation covers the physiological cost of chronic self-criticism (inflammation, disrupted sleep hormones, reduced immunity), the origins of the inner critic in childhood programming and social comparison, and the research showing that how we speak to ourselves directly shapes what becomes possible for us. Victoria also opens up about her own relationship with perfectionism and all-or-nothing thinking - a reminder that even the psychologist is working on it.
    You’ll come away with a step-by-step process for building kinder self-talk from the ground up: from the one sentence that can de-escalate a 3am spiral, to body scan techniques, to the most powerful reframe of all: responding to yourself as you would to someone you genuinely love.
    Contact
    Be part of the conversation. If you have a conversational conundrum or a question, please do get in touch via our email: [email protected].
    References
    Sarah’s book
    Get Back to Sleep: A Recovering Insomniac’s Practical Guide to Beating Insomnia – Available on Amazon

    CBT-I (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy for Insomnia)
    Sarah refers to this course that helped her: ReSleep.

    Self-talk and self-compassion
    Self-Compassion - Dr Kristin Neff’s research and free self-compassion exercises https://self-compassion.org
    Psychology Today - What Is Negative Self-Talk, and How Can You Change It? https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/basics/self-talk

    Negativity bias
    Verywell Mind - What Is the Negativity Bias? https://www.verywellmind.com/negative-bias-4589618

    Mindfulness and body scan
    NHS Every Mind Matters - Mindfulness and body scan audio guides: https://www.nhs.uk/every-mind-matters/mental-wellbeing-tips/mindfulness/
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    The Best Conversation Is The One You Have With Yourself

    10/03/2026 | 1h 8 mins.
    What if the most important conversation you'll ever have isn't with your boss, your partner, or your best friend but with yourself?

    In this episode, Sarah Wright and Dr. Victoria Stakelum explore the inner dialogue that shapes everything: your confidence, your decisions, your relationships, and your ability to have difficult conversations.
    We unpack where your inner critic comes from (spoiler: it was formed in childhood, and it thinks it's helping), how to tell the difference between fear-based chatter and genuine gut instinct, and what to do when that voice in your head is holding you back.
    You'll learn why trying to silence your inner critic backfires, what you can do so it loses its grip, and the ABC technique for regulating yourself in the moment. Plus: the surprising power of giving your inner critic a name, why affirmations can make things worse if you don't believe them, and how journaling with your non-dominant hand might unlock answers your conscious mind can't reach.
    If you've ever beaten yourself up after a meeting, talked yourself out of something you wanted, or wondered why you can't just think more positively—this one's for you.
    Topics covered:
    What a “conversation with yourself” really is and why we’re all doing it (whether we notice it or not).
    Why the tone and volume of your self-talk matters for wellbeing and relationships.
    How to spot when you’re being hijacked in a conversation (mental and physical signs).
    A simple regulation framework you can use anywhere: Awareness → Breath → Choice.
    How to work with (not against) your inner critic, including naming it and understanding what it’s trying to do for you.
    Why “positive affirmations” can backfire and how to do realism-based positivity instead.
    Practical ways to externalise your thoughts: journaling, speaking out loud, and prompts that take you deeper.

    Guest Information
    Dr. Victoria Stakelum - Psychologist & Mindset Coach
    Sarah Wright - Communications & Creative Strategist
    Victoria's Oracle Cards: Available at thesuccesssmith.com under Launchpad

    Contact / listener questions
    Have a conversational conundrum or a question sparked by this episode? Email the show at [email protected] .
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    Q&A Follow Up Episode on Emotions, Miscommunication, and Slowing Down

