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Middling Along

Emma Thomas
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  • Middling Along

    Your wardrobe isn't a style problem. It's a self problem. Just Get Dressed with Samantha Harman

    01/06/2026 | 39 mins.
    We say "I've got nothing to wear" standing in front of a full wardrobe. Samantha Harman's argument is that the sentence has nothing to do with clothes — it's about not knowing who we're supposed to be.

    In this episode I talk to best-selling author, stylist and former journalist Samantha Harman about her book Just Get Dressed: Why You Have Nothing to Wear and What to Do About It — a styling book with no pictures and no body-shape rules, built instead around the inner work most of us avoid. It's a conversation about generational trauma, the prehistoric brain, the martyrdom of the women in the squeezed middle, and why getting dressed in the morning is so flipping hard.

    What we cover:

    Why "nothing to wear" is never about a lack of clothes... and what your wardrobe is actually a manifestation of (beliefs, identity, class, politics, generational trauma)

    The problem with the personal styling industry: more rules, more prescription, more exhaustion

    Epigenetics and the prehistoric brain — why being a visible woman registers as dangerous, and why the fabulous outfit stays on the hanger

    Clothing as a business tool — and why men have always been allowed to use it while women get judged for it

    The "bag of potatoes" meeting: how an ill-fitting supermarket shirt quietly costs you authority, presence and opportunity

    The compare-and-despair cycle and the social-media misery machine: and the reminder that all of it, even "authentic" personal brands, is marketing

    Enclothed cognition: why what you wear changes the actions you take (and how you handle Barry from accounts)

    Midlife as an opportunity, not a decline — finances, time, intelligence, and finding the rooms with brilliant women in them

    Two exercises from the book: meeting the 5-year-old who's really running your wardrobe, and the letter from your 90-year-old self

    Emotional spending, scarcity tactics and how retailers weaponise your feelings — plus the fast-fashion harm hiding behind "retail therapy"

    The wardrobe edit as a non-negotiable business activity — and the one thing to do first: get rid of what you hate

    Find Samantha here:

    Just Get Dressed: Why You Have Nothing to Wear and What to Do About It - available on Amaz*n, or justgetdressed.com

    https://www.instagram.com/styleeditoruk/

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/samantha-harman-style-editor/

    Enjoyed this episode? 

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    Quite possibly the softest underwear out there... with Alex Perry from Alexander Clementine

    13/05/2026 | 23 mins.
    Alex Perry is doing something unusual: he's a young man building a women's health-led underwear brand, and talking openly about menopause, mastectomy recovery and vulval health while he does it.

    In this conversation, Emma and Alex explore:

    How his company, Alexander Clementine pivoted from a sustainable fashion focus into women's health after customer reviews and his own mum's breast cancer journey revealed an unmet need

    Why use seaweed (and specifically Icelandic seaweed harvested every four years) to make a fabric naturally antibacterial, anti-odour, temperature-regulating, moisture-wicking, hypoallergenic and rich in antioxidants

    The environmental case against synthetic underwear, and why fibres made from petrochemicals are particularly concerning in a menopause context (carcinogens, hormone disruptors, trapped heat and moisture)

    "Menopause-washing" — how to read the label and spot brands cashing in without using fabrics that actually help

    How the underwear helps with external-facing symptoms of menopause — hot flushes, heightened sensitivity, dry and itchy skin, vulval discomfort — and where it fits in breast cancer recovery (two-to-four weeks post-surgery, not as an immediate post-surgical compression bra)

    Why Alex believes men need to be part of the menopause conversation — and the response he's had from men his own age (spoiler: most know nothing about it)

    Links & Resources

    Alexander Clementine website: alexanderclementine.com

    Instagram: @alexanderclementine (search Alexander Clementine)

    Check out my earlier conversation with Jo and Rob, authors of Burning Up, Frozen Out — a book aimed at men with frameworks for having menopause conversations: https://www.thetripleshift.org/podcast/burning-up-frozen-out 

     
    Note: Alex kindly gifted me a sample crop bra to try ahead of recording — there's no paid sponsorship, and as regular listeners know, I rarely talk about products on the podcast unless I've used them myself.

