The Chuck ToddCast

Filmmaker and author Greg Mitchell joins the Chuck Toddcast to discuss Woody Guthrie and the Ghost of Tom Joad Today, his new PBS documentary narrated by Rosanne Cash and featuring music from Bruce Springsteen, which traces the bond Guthrie forged with John Steinbeck during a campaign to ease the suffering of migrants in California — and argues those 1930s conflicts have unmistakable echoes in the present. Mitchell, a Depression-era obsessive who has written extensively about American politics since the 1930s, explains how he began seeing the connections between Guthrie and Steinbeck and why he refused to make a straight biopic: he wanted a film with current ramifications, which is why it closes with Springsteen's "The Ghost of Tom Joad" set against images of immigrants surrounded by federal agents and protesters holding signs quoting Guthrie. He and Chuck get into the story behind "This Land Is Your Land" (which wasn't the song's original title), the mechanics of securing the rights to the music and the story, his conversation with Tom Morello about the Springsteen song, and how seeing the migrant work camps firsthand fundamentally transformed Guthrie as an artist. Mitchell notes that Steinbeck was denounced as a communist for his trouble, that the majority of California's agricultural workforce eventually became Mexican and Filipino, and that Tom Joad was always meant to be a political character — which is exactly why he keeps getting resurrected.
The conversation broadens into a genuinely fun argument about protest music and whether great art requires great despair. Mitchell traces the lineage from Guthrie to Dylan (whom Guthrie mentored) to Springsteen, and notes that Guthrie has had a moment of renewed relevance over the past year as his music finds new audiences at No Kings and anti-ICE protests. He and Chuck walk through the iterations of protest music across the decades — The Clash and Blondie as deeply political acts, Springsteen's own evolution from apolitical rock star to a man now delivering angry speeches from the concert stage, and Jesse Welles finding real modern success in the form. They debate whether a fictional account can land harder than a true story, whether The Grapes of Wrath would even be a bestseller if published today, and what Tom Joad would make of contemporary America — with Mitchell arguing that the collapse of organized labor would genuinely shock both Joad and Guthrie. The episode closes on a pointed political note: Mitchell contends that Trump's corruption so far exceeds anything Nixon did, and that Nixon himself would be considered a lefty by modern standards. The film is streaming now on PBS.org and the PBS app.

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Timeline:
(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements)
00:00 Greg Mitchell joins the Chuck ToddCast
01:30 Making an appearance in Woody Guthrie and the Ghost of Tom Joad Today
03:45 Chose the subject because he’s obsessed with the Depression era
04:45 Started seeing connections between Woody Guthrie and John Steinbeck
07:00 Was it difficult to get the rights for the music/story?
09:00 Creating protest songs like This Land Is Your Land
10:15 Discussing the Ghost of Tom Joad with Tom Morello
12:00 Tom Joad was an inspiration for Springsteen
13:00 Woody has always remained relevant. Songs have been covered
14:15 Tom Joad was meant to be political in Grapes of Wrath
16:00 Seeing migrant work camps deeply affected Woody Guthrie
17:45 Majority of agricultural workers became Mexicans & Philipinos
19:00 Steinbeck was denounced as a communist
19:45 “This land is your land” could be the national anthem
21:00 Do we need times of great despair to produce great art?
23:15 There have been iterations of protest music over the decades
24:15 Jesse Wells has found modern success with protest music
24:45 Bruce Springsteen & Tom Morello have produced new protest music
26:00 Groups like The Clash and Blondie were very political
26:45 Springsteen started as apolitical, then evolved to become political
28:30 Springsteen now gives angry speeches during his concerts
30:30 Can a fictional account land harder than a true story?
33:00 Is Guthrie to Dylan to Springsteen the lineage of protest music?
34:00 Guthrie was Bob Dylan’s mentor
35:30 Would Grapes of Wrath be a best seller if it came out today?
36:15 Film is available at PBS and the PBS app
36:30 What would Tom Joad feel if he was in modern America?
