In this illuminating episode of The Detangled Podcast, hosts Jacqui McIntosh and Louis Driver are joined by industry educator and author Sandra Gittens. With a legacy spanning over three decades, Sandra shares invaluable insights into the evolution of textured hair education, highlighting the historical gaps in Afro hair training and the progress made in raising industry standards. From her experience writing the UK's first dedicated Afro hair curriculum to pushing for inclusive qualifications, Sandra offers a powerful perspective on where the industry has been—and where it needs to go.Key Topics CoveredThe absence of Afro and textured hair in historical training manuals and qualification standardsSandra’s journey in developing the first NVQ units for Afro hair in the UKHow miseducation impacts client experiences and stylist confidenceWhy inclusive education must be central to all hair training programmesA discussion on the cultural significance of Afro hair and why representation mattersWhat still needs to change in product development, education, and professional attitudesHero Products & Pro TipsSandra emphasises the importance of understanding hair texture and porosity over simply focusing on curl patternsAdvice for educators: “Embed textured hair into every unit—don't bolt it on.”For stylists: Ongoing education is key. “Never stop learning, because textured hair is always evolving.”Stay Connected:If you enjoyed this episode, follow, subscribe, and leave us a review. Join the conversation with us on social media:Avlon Europe: @avlonuk Avlon: @avlonHosts: Jacqui McIntosh – @jacqui.mcintosh Louis Driver – @louisdoeshairGuest: Sandra Gittes – @hannahmarciaaProduction CreditsProducers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntoshRecorded at: London Podcast Studios @londonpodcaststudiosCover Artwork Illustration: Habiba Nabisubi @bibanabiCover Design: Louis DriverWebsite: www.avloneurope.co.uk
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Ep.5 Natural Hair, Braiding, and Protective Styling
In this episode of The Detangled Podcast by Avlon, hosts Louis Driver and Jacqui McIntosh are joined by Aycan Kemal, owner of New York Hair Design, and returning guest Lathaniel Chambers for a rich and inspiring conversation on protective styling, braiding techniques, and natural haircare culture. Aycan shares her phenomenal 25-year journey in the textured hair industry, including her Guinness World Record for the fastest braiding, and her passion for competition styling. Together with Lathaniel, they unpack what makes a style truly protective, how to maintain scalp health, and why natural hair trends are evolving for the better. From award-winning artistry to salon best practices, this episode is packed with insights for professionals and enthusiasts alike.Key Topics CoveredDefining Protective Styling: Tension, technique, and how to avoid long-term damage.Braiding Techniques & Style Trends: Including boho braids, knotless styles, and Fulani-inspired patterns.Aycan’s Career & Accolades: From opening her salon in 2000 to entering the Hall of Fame and setting a Guinness World Record.Product Knowledge & Texture Focus: Tailoring treatments to Type 3 & Type 4 curls, plus insider product tips.Scalp Health & Maintenance: How to manage braids between salon visits without compromising style longevity.Salon Culture & the Natural Hair Movement: Embracing authenticity, inclusivity, and the evolving expectations of textured hair clients.Stay Connected:If you enjoyed this episode, follow, subscribe, and leave us a review. Join the conversation with us on social media:Avlon Europe: @avlonuk Avlon: @avlonHosts: Jacqui McIntosh – @jacqui.mcintosh Louis Driver – @louisdoeshairGuests: Aycan Kemal: @nyhairdesign Lathaniel Chambers: @thehairmechanicldnProduction CreditsProducers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntoshRecorded at: London Podcast Studios @londonpodcaststudiosCover Artwork Illustration: Habiba Nabisubi @bibanabiCover Design: Louis DriverWebsite: www.avloneurope.co.uk
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Ep.4 Curly & Coily Hair 101 – The Ultimate Guide
In this informative solo episode of The Detangled Podcast, co-host Jacqui McIntosh is joined by Avlon educator Hannah Marcia for a deep dive into the foundations of curly and coily haircare. Whether you're just beginning your natural hair journey or refining your routine, this episode is packed with practical advice, product recommendations, and professional insight into caring for textured hair.Together, Jacqui and Hannah explore the science behind curls and coils, the importance of recognising hair's individual needs, and how to select the right products based on porosity, density, and lifestyle. They also unpack the role of curl typing, how to apply product effectively, and how social media has shaped (and sometimes confused) the conversation around natural hair.Expect real talk, expert guidance, and empowering advice to help listeners feel more confident about their hair and routines.Key Topics CoveredUnderstanding the structure of curly and coily hairWhy porosity, not just curl type, mattersThe pros and pitfalls of curl typingHow to build an effective haircare routineClarifying the role of leave-ins, mousses, gels, and moreInsights into co-washing and scalp healthSocial media’s influence on curl careEmbracing volume vs. definitionTransparent, honest hair consultationsStay Connected:If you enjoyed this episode, follow, subscribe, and leave us a review. Join the conversation with us on social media:Avlon Europe: @avlonuk Avlon: @avlonHosts: Jacqui McIntosh – @jacqui.mcintosh Louis Driver – @louisdoeshairGuest: Hannah Marcia – @hannahmarciaaProduction CreditsProducers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntosh Recorded at: London Podcast Studios @londonpodcaststudios Cover Artwork Illustration: Habiba Nabisubi @bibanabi Cover Design: Louis DriverWebsite: www.avloneurope.co.uk
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Ep.3 Behind The Brand
In this deep-dive episode, hosts Louis Driver and Jacqui McIntosh sit down with Lathaniel Chambers, one of Avlon’s longest-standing educators, to explore the story behind the brand. Together, they reflect on Avlon’s legacy in textured haircare—from its game-changing product innovations to its science-led, family-run foundations.The conversation spans decades of hair history, from the launch of the Affirm Relaxer system to the rise of the natural hair movement and the formulation of bestsellers like 'As I Am' and 'Uberliss'. Jacqui and Lathaniel share personal anecdotes, professional milestones, and why working with Avlon continues to inspire their practice today. With a strong focus on integrity, innovation, and education, this episode celebrates the values that have made Avlon a global name in textured haircare.Key Topics CoveredThe history and ethos behind AvlonGame-changing product launches: Affirm, Fiber Guard, As I Am, UberlissThe influence of Dr. Ali N. Syed and the power of science in haircarePersonal journeys of long-term Avlon educatorsEducation, integrity, and innovation in product developmentSustainability, ingredient transparency, and product testingThe importance of professional guidance and product retail in salonsStay ConnectedFollow the hosts: Louis Driver: @louisdoeshair Jacqui McIntosh: @jacqui.mcintoshFollow Avlon: Avlon Europe: @avloneurope Avlon: @avlonConnect with our guest: Lathaniel Chambers: @lathanielscoutureProduction CreditsProducers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntoshRecorded at: London Podcast Studios @londonpodcaststudiosCover Artwork Illustration: Habiba Nabisubi @bibanabiCover Design: Louis Driverwww.avloneurope.co.uk
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Ep.2 Meet The Team
In this foundational episode, we introduce you to the rest of the talented education team behind Avlon Education — Lathaniel Chambers, Hannah Marcia, and Pashcan’el Mitchell. Join us for a roundtable conversation spotlighting each guest’s expertise, career journey, passions, and what makes them shine in the professional hair industry.Discover each educator’s "zone of genius," the hero products they swear by, their go-to hair hacks, and the icons who inspire their work. Plus, hear their thoughts on the power of sharing knowledge through podcasting — and what exciting projects are on the horizon.Key Topics CoveredMeet the Avlon Education team and explore their career highlightsAreas of expertise and what they’re best known forHero products from Avlon’s professional portfolioPro tips, hair hacks, and insider techniquesCreative influences and upcoming projectsThe importance of education in the beauty and hair industryStay ConnectedIf you enjoyed today’s episode, don’t forget to follow, subscribe, and leave a review. Join the conversation with us on social media:Avlon Europe: @avlonukAvlon: @avlonFollow our incredible guests:Lathaniel: @lathanielscoutureHannah: @hannahmarciaaPash: @pashcanelHosts:Jacqui McIntosh: @jacqui.mcintoshLouis Driver: @louisdoeshairProduction CreditsProducers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntoshRecorded at: London Podcast StudiosCover Artwork Illustration: Habiba Nabisubi @bibanabiCover Design: Louis Driver
The Detangled Podcast by Avlon is a space for textured conversation — created for hair professionals, curious consumers, and anyone passionate about curls, coils, and care. Hosted by Avlon’s Jacqui McIntosh (Education Director) and Louis Driver (Educator), each episode explores the science, culture, and lived experience behind textured hair.From product insights and professional techniques to identity, representation and education, we’re here to nourish understanding and untangle myths. Add this podcast to your routine — because growth isn’t just for your hair. Together, we’re building community, strand by strand.Stay ConnectedLike, subscribe, and leave a review. Join the conversation with us on social media:Avlon Europe: @avlonukAvlon: @avlonFollow our hosts:Jacqui McIntosh: @jacqui.mcintoshLouis Driver: @louisdoeshairwww.avloneurope.co.uk
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