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The Fourth Curtain

Alexander Seropian & Aaron Marroquin
The Fourth Curtain
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  • The Fourth Curtain

    The Guts of Indie with Animal Well's Billy Basso

    28/05/2026 | 1h 21 mins.
    We're hyped to talk secrets with Billy Basso, creator of the award-winning smash Animal Well. Beginning with educational and medical games he went on to solo develop Animal Well, which delivers a huge game in less than 40 MB. Surgery, celebrity and an ARG - this week!
    Support the show
    Thank you for listening to our podcast all about videogames and the amazing people who bring them to life!
    Hosted by Alexander Seropian and Aaron Marroquin
    Find us at www.thefourthcurtain.com
    Join our Patreon for early, ad-free episodes plus bonus content at https://patreon.com/FourthCurtain
    Come join the conversation at https://discord.gg/KWeGE4xHfe
    Videos available at https://www.youtube.com/@thefourthcurtain
    Follow us on Twitter: @fourthcurtain
    Edited and mastered at https://noise-floor.com
    Audio Editor: Bryen Hensley
    Video Editor: Sarkis Grigorian
    Producer: Kimya Taheri
    Art: Paul Russel
    Community Manager: Doug Zartman
    Featuring Liberation by 505
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    Patrick Söderlund and the Raiders of the Arc

    14/05/2026 | 1h 24 mins.
    We kick off Season 4 with Patrick Söderlund, CEO/founder of Embark Studios and maker of the hit Arc Raiders. Former head of DICE and Battlefield at EA, he found faster ways to build. We discuss owing the community, AI, and incredible value - this week! 

    Support the show
    Thank you for listening to our podcast all about videogames and the amazing people who bring them to life!
    Hosted by Alexander Seropian and Aaron Marroquin
    Find us at www.thefourthcurtain.com
    Join our Patreon for early, ad-free episodes plus bonus content at https://patreon.com/FourthCurtain
    Come join the conversation at https://discord.gg/KWeGE4xHfe
    Videos available at https://www.youtube.com/@thefourthcurtain
    Follow us on Twitter: @fourthcurtain
    Edited and mastered at https://noise-floor.com
    Audio Editor: Bryen Hensley
    Video Editor: Sarkis Grigorian
    Producer: Kimya Taheri
    Art: Paul Russel
    Community Manager: Doug Zartman
    Featuring Liberation by 505
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    We Open the Curtain on Season Fourth

    30/04/2026 | 38 mins.
    Our intrepid hosts provide a prologue to the fourth season of the podcast with a wide-ranging conversation on the state of the videogame industry. With appreciation for GDC, Resident Evil 9 and Phil Spencer, they also talk (of course) AI and signs we may finally be exiting the trough - this week!
    Support the show
    Thank you for listening to our podcast all about videogames and the amazing people who bring them to life!
    Hosted by Alexander Seropian and Aaron Marroquin
    Find us at www.thefourthcurtain.com
    Join our Patreon for early, ad-free episodes plus bonus content at https://patreon.com/FourthCurtain
    Come join the conversation at https://discord.gg/KWeGE4xHfe
    Videos available at https://www.youtube.com/@thefourthcurtain
    Follow us on Twitter: @fourthcurtain
    Edited and mastered at https://noise-floor.com
    Audio Editor: Bryen Hensley
    Video Editor: Sarkis Grigorian
    Producer: Kimya Taheri
    Art: Paul Russel
    Community Manager: Doug Zartman
    Featuring Liberation by 505
  • The Fourth Curtain

    Grade Expectations 2025

    18/12/2025 | 46 mins.
    For our end of year episode Aaron and Alex reflect on the year and a raft of topics in videogame dev: Steam Deck vs Switch, understanding how AI will work for dev, Netflix's place and "successful to nice" ratios! Devils and Dungeonauts within - this week!
    Support the show
    Thank you for listening to our podcast all about videogames and the amazing people who bring them to life!
    Hosted by Alexander Seropian and Aaron Marroquin
    Find us at www.thefourthcurtain.com
    Join our Patreon for early, ad-free episodes plus bonus content at https://patreon.com/FourthCurtain
    Come join the conversation at https://discord.gg/KWeGE4xHfe
    Videos available at https://www.youtube.com/@thefourthcurtain
    Follow us on Twitter: @fourthcurtain
    Edited and mastered at https://noise-floor.com
    Audio Editor: Bryen Hensley
    Video Editor: Sarkis Grigorian
    Producer: Kimya Taheri
    Art: Paul Russel
    Community Manager: Doug Zartman
    Featuring Liberation by 505
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    Live Long and Prosper with Amazon's Christoph Hartmann