    24/02/2026 | 42 mins.
    Why Conversations Feel So Hard Right Now: A Q&A on Emotions, Miscommunication, and Slowing Down
    In this follow-up Q&A, communications consultant Sarah Wright and psychologist and mindset coach Dr Victoria Stakelum answer listener questions sparked by the episode “Why do conversations feel so hard right now?” Together, they explore why modern digital life speeds up our brains, how emotions and subconscious triggers derail what we’re trying to say, and what to do when miscommunication happens. You’ll hear practical tools for slowing down in high-stakes moments, regulating your nervous system, improving clarity, and bringing “clean energy” into important conversations.
    What You’ll Learn
    A simple way to slow your speaking without losing your thinking
    Why “I’m fine” rarely lands.
    The difference between regulation and repression, and how to name emotions without blaming.
    A practical NLP tool to reduce conflict and widen perspective. (NLP World)
    How modern messaging trains us into instant-response habits (and how to retrain expectations).
    How to build patience through nervous system practice.
    How to spot miscommunication early and the receiver/sender checks that prevent escalation.
    What “cup-filling conversations” look like (past, present, future), and why they matter.
    What “clean energy” is and how to stop emotional agenda hijacking outcomes.
    Resources Mentioned
    Positive Intelligence by Shirzad Chamine (referenced in the episode in the context of emotional channels / “PQ”). (Positive Intelligence)
    Perceptual Positions (NLP) – perspective-shifting technique discussed in the episode. (NLP World)
    Got a conversational conundrum you want us to unpack?
    Send your questions to [email protected].
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    Dating 101: How To Chat Up A Romantic Partner

    10/02/2026 | 1h 11 mins.
    Dating 101: How To Chat Up A Romantic Partner
    If you're dating in 2026 and wondering how to start a conversation, avoid dating fatigue, and actually find someone you're compatible with, this episode is for you.
    Sarah Wright and Dr Victoria Stakelum are joined by Lydia Hoey, matchmaking director at Maclynn International and a science-based dating coach, to talk about how modern dating is changing - including the slightly alarming rise of AI companionship (72% of American teenagers have now interacted with an AI companion, and Meta is building chatbots to fill the ‘romantic gap’) - and what still matters most: real-world connection, values, and the ability to communicate clearly.
    In this episode, we discuss how to approach modern dating with more clarity and less stress: how to define your values (properly, not just picking words), how to choose first-date settings that reduce awkwardness and increase connection, and how to avoid turning a date into an interview. You'll get practical conversation openers to keep things light and engaging, guidance on dating mindset (switching out of "work mode"), and tools for navigating the messy bits - like mixed signals, texting "rules", attachment styles, and how to end things kindly without ghosting.
    Guest
    Lydia Hoey - Matchmaking Director at Maclynn International, and a qualified science-based dating coach and matchmaker. https://maclynninternational.com/
    Contact
    Be part of the conversation. If you have a conversational conundrum or a question, please do get in touch via our email: [email protected].
    References
    Attachment styles
    Psychology Today – Relationship Attachment Style Test (UK): https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/tests/relationships/relationship-attachment-style-test
    Attachment Project – Attachment Style Quiz: https://www.attachmentproject.com/attachment-style-quiz/
    Love languages
    The 5 Love Languages® – Official Love Language Quiz: https://5lovelanguages.com/quizzes/love-language
    Communication style
    Verywell Mind – Communication Style Quiz: https://www.verywellmind.com/take-the-communication-style-quiz-7973143
    36 Questions
    This site has them all: https://ggia.berkeley.edu/practice/36_questions_for_increasing_closeness

    Films referenced
    Hitch (2005) – IMDb: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0386588/
    Swingers (1996) – IMDb: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117802/
    When Harry Met Sally... (1989) – IMDb: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098635/

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About How to Have a Bloody Good Conversation

If you want to succeed in life, you have to master the art of conversation. From dating to doing business, negotiating a pay rise to haggling over bedtimes, conversations make our world go round. The thing is, most of us were never taught how to have them well. We all learned to talk as toddlers, but mastering conversation that's a different skill entirely, and let’s be honest, most of us are winging it. So if you’ve ever found yourself tongue-tied, lost for words, or dodging a difficult chat, this podcast is for you. Join two curious conversationalists, psychologist and mindset coach Dr Victoria Stakelum and communications consultant Sarah Wright, as we explore how to have a bloody good conversation. It might just change your life.
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