    To find out more about ways to work with me please check out www.thetripleshift.org/starthere

    You'll find me on Substack too https://middlingalong.substack.com/
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    Age Against the Machine: Why retirement is broken and what to do about it - with Lucy Standing

    28/04/2026 | 43 mins.
    Retirement was introduced in the UK in 1948, when life expectancy was 66. It was designed to support people for about a year. So why are we still treating 65 as the cliff edge — and accepting a model that funnels women out of the workforce just as their crystallised intelligence peaks?

    This week I'm joined by Lucy Standing, founder of Brave Starts, co-author of Age Against the Machine: New Rules for Working in an Ageist World, Telegraph careers columnist, and contributor to OECD policy on older workers. Lucy is sharp, evidence-led, and refreshingly impatient with the way the labour market wastes people in their 50s and 60s.

    We talk about:

    Why retirement as we know it is a 1940s solution being applied to a problem that no longer exists

    The difference between fluid intelligence (peaks at 19) and crystallised intelligence (peaks in your late 40s and 50s) — and why most hiring still measures the wrong one

    The OECD-backed Generation study where 89% of older hires performed at or above expectations, against hiring managers' predictions

    Why "I want to do something more purposeful" is the dominant driver for workers over 50 — and money ranks sixth

    Why the jobs board model is broken if you're trying to pivot, and what to do instead (hint: stop hitting "easy apply")

    The would-be hotelier who almost spent his life savings on a Lake District boutique — and the two days that saved him

    Why we'll happily pay £30k for a degree but balk at paying for two days of practical experience in the field we're considering

    The 82-year-old woman whose letter changed how Lucy thinks about loneliness, work, and contribution

    If you've ever felt invisible in the job market after 50, been told you're "overqualified," or watched a brilliant friend get screened out by an applicant tracking system, this one's for you.

    Links:

    Age Against the Machine: New Rules for Working in an Ageist World — by Lucy Standing, Maggie Evans and Martin Hyde, out now in paperback [https://www.waterstones.com/book/age-against-the-machine/lucy-standing/martin-hyde/9783111706894]

    Brave Starts: bravestarts.com  

    Lucy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucystanding/

    You can find me, and the full podcast archive over at www.thetripleshift.org/starthere

    Don't forget to subscribe to my Substack too: https://middlingalong.substack.com/
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    Burning Up, Frozen Out – Joe Warner & Rob Kemp

    17/03/2026 | 49 mins.
    This time I’m joined by Joe Warner and Rob Kemp, authors of the new book Burning Up, Frozen Out: What Every Man Needs to Know About the Menopause (But No One Told You) – written specifically to help men understand and support their partners through perimenopause and menopause. Joe and Rob share why they wrote the book, the communication tools that can transform midlife relationships, why men don’t need to “fix” anything, and how a little knowledge goes a very long way.

    Joe Warner is an award-winning journalist and bestselling author, and former editorial director of Men’s Fitness magazine. He has spent more than two decades working across print, digital and broadcast media, writing extensively about men’s and women’s health, fitness and wellbeing.

    Rob Kemp is a freelance journalist and author of seven non-fiction books, including the Amazon-bestselling The Expectant Dad’s Survival Guide, The New Dad’s Survival Guide and The Good Guys: 50 Heroes Who Changed the World with Kindness. He has written about men’s health, parenting and sports for more than 30 years.

    What We Talked About

    Why Joe and Rob wrote Burning Up, Frozen Out

    The parallels Rob noticed between supporting a partner through pregnancy and supporting a partner through perimenopause

    Why men often default to “fixer” mode – and the relief that comes from learning they don’t have to fix anything

    Moving from a solutions mindset to a support mindset

    The “midlife logistics company” problem: how couples stop talking to each other and start just managing schedules

    The Midlife MOT – a weekly check-in tool for couples to score how they’re feeling physically and mentally, and use it as a springboard for conversation

    The Traffic Light List – a green/amber/red exercise to uncover what your partner loves, tolerates and can’t stand (including in the bedroom)

    Active listening vs jumping into solutions: “Do you want help, a hug, or to be heard?”