    16/10/2025 | 1h 22 mins.
    VP of Amazon Games Christoph Hartmann is our guest. At BMG he helped launch GTA and went on to co-found 2K Games and publish NBA 2K, Civilization, Bioshock and Borderlands. We discuss the upcoming King of Meat, a very fresh take on how AI can help gamedev and more - this week!
    Episode Highlights
    [00:00:00] Intro: Christoph Hartmann
    [00:20:32] From Music to Games: Christoph’s First Break at BMG
    Christoph shares how his early exposure to computers led to an internship at BMG Interactive — a move that launched his career from music into video games
    [00:28:03] Learning from Sam: Building for the Future
    Christoph reflects on learning from his leaders and how to run a company with one eye on the horizon — always anticipating industry shifts to stay ahead.
    [00:31:32] Founding 2K Games: Building a Creative Powerhouse
    He talks about the creation of 2K Games and how the studio became home to major franchises like BioShock and Borderlands.
    [00:40:10] Captain Kirk, Not Spock: Leading Overnight
    Christoph shares how he was suddenly handed leadership responsibilities, earning the nickname “Captain Kirk” while his second-in-command was called “Spock.” He jokes, “I’m not Spock,” but explains what it taught him about command and trust.
    [00:42:12] Spotting Winners: How Christoph Evaluates Studios
    He breaks down what he looks for when assessing game studios — from creative spark to execution — and when it’s the right time to buy in or step back.
    [00:49:12] Embracing AI: Innovation, Adaptation, and Opportunity
    Christoph discusses how new technology, including AI, could actually improve development — making gameplay more adaptive and lowering production costs.
    [00:59:34] Joining Amazon Games: Betting on Live Service Futures
    After a moment of career reflection, Christoph joined Amazon to explore live service games — a model he believes represents the future of the industry. He shares why he finds Amazon’s culture both exciting and rewarding.
    [01:04:15] Leading Smart Teams: Managing a Crew of “Spocks”
    At Amazon, Christoph leads teams full of brilliant problem-solvers — his “Spocks.” He explains how he adapts his leadership to align incentives, empower experts, and keep learning as a leader.
    [01:11:57] Bridging Creativity and Business: The In-Between Role
    Christoph describes himself as the bridge between creative vision and business strategy, uniting both worlds to make better games. He also teases Amazon’s upcoming project, King of Meat.

    [01:16:56] Outro: Wrapping Up and Reflecting on AI’s Power Demand
    Alex and Aaron close out the episode, reflecting on Christoph’s insights and joking about the future of AI — and the nuclear power plants we might need to keep it all running.
    Support the show
    Thank you for listening to our podcast all about videogames and the amazing people who bring them to life!
    Hosted by Alexander Seropian and Aaron Marroquin
    Find us at www.thefourthcurtain.com
    Join our Patreon for early, ad-free episodes plus bonus content at https://patreon.com/FourthCurtain
    Come join the conversation at https://discord.gg/KWeGE4xHfe
    Videos available at https://www.youtube.com/@thefourthcurtain
    Follow us on Twitter: @fourthcurtain
    Edited and mastered at https://noise-floor.com
    Audio Editor: Bryen Hensley
    Video Editor: Sarkis Grigorian
    Producer: Kimya Taheri
    Art: Paul Russel
    Community Manager: Doug Zartman
    Featuring Liberation by 505
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About The Fourth Curtain
A GUIDED TOUR OF VIDEOGAME MAKERY! Hosts Alex Seropian (founder Bungie, Wideload, Industrial Toys) and Aaron Marroquin (Art Director, Game Designer, part time magician) take you on a tour of the minds that create our favorite video games. We may also wander around in our own heads too. We aim to inspire, educate and entertain you about the games you love, the people that make them and hey, if you're not a gamer we know you know one. This will help you connect with them too.
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