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Kevin McCullagh
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    10 Anthony Davies: The future of TV

    17/04/2025 | 1h 3 mins.
    In this episode, I talk to Anthony Davies, MD of Design at Sky and Comcast. We talk about the future TV, fixing the web, designing with and for AI and much more. As you will hear, he’s an incredibly smart, strategic, creative and humble guy, which helps to explain why he’s so highly respected.

    Finally, Anthony mentions Sky Glass, their high-end TV, with elegantly integrated software and services, and Sky Q, a set-top box system that combines satellite and broadband feeds.

    I hope you find this conversation as wise and insightful as I did.

    01:02 Career history
    04:46 Sky Glass - The TV Apple should have made
    13:09 It's all about timing - paddling before the wave comes 
    15:52 How TV and film are being produced now 
    26:45 AI's impact on content creation
    33:18  Designing shared screen experiences
    35:40 Can AI agents fix the web experience
    39:39 Personalised content
    43:33 Customisation vs making the right product call
    48:18 How TV watching is changing
    55:50 Designing with and for AI

    Anthony Davies
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    KEVIN & PLAN
    Kevin McCullagh is the founder of Plan, a product strategy consultancy based in London, which helps design and innovation leaders with strategic clarity. He writes and speaks on Foresight, Innovation and Leadership.

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    09 Tom Inns: Healthcare system design

    24/03/2025 | 1h 1 mins.
    In this episode, I talk to Tom Inns, the principal at Cofink, the system mapping, facilitation and coaching consultancy. 
    The concept of Systems design has been around for decades. I’ve even been called a Systems Thinker a few times for my sins, but I’ve always found it a bit of an esoteric and even eccentric subject. Whenever I open a book or article on the topic, I don’t get far before being hit with dense and abstract schematics. Each author also seems to have a different approach, probably because the concept of systems is used in so many different domains, from biology and software engineering to urban planning and sociology and policy.
    Tom has a refreshingly straight-forward way of talking  about the topic that includes lots of analogies and metaphors, which I think makes it much  more accessible.

    00:53 Career background
    03:45 System design
    06:40 System vs service design
    10:42 What good looks like
    18:35 System design process 
    31:47 Painting with data 
    36:34 Testing and learning 
    41:21 The craft of system design 
    46:21 Domain knowledge 
    49:11 Documentation and handover 
    54:40 Using maps to identify automation opportunities

    TOM INNES
    LinkedIn
    Website: www.cofink.co.uk
    Email: [email protected]

    Tom studied engineering at the University of Bristol, design at the Royal College of Art & Imperial College, London and has a PhD from Brunel University, awarded for research exploring the impact of design thinking on drivers of innovation success in small businesses.

    In 2000 he became Professor of Design & Head of the School of Design at the University of Dundee. He directed the AHRC/EPSRC’s UK-wide Designing for the 21st Century research initiative between 2005-2010 before becoming Dean of Duncan of Jordanstone College of Art & Design and then Director (CEO) of Glasgow School of Art from 2013 to 2018.

    In 2019 he established consultancy, COFINK Ltd., using design and systems thinking approaches to help individuals and organisations understand complex challenges and collaborate to develop innovative solutions. Through COFINK he was worked with a wide range of health trusts, charities, businesses, universities and research organisations across the UK, and in Europe, USA, China and Africa. 
    Tom also works part-time as a Research Fellow at DMEM, University of Strathclyde, (Glasgow) as a Visiting Professor at Heriot Watt University (Edinburgh & Dubai) and with Magnetic (London & Manchester) as a Design Coach for Innovate UK’s Design for Growth programme.

    Tom’s writing on topics discussed in the podcast:

    Patient_Ecosystem_Mapping_2024.pdf
    A paper Tom wrote in 2024 for the DMI’s Design Management Review. This describes the Patient Ecosystem Mapping methodology discussed in the podcast.

    Guide_to_Patient_Ecosystem_Mapping.pdf
    A short guide to how the Patient Ecosystem Mapping approach works and how Tom supports this approach through his consultancy COFINK Ltd.

    Designing_Realistic_Healthcare_Improvement_2020.pdf
    A paper Tom co-authored for the DMI’s Design Management Journal in 2020,  with ENT Consultant Surgeon, Rod Mountain, exploring how design thinking can help inform innovation in health and care

    Theatres_For_Design_Thinking_2013.pdf
    A paper Tom wrote for the DMI’s Design Management Journal in 2013 describing how design can support facilitation. 

    Other useful reading:
    The classic primer text on systems thinking (500,000 copies sold through multiple editions).
    Meadows, D. H. (2015) Thinking in Systems. Chelsea Green Publishing

    An interesting book that attempts to connect design thinking and systems thinking
    Cababa, S. (2023) Closing the Loop, Systems thinking for Designers. Rosenfield

    KEVIN & PLAN
    Kevin McCullagh is the founder of Plan, a product strategy consultancy based in London, which helps design and innovation leaders with strategic clarity. He writes and speaks on Foresight, Innovation and Leadership.

