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Pope Leo has called AI the single greatest challenge facing humanity. Not war, not poverty, not climate change. So we got a panel together to sort out what this encyclical means.

Joining Jordan are Tim Hwang, deputy director of the Institute for Christian Machine Intelligence, John-Clark Levin of Kurzweil Technologies, and ChinaTalk's resident Catholic, Aqib Zakaria.

We discuss…

Why the encyclical's claim that AI cannot truly "understand" is a narrow theological term of art, and why that nuance gets lost on Twitter

Pope Leo's call to "disarm AI" and the Holy See's potential role mediating between the US and China and speaking for the global South

Tim's pitch for a Vatican alignment lab that buys GPUs and tries to beat Anthropic's benchmarks from Christian first principles

Why frontier-lab researchers, including non-believers, are treating the Pope as a moral coordinating signal

How Anthropic drifting from deontology toward virtue ethics in training Claude looks like a validation of the Christian approach

The provocation underneath all of it: is the American AI stack a Christian AI stack?

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How do you evaluate an AI model for a war you can only fight once? Ike Harris, a Naval officer turned Hill staffer turned AI policy operator, joins the show to discuss his effort to bridge the gap between the labs that build frontier models and the operators who'll deploy them.

Ike Harris is the executive director of the newly launched Frontier Security Institute, and was most recently the Republican tech lead on the House Select Committee on the CCP, with prior stints in OSD and as a surface warfare officer.

We discuss…


The GAIN AI and Overwatch acts: and Congress's most aggressive attempt to wrest export-control authority from the executive branch since the Cold War


Why you can't just "buy AI": and why national security evals look nothing like the SWE benchmarks the labs optimize for


Strategic-level evals :for problems you can't run ten times, from Iran negotiations to targeting at the COCOM level


China's robot-army advantage: open-weight models at the edge, Ukraine-style drone iteration soaked up via Russia, and a casualty tolerance the US can't match


The "no more NASA" problem: how risk tolerance, mission command, and law-of-armed-conflict constraints shape who wins the deployment race


Breaking into tech policy: Ike's case for why every aspiring policy person should spend a year on the Hill

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How did Arizona lock in billion-dollar investments from TSMC, Intel, and LG Energy?

Ian O’Grady, Senior Policy Advisor to Arizona Governor Katie Hobbs, joins ChinaTalk to share war stories from the state that’s successfully reshoring semiconductor and battery production.

Our conversation covers:


Labor Disputes and Crisis Management — How the Governor’s Office mediates disagreements between stakeholders and keeps workers happy.


Clean Air Act vs. chips — Why Arizona’s fabs struggled to get building permits despite the state’s low per-capita emissions.


Arizona’s Abundance Playbook — Including a consolidated commerce authority, a culture of engineering > litigation, and institutional factors that help Arizona outbuild Ohio and Texas.


Taiwanifying the Desert — How Phoenix welcomed TSMC engineers with Mandarin programs in schools, Din Tai Fung, and a new Costco.


Industrial Policy Resource Wars — How Arizona avoids backlash based on power and water use concerns.

Co-hosting is ChinaTalk researcher Aqib Zakaria.

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Rob Lee dials in from Ukraine for a long-form WarTalk on what the front line actually looks like in year four — where infantry sit underground for six months without seeing the sun, where 2% of casualties come from small arms, and where the "forward line of troops" has been quietly replaced by a forward line of UAV teams.

Rob Lee is a senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and one of the most-read analysts of the Russia-Ukraine war; he's joined on the show by WarTalk regulars Bryan Clark, Tony Stark, and Justin.

We discuss…


The six-month infantry rotation and what isolation, drone threat, and zero-line resupply do to a human being


Why Ukraine has reclaimed the drone edge — and what the Hornet, Bumblebee, and FP2 are doing to Russian logistics


Ukraine's new corps structure, where the brigade-only model broke down, and what the Azov-derived elite corps look like


Why 2% of Ukrainian casualties come from small arms and what infantry are actually doing on the zero line


Starlink as the indispensable game-changer — and Russia's increasingly serious attempt to jam it


Combat casualty care when CASEVAC takes 12 hours, the golden hour is dead, and tourniquets sit on for a month


What the Marine Corps should steal from Ukraine — pushing Hornets to the battalion, Bumblebees to the company, and giving up something to make room

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Wanna do big things? This week, a how-to guide for technically minded people who want to stop posting and start changing things — covering everything from why every globally important problem is "white space."

Joining Jordan are Kumar Garg, founder of Renaissance Philanthropy and a veteran of the Obama White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, and Remco Zwetsloot, co-founder of the Horizon Institute for Public Service, which builds pipelines into government for emerging-tech talent.

We discuss…


Why $10 million globally on lead remediation tells you everything about how undertalented the world's most important problems are


Ambition + humility as the Horizon Fellowship's selection criteria — and why most candidates need to hear the opposite of what they expect


"We care meetings" vs. "we decide meetings," the Geithner heuristic for surviving senior government roles


The tribal KPIs of the White House — what the Office of Public Engagement, speech writing, and comms actually want from a policy nerd


The conscious-incompetence quadrant and why "your job is not to be the expert, your job is to mobilize expertise"


The posting-to-policy pipeline, the rise of the individual writer, and the introspective work that public writing forces


My Bulgarian tanks fantasy vs. the value-over-replacement case for picking your own hobby horse

Horizon recently launched Launchpad, a Substack on working in emerging tech policy with advice, explainers, and conversations like this one — if you enjoyed this conversation, you’ll probably like their other stuff as well.
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