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Podcast The Debrief
The Business of Fashion
Welcome to The Debrief, a new weekly podcast from The Business of Fashion, where we go beyond the glossy veneer and unpack our most popular BoF Professional sto...

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  • What Happened to Pat McGrath Labs?
    Pat McGrath is widely regarded as one of the most influential makeup artists of all time. Known simply as ā€œMotherā€ to some in the industry, sheā€™s been behind some of the most memorable runway beauty moments for decades. In 2015, she launched her namesake brand, Pat McGrath Labs, which quickly became a beauty phenomenon ā€“ going viral with its glittering gold pigment and reaching a $1 billion valuation just two years later.But almost a decade on, the business tells a different story. With its valuation now a fraction of what it once was, high executive turnover, limited product accessibility, and internal challenges, the brandā€™s future hangs in the balance ā€“ even as McGrath's own star continues to rise with a new role as beauty director for Louis Vuitton.The Business of Beauty editor Brennan Kilbane and executive editor Priya Rao, explore what went wrong and how the business can get back on track.Key Insights: In its early years, Pat McGrath Labs thrived as a high-concept beauty brand that translated runway artistry into consumer excitement. The first product, Gold 001, was a multipurpose pressed gold pigment that sold out within minutes and crashed the website. As Kilbane describes, the brand began as ā€œa direct pipeline from her creative brain to the cosmetics market.ā€ The initial success solidified McGrathā€™s cult status ā€“ and set high expectations for what came next.When Pat McGrath's 'glass skin' look went viral after the Maison Margiela couture show, it could have been a pivotal brand moment. But the product inspired by the look ā€“ and released more than a year later ā€“ failed to maintain momentum. ā€œThey tried to capitalise on it by scheduling a masterclass a week later,ā€ says Kilbane, ā€œbut it wasnā€™t fast enough.ā€ Additionally, according to Rao, the bigger issue with late deployment was product wearability: ā€œItā€™s not something thatā€™s everyday or wearable in any capacity.ā€Pat McGrathā€™s artistry is legendary, however operationally, Pat McGrath Labs fell flat. ā€œPat McGrath Labs was Pat McGrath. She is the CEO, she is the founder, she's the creative director ā€“ the buck stops with her,ā€ says Kilbane. With final say on everything from product formulation to packaging, this all-encompassing control created a bottleneck that affected every part of the business. The result was a company where decision-making was slow and fragmented.With valuation plummeting and Sephora shelf space dwindling, both Kilbane and Rao agree that McGrathā€™s company needs a reset. ā€œDoes it need new investors? Probably,ā€ says Rao. ā€œBut it also needs leadership and operational know-how for it to actually scale. Otherwise, itā€™s going to be a pet project in comparison with what she does with Louis Vuitton.ā€ Kilbane adds, ā€œFixing the company culture is going to be integral ā€“ if not even more impactful than integral ā€“ to the brandā€™s longevity.ā€Additional Resources:What Happened to Pat McGrath Labs? | BoF Louis Vuitton to Launch Makeup Line | BoF Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Is Forever 21 Shein's Biggest Victim Yet?
    Once a dominant player in fast fashion, Forever 21 recently filed for bankruptcy for the second time in six years, marking the likely end of its run as a physical retailer. The chain, known for introducing ultra-affordable, trend-driven clothing to American malls, struggled to remain relevant as competitors like Zara, H&M, and later Shein and Temu offered faster, cheaper, and more digitally-savvy alternatives. After its initial bankruptcy in 2019, Forever 21 was acquired by Authentic Brands Group and mall operator Simon Property Group, but despite various turnaround attempts ā€“ including unusual collaborations and international relaunches ā€“ it failed to recapture its former success.Retail editor Cathaleen Chen joins The Debrief to unpack what Forever 21ā€™s fall says about the future of fast fashion.Key Insights: Chen argues that Forever 21ā€™s downfall is largely due to its loss of cultural cachet. ā€œYou don't see influencers peddling Forever 21 in the way that you see influencers still promoting Shein, and I think that's a huge factor. You have to spend that money to be relevant,ā€ says Chen.Chen contends that fast fashion retailers like Forever 21 have always struggled with establishing a unique identity, which ultimately made it difficult for them to maintain customer loyalty. ā€œThe problem with Wet Seal, Rue 21, and now Forever 21 is that these retailers never really had any kind of identity,ā€ she explains.The retailerā€™s failure to evolve beyond chasing transient trends has left it vulnerable to more agile competitors. ā€œIt's not about just chasing fashion, fashion, fashion the way that I think Forever 21 never got out of, the way that Shein dominates. It's about going the other direction and creating products that your customers want at a level of quality,ā€ says Chen.Looking forward, success in fast fashion will require more than affordability. Chen believes future winners must combine low prices with a compelling retail experience: ā€œThere is an element of surprise and delight in that shopping experience. It can't just be cheap, affordable ā€“ it needs to offer something more.ā€Additional Resources:The Year Ahead: Deconstructing Fast Fashionā€™s Future | BoF Why Shein Keeps Buying Its Rivals | BoF Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Can You Sell Sexual Wellness Without Sex?