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    Website: www.plan.london
    Email: [email protected]

    MUSIC
    By Nico Delaney
    https://www.instagram.com/marksson.music
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    08 Andrew Barraclough: Maximising design’s business impact

    06/03/2025 | 46 mins.
    In this episode, I talk to Andrew Barraclough, who has held a number of corporate design leadership roles, as well as doing tours of duty in marketing and R&D and ran his own design agency. His design experience also spans industrial, packaging and digital. Partly as a result of his broad experience, he’s one of the most commercially and organizationally savvy design leaders I know.

    In this conversation, we talk about how to raise design’s impact on organisations, by developing a portfolio of stories, backed by appropriate metrics, to engage with stakeholders on a regular basis –  rather than chasing after the red herring of a single killer ROI number. Later on, he has sage advice on how to collect and contextualise measures from different parts of the business.

    We also cover his concept of ‘Design Linking’, the important internal plumbing work of connecting different design teams, initiatives, partners and stakeholders together to maximise design’s impact.

    06:48 Design ROI - a red herring
    12:55 Plotting a holistic design strategy 
    14:50 Wide and frequent stakeholder engagement 
    24:00 Aligning projects with stakeholders
    28:57 Design Linking
    37:39 Marshalling metric
    43:20 Getting out of the doldrums

    ANDREW BARRACLOUGH
    LinkedIn 

    KEVIN & PLAN
    Kevin McCullagh is the founder of Plan, a product strategy consultancy based in London, which helps design and innovation leaders with strategic clarity. He writes and speaks on Foresight, Innovation and Leadership.

    LinkedIn 
    Newsletters
    Website: www.plan.london
    Email: [email protected]

    MUSIC
    By Nico Delaney
    https://www.instagram.com/marksson.music
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    07 Nick Hunn: The future of ‘Hearables’

    20/02/2025 | 1h 10 mins.
    Welcome to season two of Product Powwow.

    In this episode, I talk to Nick Hunn, a global expert in wireless technologies and more specifically in what he calls ‘hearables’ – which are ear-based wearables. We cover a lot of ground, including audio, hearing loss, health-sensing and voice control use cases for hearables. Themes include the nuances of human perception and behaviour around this highly intimate technology, and the search for sustainable business models based on all the data wearable devices collect.

    This episode is on the longer side, but it was tough to edit down as Nick delivers ‘all killer, no filler’. I hope you enjoy it half as much as I did.

    02:05 A brief history of wearables
    03:30 In praise of ears and hearing aids
    07:15 Wearables still in the 'hope bubble'  
    17:10 The hidden genius of hearing aid
    26:30 Overcoming the stigma of hearing aids
    36:15 Is Apple going to change the game
    42:10 What the new Bluetooth LE standard unlock
    51:10 The return of voice
    57:05 Health monitoring
     1:00:30 What is Apple doing with that health data?
    1:04:45 The wider role of hearables in our tech ecosystem

    NICK HUNN
    Nick is technology strategist, serial entrepreneur, expert witness, keynote speaker and author with a broad view of the details of technologies, user experience and wider interplay of different market solutions.
    LinkedIn 
    Website: www.nickhunn.com

    KEVIN & PLAN
    Kevin McCullagh is the founder of Plan, a product strategy consultancy based in London, which helps design and innovation leaders with strategic clarity. He writes and speaks on Foresight, Innovation and Leadership.

    LinkedIn 
    Newsletters
    Website: www.plan.london
    Email: [email protected]

    MUSIC
    By Nico Delaney
    https://www.instagram.com/marksson.music
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    06 Making change happen

    08/11/2024 | 46 mins.
    Today, I talk to Katherine Farnon about her pivot from Global Head of Digital Experience Strategy & Operations at Vodafone to becoming a change management consultant. 

    As anyone with leadership experience knows, simply asking or telling people to adopt a new system, structure, process, or way of working is unlikely to have much success. Change is harder than that. As you will hear, it’s a deeply human endeavour, and systematic change management has lots of parallels with the way we design and innovate.

    This conversation follows nicely from the previous two episodes in that it explores a potential career track for some Design and Innovation leaders and, more importantly, a skill set that could integrate into their initiatives.

    01:32 Career background 
    05:30 Change management 
    10:35 Why is change so hard 
    15:23 Identifying a change project 
    22:05 Types of change 
    30:25 Change leaders 
    35:39 Juggling change with day-to-day operations
    38:39 New skills
    42:06 Knowing what you know now… 

    KATHERINE FARNON
    LinkedIn

    KEVIN & PLAN
    Kevin McCullagh is the founder of Plan, a product strategy consultancy based in London, which helps design and innovation leaders with strategic clarity. He writes and speaks on Foresight, Innovation and Leadership.

    LinkedIn
    Newsletters
    Website: www.plan.london
    Email: [email protected]

    MUSIC
    By Nico Delaney
    https://www.instagram.com/marksson.music

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