37:15 The fall of unions would shock Guthrie and Joad
38:15 Trump’s corruption so far exceeds anything done by Nixon
40:00 Nixon would be considered a “lefty” by modern standards
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Chuck Todd closes the book on primary season with Florida — and leads with the stunning upset that ended it. State Rep. Angie Nixon, a Jacksonville former union organizer and Democratic Socialists of America member, beat Alex Vindman with 56% of the vote despite being outraised roughly 16-to-1, and will now face appointed Republican Sen. Ashley Moody in November for the final two years of Marco Rubio's old seat. Chuck’s read is that this wasn't a movement election so much as a performance gap: Vindman ran like the presumptive nominee, hoarded his money for a general election he never reached, and got flatly outworked with primary voters. He's curious what Vindman does with that war chest, and notes Vindman's whole profile felt like first-term Trump resistance in a cycle that's moved on. Elsewhere in Florida: Debbie Wasserman Schultz won in a majority-Black district, Cory Mills lost his primary, Republican turnout meaningfully outpaced Democratic turnout in Florida, and Chuck thinks it's improbable but not impossible for David Jolly to beat Byron Donalds in the governor's race. But the bigger story is national, and it's about turnout as a tea leaf. More Trump-endorsed candidates went down, part of a trend Chuck argues shows Trump's relevance melting away as his approval drops — and that he's actively making things harder for his own party. Democrats cast 57% of primary ballots nationally, up from 54% in 2018, with the biggest jump in Alabama and double-digit increases across multiple states. Chuck is careful with the caveat: primary turnout is a thermometer, not a crystal ball — it tells you where your floor is, not your ceiling. Texas Democratic turnout rose even with marquee Republican races on the ballot, Kansas Republican turnout cratered (though Democrats still have work to do there), and Florida Democrats hemorrhaged voters to no-party affiliation — meaning you can see something real happening in Texas that simply isn't happening in Florida. His bottom line: Democrats will win more votes in November, and history says they win the midterms. The open question is whether they can take both chambers.
Then, filmmaker and author Greg Mitchell joins the Chuck Toddcast to discuss Woody Guthrie and the Ghost of Tom Joad Today, his new PBS documentary narrated by Rosanne Cash and featuring music from Bruce Springsteen, which traces the bond Guthrie forged with John Steinbeck during a campaign to ease the suffering of migrants in California — and argues those 1930s conflicts have unmistakable echoes in the present. Mitchell, a Depression-era obsessive who has written extensively about American politics since the 1930s, explains how he began seeing the connections between Guthrie and Steinbeck and why he refused to make a straight biopic: he wanted a film with current ramifications, which is why it closes with Springsteen's "The Ghost of Tom Joad" set against images of immigrants surrounded by federal agents and protesters holding signs quoting Guthrie. He and Chuck get into the story behind "This Land Is Your Land" (which wasn't the song's original title), the mechanics of securing the rights to the music and the story, his conversation with Tom Morello about the Springsteen song, and how seeing the migrant work camps firsthand fundamentally transformed Guthrie as an artist. Mitchell notes that Steinbeck was denounced as a communist for his trouble, that the majority of California's agricultural workforce eventually became Mexican and Filipino, and that Tom Joad was always meant to be a political character — which is exactly why he keeps getting resurrected.
The conversation broadens into a genuinely fun argument about protest music and whether great art requires great despair. Mitchell traces the lineage from Guthrie to Dylan (whom Guthrie mentored) to Springsteen, and notes that Guthrie has had a moment of renewed relevance over the past year as his music finds new audiences at No Kings and anti-ICE protests. He and Chuck walk through the iterations of protest music across the decades — The Clash and Blondie as deeply political acts, Springsteen's own evolution from apolitical rock star to a man now delivering angry speeches from the concert stage, and Jesse Welles finding real modern success in the form. They debate whether a fictional account can land harder than a true story, whether The Grapes of Wrath would even be a bestseller if published today, and what Tom Joad would make of contemporary America — with Mitchell arguing that the collapse of organized labor would genuinely shock both Joad and Guthrie. The episode closes on a pointed political note: Mitchell contends that Trump's corruption so far exceeds anything Nixon did that Nixon himself would be considered a lefty by modern standards. The film is streaming now on PBS.org and the PBS app.