    How men can be the “Sherlock Holmes” who spots perimenopause symptoms before their partner does

    The disconnect around sex and intimacy in midlife: why men often seek connection through sex, while women need connection before sex

    Spontaneous vs responsive desire, and the idea of the “sizzle” – giving intimacy time to build

    Lowered tolerance in perimenopause: why “she’s changed” is the wrong framing

    Being a co-advocate at GP appointments and the chapter on “Dealing with the Doctor”

    Rob’s biggest surprise: how poorly the medical profession has served women presenting with menopause symptoms

    Joe’s biggest surprise: how empowered he felt once he had the knowledge to actually help

     
    Key Takeaways

    You don’t have to fix it. Shifting from a solutions mindset to a support mindset is the single most powerful change a man can make.

    A little education goes a long way. Understanding what’s actually happening hormonally helps men take symptoms seriously, respond with empathy, and spot what’s going on – sometimes before their partner does.

    Communication is a skill, not a talent. It needs practice, just like anything else. The book provides a menu of practical tools and phrases you can pick and choose from.

    Make time sacred. A weekly coffee, a walk, a Midlife MOT check-in – carving out regular, low-pressure time to talk is the single habit that every expert Jo and Rob spoke to swore by.

    You’re not alone. Isolation makes everything harder. This is something couples go through together, and asking for help is a sign of strength, not weakness.

     

    “Once they read in the book that their job isn’t to fix anything, you can almost see the weight of the world lift off their shoulders.”

    – Joe Warner

    “All I said to her was, can I make you a cup of tea? That’s all I had.”

    – Rob Kemp

    Links & Resources

    Burning Up, Frozen Out: https://www.johnmurraypress.co.uk/titles/joe-warner/burning-up-frozen-out/9781399826655/

    com – includes a free download of Chapter 4 (on men and the midlife crisis) and the Midlife MOT tool

    Also mentioned: Listen by Dr Kathryn Mannix; Rebel Bodies by Sarah Graham

     

    If you think your partner could benefit from this conversation, send them a link to this episode and to the book. And if you’ve read Burning Up, Frozen Out, Joe and Rob would love to hear from you – get in touch via burningupfrozenout.com.

    If you'd like to find out more about my work, or how to work with me, please visit www.thetripleshift.org/starthere
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    She Wanted More: Redefining Success, Purpose, and Power in Midlife with Poorna Bell

    04/03/2026 | 41 mins.
    “For most of our lives, women have been told that if we look a certain way and behave a certain way, the world will unfold for us. Only to reach midlife and find that, for most of us, it isn’t true, and the booby prize is that apparently we now have to spend yet more time and money obsessing about how to claw our way back to a place of acceptance that never existed.”

     

    In this episode I speak to Poorna Bell — award-winning journalist, author, and former UK executive editor for HuffPost — to talk about her new book She Wanted More, the cultural shift happening among women in their 40s, 50s, and 60s, and why the conversation around midlife needs to change.

    Poorna describes the atmosphere before her 40th birthday as apocalyptic, with friends talking about it like the end of the world, and society treating 40 as a cliff edge. Surprisingly, to her, the world didn't end. In fact, things got better. Over the five years since, she's watched her life move on an upwards trajectory, something society never told her was possible. She Wanted More is her response to that gap between what women are told about midlife and what actually happens when you're in it.

    Poorna noticed women all around her in their 40s, 50s, and 60s making fundamentally different choices than previous generations. Whether that was questioning relationships, redefining career success, opting out of motherhood, or choosing to remain single after divorce. The traditional markers of success (money, power, nuclear family structures) are being interrogated. Women are asking: What do I actually want? What is purpose for me?

    This isn't a book prescribing one way to live. It's about creating agency — doing an inventory of your life and asking yourself: What do I need to feel power and intention in my own life?

    Poorna advocates for reclaiming the word ‘climacteric’ because it better captures the magnitude of what's happening in the menopause transition. It sounds dramatic because it is dramatic.

    She describes her own symptoms as "giant stingrays carrying dread, despair, and fear" — a visceral image that will resonate with anyone who's experienced perimenopausal anxiety and that pervasive sense of doom.

    Poorna surveyed around 1,000 women for the book, and one surprising finding was the fear younger women now have about perimenopause. Media coverage has skewed heavily negative, and many women in their 20s and 30s are genuinely terrified. Poorna's response? We need balance. Yes, some women have brutal experiences. But many don't. The goal isn't to sugarcoat it or pretend it's all wonderful, but to give women the full picture so they can prepare without catastrophizing.

    Poorna quotes Ashley Kelch in the book: "The most disruptive act in midlife isn't leaving your job or your relationship. It's leaving behind the version of yourself that you created in order to survive."

    For Poorna, that meant shedding the version of herself that was palatable, agreeable, and constantly performing. She describes younger Poorna as someone who would say yes to everything, who prioritized being liked over being authentic. Midlife gave her permission to stop. She's learned to listen to her body's signals, to say no without guilt, to recognize when she simply doesn't have the spoons for something, and to honour that without shame.

    The global anti-aging market is set to be worth $80 billion in four years. Poorna calls it "the same shit, repackaged" — a relentless marketing machine selling women the idea that looking young is the only way to remain valuable. And yet, when she asked the women she surveyed what getting older meant to them, not one mentioned looks. They talked about freedom, contentment, peacefulness, having options.

    So how do we opt out of this pressure? Poorna's advice: stop engaging with the narratives that don't serve you. Unfollow accounts that make you feel inadequate. Surround yourself with images and stories of women who are thriving in midlife on their own terms. Representation matters — and we have more control over our media diet than we think.

    One of the most moving parts of the book is Poorna's conversation with her own mother about her early life before becoming a mother. Her mother had a place at university. Everything was paid for. But her grandfather wouldn't let her go because it would have meant living with a family he didn't approve of. Later, when her mother's employer suggested she take auditor exams, her father dismissed it: "You're going back to India to get married soon, so there's no point."

    Listening to her mother recount this, Poorna felt rage. She could see the brightness, the potential, the intelligence — and the loss of what could have been. That conversation made Poorna softer and more compassionate with her mother. She now asks anyone whose mother is still around: have that conversation. Ask about their life before you were on the scene. Their answers won't be defensive because they're not connected to you as a person — they're just telling you their story. It's precious.

    Key Takeaways:

    Midlife isn't a cliff edge. Society lies. Your 40s, 50s, and 60s can be an upwards trajectory if you let them be.

    Question the definitions of success you've inherited. Money and power aren't the only measures. What does success mean to you?

    Let go of the version of yourself you created to survive. Midlife is permission to stop performing and start being.

    Listen to your body's signals. If you don't have the spoons, you don't have the spoons. Honour that.

    Opt out of anti-aging narratives that don't serve you. Curate your media diet. Surround yourself with images of women thriving in midlife.

    Talk to your mother about her early life. If she's still around and you have a relationship with her, ask about who she was before you existed. You'll learn something profound.

     

    Instagram, Threads, and TikTok: @poornabell

    She Wanted More https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/she-wanted-more-reimagine-your-future-and-live-by-your-rules-poorna-bell/2eea99431a408200?ean=9781785122835&next=t&next=t&affiliate=11357 

    Also check out her previous book Stronger — pairs beautifully with this one

    Ways to work & connect with me:

    Coaching 1-1 http://www.thetripleshift.org  

    Menopause in the workplace support at www.managingthemenopause.com 

    Subscribe to my newsletter at https://middlingalong.substack.com/  

    Connect with me at https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmacthomas/
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About Middling Along
Middling Along is the podcast for women navigating the 'messy middle bit' of life. Whether it's perimenopause, the midlife collision, figuring out what the heck to do with their Second Spring, or looking for ways to life healthier for longer. Voted as one of the Top 25 podcasts for midlife and menopause at https://www.lattelounge.co.uk/podcasts-about-the-menopause/ - Emma speaks to a wide range of guests who entertain, inform, and inspire in equal measure. 
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