    In the 2010s and early 2020s, a new generation of sexual wellness companies selling sex toys, massage oils and other bedroom aides broke taboos by championing pleasure and redefining sex as wellness. Startups such as Hanx and Playground, often founded by women, introduced sleek products that contrasted sharply with the hyper-sexualised image of legacy players like Trojan and Durex. However, recent regulatory restrictions, cultural conservatism, and social media censorship have forced these brands to pivot toward a more health-focused approach. In this episode of The Debrief, editorial associate Yola Mzizi explains how these changes are reshaping marketing strategies and consumer perceptions in the sexual wellness market.Key Insights: Brands in the sexual wellness category initially reframed sex as a wellness benefit. ā€œThey didnā€™t just focus on pleasure but other health benefits that come from engaging in sex,ā€ says Mzizi. ā€œThis is a big deal because attitudes around sex were changing and therefore we saw all of these brands come up during this time to reflect that change.ā€ However, as cultural conservatism gains ground, with stricter regulatory and social pressures emerging, those once-radical messages are now being muted, forcing brands to temper their bold narratives in favour of more sanitised, health-focused messaging.Despite early success, sexual wellness brands now face significant challenges due to tighter social media censorship and advertising restrictions. ā€œIf you just look at Meta, which owns Instagram, they have very clear policies that their ads cannot promote the sale or use of adult sexual arousal products or services,ā€ says Mzizi. ā€œThat can mean anything from erotica to fan fiction, sex toys, but what they do allow are ads centred on reproductive health and sexual health, but only if they're shown to users 18 years or older.ā€ Sexual wellness brands can continue their mission by staying true to their unique identity. ā€œBy doubling down, brands can rest assured that they're not diluting their message and the customers who are coming to shop with them know exactly who they are, what they stand for, and what they sell,ā€ says Mzizi. ā€œIf you position yourself as a healthcare startup, and then you're selling lube, it may be very difficult to get someone to click purchase because they were duped into getting there.ā€ Abstaining from going overboard with compliance can help preserve brand integrity and keeps loyal consumers engaged even as external pressures push for alternative narratives.Additional Resources:Can You Sell Sexual Wellness Without Sex? | BoF How Sex Toys Broke Into Beauty Retail | BoFAre Condoms Ready for the DTC Treatment? | BoF Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Can Farfetch Be Fixed?
    Once hailed as a pioneering platform for online luxury, Farfetch is now undergoing a dramatic operational overhaul. The South Korean e-commerce giant Coupang acquired the luxury marketplace in 2023, rescuing it from near-bankruptcy. Since then, Coupang has implemented sweeping cost-cutting measures that have narrowed losses significantly, but are eroding Farfetchā€™s footing in the luxury e-commerce space and alienating its core customers. DTC correspondent Malique Morris joins Executive Editor Brian Baskin and Senior Correspondent Sheena Butler-Young to examine Farfetchā€™s path to profitability.Key Insights: Coupang's relentless drive to push Farfetch toward profitability clashes with the premium expectations of luxury shoppers as cost-cutting is prioritised over customer experience. ā€œCoupang is so hyperā€focused on getting Farfetch to profitability ... and when you're dealing with people who are spending $100,000 a year on the marketplace, it doesn't quite work that way,ā€ explains Morris. ā€œTheyā€™ve also cut teams dedicated to working with Farfetchā€™s VIP customers, who can make up as much as 30% of the companyā€™s annual sales.ā€ This tension between operational efficiency and delivering a high-end experience is at the heart of Farfetch's challenges.Farfetchā€™s ā€œsold by Farfetchā€ programme highlights its growing disconnect with luxury brands. As luxury powerhouses like Celine, Alaia and Kering ā€“ which includes Gucci, Saint Laurent and Bottega Veneta ā€” pull their collections from the platform, Farfetch has turned to a grey market tactic to maintain its inventory. ā€œInstead of sending the goods straight from the retailers to the customers, the items are now going to a warehouse in Amsterdam to be repackaged,ā€ says Morris. ā€œIt's not only a knock to Farfetch's relationship with top brands, but it also risks deteriorating customer service.ā€ This move, intended to sidestep brand resistance risks undermining transparency and trust among high-end partners.Farfetch's biggest superpower is that many independent boutiques still rely on it. ā€œIf Farfetch can at least do right by those retail partners, then it probably has a shot of stabilising its footing in online luxury,ā€ says Morris. ā€œCoupang will eventually have to allow Farfetch to reinvest in their relationships with customers and brands. That might cost them a couple million, but hopefully with the renewed focus on just the marketplace, Farfetch won't go back into the red in the process.ā€Additional Resources:Inside Coupangā€™s Tug of War With Farfetch | BoFFarfetch Owner Coupang: Everything You Need to Know | BoF Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Why Canā€™t Fashion Fix Its Labour Exploitation Problem?