Finally, Chuck hops into the ToddCast Time Machine to revisit the 72 year struggle of the women’s suffrage movement before achieving the ratification of the 19th amendment, presents his ToddCast Top 5 list of Democratic Presidential hopefuls who will work the hardest to win the nomination and answers listeners’ questions in the “Ask Chuck” segment.


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Timeline:
(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements)
00:00 Chuck Todd’s introduction
01:30 Don’t miss the Toddcast Special Report on the Lakers sale
06:30 Primary season is basically wrapped up after Florida
07:45 Raw primary turnout is a good tealeaf to read ahead of midterms
09:00 Democratic voters have been more enthusiastic w/ higher turnout
09:30 Alex Vindman loses Florida senate primary to Angie Nixon
10:30 Vindman ran his race like he was the presumptive nominee
11:00 Nixon just outworked Vindman with primary voters
11:30 Vindman hoarded his money for the general
12:30 This wasn’t a movement election, Nixon just performed
13:15 The importance of the African-American vote in Dem primaries
15:15 Need to live in Florida for more than a couple years to run successfully
15:45 Most of the carpetbagger candidates lost their primaries
16:30 Will be interesting to see what Vindman does with his war chest
18:00 Voters care if you are of/from their community
20:00 Vindman felt like first-term Trump resistance
21:00 It’s improbable but not impossible for David Jolly to beat Byron Donalds
22:15 Florida Republican turnout was much higher than Dems
23:45 Debbie Wasserman Schultz won in majority black district
24:45 Cory Mills loses his primary
25:30 More Trump endorsed candidates lost their primaries
27:15 Trump backed candidates losing has become a trend
27:45 Trump is going out of his way to make it harder for Republicans
28:30 Trump’s relevance is melting away as his approval drops
31:45 Democratic electorate is expanding in most competitive states
32:15 Primary turnout is a thermometer, not a crystal ball
32:45 Turnout tells you where your floor is, not the ceiling
34:30 Democrats outperformed their primary edge in the general in 2018
36:00 Democrats cast 57% of primary ballots, compared to 54% in ‘18
37:00 Biggest jump in Dem turnout was in Alabama
37:45 Multiple states with Democrat turnout up double digits
39:45 Alabama’s governor race may be very competitive
42:30 Texas Dem turnout was higher even with marquee GOP races
43:45 Florida Dems lost voters to a no party affiliation
44:30 You can see something happening in Texas, not in Florida
45:30 Republican turnout was way down in Kansas
47:15 Dems probably still have more work to do in Kansas
48:00 Dems will win more votes in November,
48:45 History says Dems win the midterms, but can they win both chambers?
56:30 Greg Mitchell joins the Chuck ToddCast
58:00 Making an appearance in Woody Guthrie and the Ghost of Tom Joad Today
1:00:15 Chose the subject because he’s obsessed with the Depression era
1:01:15 Started seeing connections between Woody Guthrie and John Steinbeck
1:03:30 Was it difficult to get the rights for the music/story?
1:05:30 Creating protest songs like This Land Is Your Land
1:06:45 Discussing the Ghost of Tom Joad with Tom Morello
1:08:30 Tom Joad was an inspiration for Springsteen
1:09:30 Woody has always remained relevant. Songs have been covered
1:10:45 Tom Joad was meant to be political in Grapes of Wrath
1:12:30 Seeing migrant work camps deeply affected Woody Guthrie
1:14:15 Majority of agricultural workers became Mexicans & Philipinos
1:15:30 Steinbeck was denounced as a communist
1:16:15 “This land is your land” could be the national anthem
1:17:30 Do we need times of great despair to produce great art?
1:19:45 There have been iterations of protest music over the decades
1:20:45 Jesse Wells has found modern success with protest music
1:21:15 Bruce Springsteen & Tom Morello have produced new protest music
1:22:30 Groups like The Clash and Blondie were very political
1:23:15 Springsteen started as apolitical, then evolved to become political
1:25:00 Springsteen now gives angry speeches during his concerts
1:27:00 Can a fictional account land harder than a true story?
1:29:30 Is Guthrie to Dylan to Springsteen the lineage of protest music?
1:30:30 Guthrie was Bob Dylan’s mentor
1:32:00 Would Grapes of Wrath be a best seller if it came out today?
1:32:45 Film is available at PBS and the PBS app
1:33:00 What would Tom Joad feel if he was in modern America?
1:33:45 The fall of unions would shock Guthrie and Joad
1:34:45 Trump’s corruption so far exceeds anything done by Nixon
1:36:30 Nixon would be considered a “lefty” by modern standards
1:37:15 ToddCast Time Machine moved due to Lakers deep dive special
1:38:45 The movement for women’s suffrage took 72 years
1:39:15 Movement started in Seneca Falls, NY with the “Declaration of Sentiments”
1:40:15 100 people sign that declaration. 68 women and 32 men
1:41:15 Women could work for wages & have no control over the money
1:42:00 The movement fractured over disagreement about the 15th amendment
1:43:00 Susan B. Anthony votes illegally and is arrested in 1872
1:43:30 Women’s suffrage amendment keeps being introduced and failing for 40 years
1:44:15 The people who started the movement die, and new leaders emerge
1:45:30 In 1919 congress passes the 19th Amendment, need 36 states to ratify
1:46:00 Tennessee becomes the final state needed to ratify
1:46:30 Vote keeps ending up tied in the Tennessee statehouse
1:47:30 Ratification passes the house 50-46
1:48:45 Women couldn’t immediately vote everywhere after passage
1:50:00 Charlotte Woodward was only signatory that lived to see 19th amendment
1:50:45 Woodward lived long enough to see it, but was too old/sick to vote herself
1:51:45 A political movement often requires one generation to build it for the next one
1:52:45 After Trump, America will need a hard fought reform movement
1:54:30 America eventually gets it right, after exhausting other paths
1:55:30 ToddCast Top 5 candidates working the hardest to win
1:56:00 #1 AOC
1:58:15 #2 Pete Buttigieg
1:58:30 #3 Kamala Harris
1:58:45 #4 Mark Kelly + #5 Gavin Newsom
2:00:30 Jon Ossoff didn’t need to make his Natalie comment
2:02:30 Andy Beshear + Rahm Emmanuel don’t scare red state Dems
2:08:00 Ask Chuck
2:09:00 Can Dems actually bring accountability to Trump if they take congress?
2:16:30 Why were outsider Dem candidates so competitive in MI and WI?
2:20:15 Why can Trump do whatever he wants unchecked?
2:25:45 How should newsrooms cover the Natalie Harp story??
2:31:00 How do we hold politicians to account for upholding the constitution despite religion?
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Chuck Todd closes the book on primary season with Florida — and leads with the stunning upset that ended it. State Rep. Angie Nixon, a Jacksonville former union organizer and Democratic Socialists of America member, beat Alex Vindman with 56% of the vote despite being outraised roughly 16-to-1, and will now face appointed Republican Sen. Ashley Moody in November for the final two years of Marco Rubio's old seat. Chuck’s read is that this wasn't a movement election so much as a performance gap: Vindman ran like the presumptive nominee, hoarded his money for a general election he never reached, and got flatly outworked with primary voters. He's curious what Vindman does with that war chest, and notes Vindman's whole profile felt like first-term Trump resistance in a cycle that's moved on. Elsewhere in Florida: Debbie Wasserman Schultz won in a majority-Black district, Cory Mills lost his primary, Republican turnout meaningfully outpaced Democratic turnout in Florida, and Chuck thinks it's improbable but not impossible for David Jolly to beat Byron Donalds in the governor's race. But the bigger story is national, and it's about turnout as a tea leaf. More Trump-endorsed candidates went down, part of a trend Chuck argues shows Trump's relevance melting away as his approval drops — and that he's actively making things harder for his own party. Democrats cast 57% of primary ballots nationally, up from 54% in 2018, with the biggest jump in Alabama and double-digit increases across multiple states. Chuck is careful with the caveat: primary turnout is a thermometer, not a crystal ball — it tells you where your floor is, not your ceiling. Texas Democratic turnout rose even with marquee Republican races on the ballot, Kansas Republican turnout cratered (though Democrats still have work to do there), and Florida Democrats hemorrhaged voters to no-party affiliation — meaning you can see something real happening in Texas that simply isn't happening in Florida. His bottom line: Democrats will win more votes in November, and history says they win the midterms. The open question is whether they can take both chambers.
Finally, Chuck hops into the ToddCast Time Machine to revisit the 72 year struggle of the women’s suffrage movement before achieving the ratification of the 19th amendment, presents his ToddCast Top 5 list of Democratic Presidential hopefuls who will work the hardest to win the nomination and answers listeners’ questions in the “Ask Chuck” segment.
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For free and unbiased Medicare help, dial (980) 734-3985 to speak with my trusted partner, Chapter, or go to askchapter.org/chuck / *Paid Partnership

Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options.

Timeline:
(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements)
00:00 Chuck Todd’s introduction
01:30 Don’t miss the Toddcast Special Report on the Lakers sale
06:30 Primary season is basically wrapped up after Florida
07:45 Raw primary turnout is a good tealeaf to read ahead of midterms
09:00 Democratic voters have been more enthusiastic w/ higher turnout
09:30 Alex Vindman loses Florida senate primary to Angie Nixon
10:30 Vindman ran his race like he was the presumptive nominee
11:00 Nixon just outworked Vindman with primary voters
11:30 Vindman hoarded his money for the general
12:30 This wasn’t a movement election, Nixon just performed
13:15 The importance of the African-American vote in Dem primaries
15:15 Need to live in Florida for more than a couple years to run successfully
15:45 Most of the carpetbagger candidates lost their primaries
16:30 Will be interesting to see what Vindman does with his war chest
18:00 Voters care if you are of/from their community
20:00 Vindman felt like first-term Trump resistance
21:00 It’s improbable but not impossible for David Jolly to beat Byron Donalds
22:15 Florida Republican turnout was much higher than Dems
23:45 Debbie Wasserman Schultz won in majority black district
24:45 Cory Mills loses his primary
25:30 More Trump endorsed candidates lost their primaries
27:15 Trump backed candidates losing has become a trend
27:45 Trump is going out of his way to make it harder for Republicans
28:30 Trump’s relevance is melting away as his approval drops
31:45 Democratic electorate is expanding in most competitive states
32:15 Primary turnout is a thermometer, not a crystal ball
32:45 Turnout tells you where your floor is, not the ceiling
34:30 Democrats outperformed their primary edge in the general in 2018
36:00 Democrats cast 57% of primary ballots, compared to 54% in ‘18
37:00 Biggest jump in Dem turnout was in Alabama
37:45 Multiple states with Democrat turnout up double digits
39:45 Alabama’s governor race may be very competitive
42:30 Texas Dem turnout was higher even with marquee GOP races
43:45 Florida Dems lost voters to a no party affiliation
44:30 You can see something happening in Texas, not in Florida
45:30 Republican turnout was way down in Kansas
47:15 Dems probably still have more work to do in Kansas
48:00 Dems will win more votes in November,
48:45 History says Dems win the midterms, but can they win both chambers?
52:15 ToddCast Time Machine moved due to Lakers deep dive special
53:45 The movement for women’s suffrage took 72 years
54:15 Movement started in Seneca Falls, NY with the “Declaration of Sentiments”
55:15 100 people sign that declaration. 68 women and 32 men
56:15 Women could work for wages & have no control over the money
57:00 The movement fractured over disagreement about the 15th amendment
58:00 Susan B. Anthony votes illegally and is arrested in 1872
58:30 Women’s suffrage amendment keeps being introduced and failing for 40 years
59:15 The people who started the movement die, and new leaders emerge
1:00:30 In 1919 congress passes the 19th Amendment, need 36 states to ratify
1:01:00 Tennessee becomes the final state needed to ratify
1:01:30 Vote keeps ending up tied in the Tennessee statehouse
1:02:30 Ratification passes the house 50-46
1:03:45 Women couldn’t immediately vote everywhere after passage
1:05:00 Charlotte Woodward was only signatory that lived to see 19th amendment
1:05:45 Woodward lived long enough to see it, but was too old/sick to vote herself
1:06:45 A political movement often requires one generation to build it for the next one
1:07:45 After Trump, America will need a hard fought reform movement
1:09:30 America eventually gets it right, after exhausting other paths
1:10:45 ToddCast Top 5 candidates working the hardest to win
1:11:15 #1 AOC
1:13:30 #2 Pete Buttigieg
1:13:45 #3 Kamala Harris
1:14:00 #4 Mark Kelly + #5 Gavin Newsom
1:15:45 Jon Ossoff didn’t need to make his Natalie comment
1:17:45 Andy Beshear + Rahm Emmanuel don’t scare red state Dems
1:23:00 Ask Chuck
1:24:00 Can Dems actually bring accountability to Trump if they take congress?
1:31:30 Why were outsider Dem candidates so competitive in MI and WI?
1:35:15 Why can Trump do whatever he wants unchecked?
1:40:45 How should newsrooms cover the Natalie Harp story??
1:46:00 How do we hold politicians to account for upholding the constitution despite religion?
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Chuck Todd and J.A. Adande explore the origins of the Crimson Tide and the remarkable rise of Bear Bryant. From Alabama’s early Rose Bowl triumphs and the beginnings of the Crimson Tide name to Bryant’s near-departure for the Miami Dolphins, they trace the moments that helped turn Alabama into the standard of college football.
They also examine one of the most complicated chapters in the program’s history: integration, Bear Bryant’s role in a changing South, and Alabama’s landmark 1970 matchup with USC.
It’s the story of how football became inseparable from Alabama—and how the foundation was laid for one of the greatest dynasties in sports history.
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With under 80 days to the midterms, Chuck Todd and Chris Cillizza pause the horse race for a full "where are we now" audit of the 2028 Democratic field — prompted, Chris admits, by listener pushback that they'd been too dismissive of Gavin Newsom. Using the Kalshi and Polymarket odds as a starting point rather than gospel, they work through a top tier of AOC, Newsom, and Jon Ossoff. Chuck's central thesis is that AOC could become a magnetic force on the scale of Trump in 2016 or Obama in 2008 — a candidacy the entire field gets measured against, potentially freezing out half the governors and senators eyeing a run. He maps how she could be the frontrunner while playing underdog in South Carolina, and why the new calendar's crowded first state may actually cushion her. On Newsom, Chuck is blunt: the prediction markets are artificially inflating him, the attention economy is doing the work, and a California governor with a mixed record has no obvious state to win. They also make the case that Kamala Harris ultimately doesn't run — and that not running is the smarter play for 2032.
The back half turns to the field's second tier and its long shots: whether Mark Kelly has the hunger and the issue to go with the biography (Chuck's dream ticket: Kelly and Warnock, order randomized), why John Glenn and Bill Bradley are the cautionary tales for résumé candidates, whether Ossoff can realistically jump straight from an $87 million Senate race into a billion-dollar presidential campaign, and a genuine dark-horse case for Rahm Emanuel built on the party's underinvestment in rural Black voters. They preview Tuesday's Florida primary — Byron Donalds's real ceiling, why Chuck thinks the general could land inside five points, the Mel Martinez precedent, and Corey Mills, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and Alex Vindman. Then the tone shifts hard: an angry, unsparing exchange about the expired US-Iran memorandum, the Strait of Hormuz, conditions aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, and Pete Hegseth's fitness for the job.
