Markets Outlook

Matt Hougan, Chief Investment Officer of Bitwise Asset Management, joins Jennifer Sanasie for a special edition of Markets Outlook from the New York Stock Exchange to unpack the market's overnight flip from despair to euphoria. Hougan explains why a traditional 60/40 portfolio is "100% fiat currency," why holding 0% Bitcoin has become a misallocation, and where he's allocating now. Plus, why he gives Bitcoin a good chance of reclaiming $100K this year and sees $1.3 million by 2035.

Stellar Development Foundation CEO Denelle Dixon also joins to unpack Stellar crossing $4 billion in tokenized real-world assets, a 400% jump since January.

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Timecodes:

00:00 - Matt Hougan Joins Markets Outlook

00:45 - Despair to Euphoria: What Flipped the Market

03:20 - AI Stocks vs. Bitcoin

05:49 - Brand New Rails: Stellar Crosses $4B in Tokenized RWAs

08:05 - Bitcoin, Zcash, and the Tokenization Trade

14:15 - Matt's Bitcoin Price Prediction This Year and By 2035

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Pierre Rochard, CEO of The Bitcoin Bond Company, joins Jennifer Sanasie on Markets Outlook to unpack the narratives driving crypto markets heading into Q4. From his 80K year-end price target to his rebuttal of Mark Cuban's "chips are the new crypto" take, Pierre breaks down why Bitcoin's scarcity story remains intact and why miners pivoting to AI could actually be a tailwind for Bitcoin price. Plus, Bullish's new Head of Tokenization joins to unpack what it means to be the first regulated exchange to trade tokenized equity.

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Timecodes:

00:00 - Pierre Rochard Joins Markets Outlook

00:56 - Watching the Fed and Treasury

02:14 - Pierre’s Bitcoin Price Target

02:24 - Responding to Mark Cuban: Chips vs. Bitcoin

06:01 - Why Cuban May Have Latched Onto the Wrong Narrative

07:25 - Will Retail Come Back to Bitcoin?

09:24 - Brand New Rails: Bullish Launches Tokenized Equity Trading

12:02 - Self-Custody vs. Exchanges Post-ColdCard

13:42 - The Best Ways to Get Bitcoin Exposure

15:32 - Bitcoin Miners Pivoting to AI

17:21 - Why Miners Leaving Is Actually Bullish for Bitcoin

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With Fomo posting all-time high fees in August and with roughly 100,000 daily traders, co-founder Se Yong Park joins CoinDesk Contributor Kate Irwin on Markets Outlook to unpack the Solana-to-Robinhood Chain growth story, why social finance apps like Farcaster and Zora never broke out, and how prediction markets could turn a generation of bettors into traders.

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Timecodes:

00:00 - Se Yong Park Joins Markets Outlook

01:11 - Inside FOMO's Record August in Fees

02:22 - Institutional Era, Consumer Endgame

03:43 - Solana, Robinhood Chain, and the Multi-Chain Effect

06:10 - Why Farcaster and Zora Never Broke Out

08:05 - Prediction Markets Will Turn Bettors Into Traders

09:24 - Advice for Founders: Ship Before It's Perfect

10:51 - DeFi is a Matter of When, Not If

12:39 - Regulation, Innovation Exemptions, and Building in the US

13:37 - Gen Z, New Media, and the Rise of Small Creators

15:20 - Q4 Outlook: The Next Breakout App Won't Be Crypto-Branded

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With Bitcoin surging past $72K and showing signs of a broader breakout, 10x Research CEO and Founder Markus Thielen joins Jennifer Sanasie on Markets Outlook to explain why he turned bullish early and why he believes the cycle low is already behind us. From Fed tailwinds and institutional flows to the key levels that could unlock a new all-time high, Markus breaks down what's driving the move. Plus, we look inside Symbiotic's partnership with Centrifuge to offer instant USDC liquidity.

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Timecodes:

00:00 - Markus Thielen Joins Markets Outlook

00:37 - Where Does Bitcoin End the Year?

02:02 - When Do We See a New ATH?

05:32 - Brand New Rails: Symbiotic x Centrifuge

08:44 - Is Bitcoin Still a Retail Product?

12:03 - $1 Million Bitcoin by 2030?

15:20 - On-Chain Signals to Watch Right Now

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This interview was recorded on August 19th before bitcoin's most recent rally.

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DoubleZero Edge is partnering with Kalshi to deliver Wall Street-grade market data to the world's largest CFTC-regulated prediction market. Co-Founder Austin Federa joins Jennifer Sanasie on Markets Outlook to unpack why professional infrastructure took so long to reach crypto, what the 10/10 flash crash revealed about new finance's weaknesses, and why faster data could level the playing field for every trader, not just the big firms. Plus, in today's Brand New Rails, we meet the ship captain working to bring the $2 trillion commercial shipping industry on-chain.

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Timecodes:

00:00 - Austin Federa Joins Markets Outlook

00:43 - DoubleZero x Kalshi: Inside the Announcement

02:30 - Why Wall Street Infrastructure Took So Long to Reach Crypto

04:36 - Brand New Rails: Tokenizing the $2 Trillion Shipping Industry

07:13 - Does Faster Data Hurt Retail Traders?

08:16 - Prediction Markets: More Than a Narrative

10:31 - Access, Disruption, and Federa's 2017 Thesis

12:13 - The Catalyst to Watch

13:11 - New Finance's Biggest Challenge

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This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie.