Masters of Scale

Costco has terrible governance. By conventional ratings, Patagonia would score even worse. And since 2008, companies rated as having good governance have actually performed worse for their shareholders. Recorded live at Masters of Scale Summit in San Francisco, this special episode brings together Eric Ries, author of The Lean Startup, and Krista Tippett, host of On Being, to dig into Eric’s new book, Incorruptible. Eric explains why he’s now calling it corruption when a company people love turns extractive as it scales, how what he calls financial gravity pulls even great organizations toward the same dismal shape, and why shareholder primacy is a far newer idea than most leaders realize.
This conversation was recorded live as part of Masters of Scale Summit on October 22, 2026 in San Francisco.
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John Furner started working in a Walmart garden center 33 years ago. Now, as CEO, he’s leading one of America’s largest companies at a critical moment. He talks with host Jeff Berman about how the influential retailer is transforming its business in the age of AI.
This conversation was recorded live as part of Masters of Scale Summit in October 2026 at the Presidio Theatre in San Francisco.
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Free streaming and prestige-quality makeup at drugstore prices both sound like they must come with a catch. For Tubi and e.l.f. Beauty, that skepticism became the opening. Recorded live at Masters of Scale Summit, this conversation brings together former Tubi CEO Anjali Sud and e.l.f. president Kory Marchisotto, two leaders who took brands once written off as downmarket to 110 million monthly users and 30 straight quarters of growth. The pair dig into their unconventional Super Bowl plays, from Tubi’s cowboy-hat spot and free Super Bowl stream to e.l.f.’s Jennifer Coolidge and Melissa McCarthy ads. They explain how TikTok Live and “zero distance” let fans steer product and programming, and why e.l.f. built its “So Many Dicks” campaign around boardroom diversity. Two weeks after this recording, Anjali announced she’s taking the helm at SiriusXM, a move that underscores what she built at Tubi.
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Would you hand a stranger your bank passwords, your private messages, and control of your personal information? That’s the ask when the stranger is an AI agent, like Meta Muse, Claude Duet, or OpenAI Dots. In this special episode from Open to Debate, recorded live at the Masters of Scale Summit in San Francisco on October 22, 2026, Jeff Berman, co-host of Masters of Scale, moderates a debate on the question: should we stop trusting AI agents with our information? Arguing yes, Meredith Whittaker, president of Signal, says the convenience comes at the cost of our privacy, since agents need sweeping access that could undermine encryption, expose personal data, and create new vulnerabilities for hackers. Arguing no, Neil Chilson, head of AI policy at the Abundance Institute, counters that existing laws, competition, and targeted safeguards can manage the risks without giving up the productivity gains. So how much control is too much?
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This episode originally ran Friday, November 6th on the podcast “Open to Debate.”
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Google DeepMind co-founder and chair Demis Hassabis says the world is not ready yet for what’s next in AI. He joins Reid Hoffman to talk about how to effectively govern frontier AI, why a more diverse group of experts need a seat at the table, and more.
This conversation was recorded live as part of Masters of Scale Summit in October of 2026 at the Presidio Theatre in San Francisco.
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