Timeline:
(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements)
00:00 Under 80 days out — and a full 2028 Democratic audit
01:06 Why Chuck thinks JD Vance will divide the right
02:08 The prediction markets as one data point, not the whole story
02:55 Reading Polymarket and Kalshi: AOC, Newsom, Ossoff at the top
05:12 Could AOC suck up all the oxygen the way Trump did in '16?
06:15 The egg-freezing story as proof of her magnetic pull
06:42 Skeptical Newsom can play in Michigan, Iowa, South Carolina
07:30 The impossible position for Newsom
08:16 AOC's advantage — no long record to defend
09:38 Could egg-freezing access become an issue she champions?
10:01 How her presence could paralyze half the field before it starts
10:57 Where does that leave Pritzker? Or Ossoff?
11:59 The formalized DNC calendar
13:37 Nevada, Michigan and the Culinary Union question
14:42 Why a crowded South Carolina helps the progressive lane
15:13 What 2020 looked like when South Carolina came fourth
15:49 Newsom's real problem: where does he actually win?
16:59 Harris's East Coast headquarters lesson
17:22 Advice: put your HQ in Michigan, not San Francisco
19:42 The counterargument: no gatekeepers left, and the hustler wins
20:10 Ossoff, Buttigieg & who's actually willing to burn the boats
21:08 Newsom one-on-one vs. Newsom in a big room
22:08 Would a swing-state Democrat invite Newsom to campaign?
23:04 Harris analysis: you don't buy in Malibu if you're running
24:06 The Dan Quayle risk if she runs under these circumstances
25:01 Newsom and Harris can't both run
26:20 Mark Kelly in Iowa & the quote that reads like a stump speech
27:15 Chuck's lab-built ticket: an astronaut and a pastor
27:50 Will the Democratic base accept Kelly?
29:30 Is Kelly too pro-business for this version of the party?
30:45 How Trump's attacks on Kelly may have helped him
31:33 The real gap: Kelly has no signature issue
32:03 AOC is the change candidate — inside the party and outside it
33:09 Biographies don't win the presidency
33:30 The cautionary tales: John Glenn and Bill Bradley
35:08 The charisma gap — and Kelly's habit of yelling to show energy
35:55 Scanning the long shots on the board
36:55 If not AOC, then Ro Khanna
37:16 Pritzker at 1% — the governor who could reach the left
37:46 Chuck's real dark horse: Rahm Emanuel
39:32 Democrats' rural problem isn't just rural whites
39:59 The left will never accept him
42:07 Not a cycle for an insider — but maybe for an ideas guy
42:27 The Wisconsin lesson: Crowley won against something
42:50 To Florida: Tuesday's primary and Tuesday night's live stream
43:35 Jolly-Donalds could land inside five points
44:01 Why Florida isn't as noncompetitive as people assume
44:44 Could DeSantis win a third term?
45:24 What's Donalds's real number?
46:16 The Mel Martinez precedent
48:29 Why Chuck thinks Jerry Demings had the better shot at Donalds
49:56 The 2018 what-if: Bernie, Soros, Gillum and DeSantis
50:43 Credit to DeSantis for saying what Trump never does
51:48 Debbie Wasserman Schultz in a majority-Black district
52:38 The Vindman question — and the residency problem
54:23 The US-Iran memorandum expires with no deal
55:46 A $1.5 trillion budget and a carrier crew that can't get fed
56:11 Testosterone tests and push-up contests while the Lincoln goes short
56:33 Operationally a disaster — and where's the audit?
57:57 Damaging the last institution still standing
59:51 The Nats get swept by the Mets
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