    The revelation this year of child labour in Indiaā€™s cotton fields and modern-day slavery in Taiwanese garment factories is the latest scandal concerning worker treatment in fashionā€™s supply chain. New abuses keep emerging despite efforts by brands, manufacturers, activists, and governments to set clear labour guidelines. Watchdog groups try new tactics to combat the problem, but they face systemic forces far beyond fashion.Sustainability editor Sarah Kent joins executive editor Brian Baskin and senior correspondent Sheena Butler-Young to discuss the problematic labour dynamics underpinning the fashion system.Key Insights: Persistent abuse in fashionā€™s supply chains is not merely about isolated incidents but reflects deep-rooted socio-economic challenges. In Indiaā€™s cotton industry, for example, many farmworkers come from extremely marginalised and impoverished communities where exploitation is a norm rather than an exception. Families often work together under hazardous conditions, with little oversight or recourse. ā€œSo you're not just dealing with an issue of exploitation that is coming from the [fashion] industry, you're dealing with a culture that is ingrained in the way that community works ā€“ and that is a very difficult, complicated thing to try and manage, ā€ explains Kent. Transparency in supply chains remains critical. Despite decades of advocacy, many brands struggle to verify the origins of their cotton. The global cotton supply chainā€™s complexityā€”where materials pass through multiple suppliers and tradersā€”makes tracing raw cotton back to its source extremely difficult. ā€œThe traders will have been getting the cotton from ginners who will have got raw cotton from ā€¦ maybe hundreds of thousands of small family farms aggregated it, ginned it, sold it onto a trader who then sells it up through the supply chain. So by the time it even gets to a spinning factory, tracing it back to the farm where it came from is really, really difficult,ā€ says Kent.In Taiwanā€™s textile industry, systemic issues like excessive recruitment fees burden migrant workers, yet change is stalling. Despite growing awareness and repeated calls for reform, manufacturers have little incentive to alter longstanding practices without coordinated industry action and regulatory intervention. As Kent notes, ā€œWithout other brands operating in Taiwan coming together and trying to do the same thing, the industry as a whole isn't going to move.ā€ And without regulatory shifts, manufacturers have little reason to remove recruitment fee burdens from workers.Consumer trust in ethical claims is vital for brands that present themselves as responsible. However, when ethical certifications and claims are diluted by inconsistent practices and opaque supply chains, consumers quickly lose faith. This erosion of trust can undermine efforts to promote responsible consumption. ā€œIf consumers lose trust in what is meant to be a signifier of doing better, then you risk people not caring at all,ā€ Kent warns. ā€œNo one's going to pay more for a product that promises to be more responsible and more ethical when it's when they don't believe that it is.ā€Additional Resources:ā€˜Ethicalā€™ Cotton Is Being Picked by Child Labourers in India, Watchdog Finds | BoFWhy Canā€™t Fashion Eliminate Labour Exploitation From Its Supply Chains? | BoF Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Welcome to The Debrief, a new weekly podcast from The Business of Fashion, where we go beyond the glossy veneer and unpack our most popular BoF Professional stories. Hosted by BoF correspondents Sheena Butler-Young and Brian Baskin, The Debrief will be your guide into the mega labels, indie upstarts and unforgettableĀ personalities shaping the $2.5 trillion global fashion industry. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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