Mamamia Out Loud

If Barack Obama says there are aliens, then there are aliens. While the former President is busy clarifying that he didn't actually see any ETs in the Oval Office, Jessie Stephens has a theory: Is men’s obsession with outer space just a symptom of not having enough mental load?
Plus, the political "pub test" is officially dead, and the "algorithm test" has moved in and made itself comfortable. We’re looking at why the Internet is both the world’s best fact-checker and its most dangerous bias-confirmer. And Holly Wainwright is asking, what IS the actual pub test in 2026?
And because we clearly haven't done enough critical thinking, we’re wading into the chaos of Married At First Sight. Jessie, of course, is an expert in the field, and she’s bringing several philosophical questions from the new season, starting with: Can you ever come back from a sexual chemistry deficit?
In other business, apparently, humans "fall off a cliff" at age 44, which is sending Amelia Lester into a spiral. Happily, there’s a pick-me-up coming: Hollywood A-listers are signalling that side-parts are back. What’s next? Skinny jeans and ballet flats? Oh.
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Listen: Wuthering Heights & the ‘Bad Man’ Controversy
Listen: "Uh-Oh, I'm A Finger Princess"
Listen: Jessie and Clare Stephens' Weird Twin Shit Just Got Weirder
Listen: An Affair Confession Live On Air
Listen: The Best (And Worst) Generations Of Parents. A Leaderboard!
Listen: The Most Bizarre Celebrity Profile We’ve Ever Read
Listen: Do I Matter? & The Bathroom Taboo
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What to read:
Mamamia recaps MAFS: Two divas finally storm out.
'Everything I've ever wanted': MAFS' Brook Crompton is expecting a baby.
Mamamia recaps MAFS: The commitment ceremony from hell.
Millennials aren’t going to like this hairstyle making a comeback.
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Outlouders, enjoy this free bite of Mia Freedman, Holly Wainwright & Amelia Lester. Catch the full chaos at 5 pm TODAY. Not a subscriber yet? Honestly, why wait?
Holly loved Wuthering Heights. Amelia hated it. Mia was meh - probably the most batshit of all reactions about the most talked-about movie of the year.
So today we get into it. Mia Freedman asks Amelia why she thinks Margot Robbie was so miscast as Cathy, why she wished Jacob Elordi came with subtitles and why she’d like two hours of her life back, please. And Mia wants Holly to explain why there was a barking woman on a leash, and whether the finger-sniffing scene was, actually, in Emily Bronte’s classic novel.
It’s a no holds barred dissection of the choices made by Emerald Fennell and of course, why Mia walked out of the premiere.
Remember, this is your free sample of today's subs episode. The full debrief drops for subscribers at 5pm.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: Wuthering Heights & the ‘Bad Man’ Controversy
Listen: "Uh-Oh, I'm A Finger Princess"
Listen: Jessie and Clare Stephens' Weird Twin Shit Just Got Weirder
Listen: An Affair Confession Live On Air
Listen: The Best (And Worst) Generations Of Parents. A Leaderboard!
Listen: The Most Bizarre Celebrity Profile We’ve Ever Read
Listen: Do I Matter? & The Bathroom Taboo
Listen to The Quicky: “Outrageous & Provocative” Holly Wainwright’s Surprising Review of Wuthering Heights
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What to read:
'I thought I loved the new Wuthering Heights. So why did I walk out feeling so uneasy?'
A brutally honest review of Wuthering Heights, a movie that will force you to scream.
The two big problems with the Wuthering Heights cast announcement.
'In defence of Saltburn, 2023's most divisive movie.'
There's a much more controversial Saltburn scene than the bathtub one.
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Did Australian politics just take a little topple off a glass cliff, or is the ‘rolling’ of Liberal leader Sussan Ley much more complicated than that? We’ve got the TLDR.
And, Wuthering Heights is everywhere and so is criticism of just what kind of “greatest love story” it is. A very sexy one, or a downright irresponsible one?
Also, looksmaxxing. What is it? Who’s doing it? And why does it have to involve 17 different tablets every morning and a whole lot of money?
Oh, and a little round up of scurrilous gossip for you. What do Celeste Barber, Ada Nicodemou and the Beckham family all have in common? They’re all trying to navigate some big emotional moments via social media. And look, for the Beckhams, it’s not going well…
Listen to Amelia Lester, Holly Wainwright and Jessie Stephens get into all that and other stuff too, on today’s Mamamia Out Loud.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: "Uh-Oh, I'm A Finger Princess"
Listen: Jessie and Clare Stephens' Weird Twin Shit Just Got Weirder
Listen: An Affair Confession Live On Air
Listen: The Best (And Worst) Generations Of Parents. A Leaderboard!
Listen: The Most Bizarre Celebrity Profile We’ve Ever Read
Listen: Do I Matter? & The Bathroom Taboo
Listen: The Female Emaciation Era — Holly & Jessie Weigh In
Listen: An Urgent Theory About Kim Kardashian & Lewis Hamilton
Listen to The Quicky: “Outrageous & Provocative” Holly Wainwright’s Surprising Review of Wuthering Heights
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Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
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What to read:
A brutally honest review of Wuthering Heights, a movie that will force you to scream.
Marty Supreme is a perfect film, except for one distracting detail.
Emerald Fennell was talking to her male friends when she came up with Promising Young Woman.
Australia's favourite comedy couple Celeste Barber and Api Robin have separated.
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Outlouders, it’s Friday the 13th and the vibes are… chaotic. From Wuthering Heights to Finger Princesses to The Year of the Fire Horse and our weekly reccos, today's show is A LOT.
We’re about to enter the Year of the Fire Horse and apparently it’s all action, freedom and breakthrough energy. Unless you’re a Pig (sorry, Holly Wainwright). Jessie Stephens and Clare Stephens are claiming this as their zodiac Super Bowl, but there’s a tiny historical footnote involving superstition, falling birth rates and the suggestion Fire Horses are “too wild.” Rude.
And, the robots have taken over your child’s class photo. And no, we're not 'just' talking fixing gappy smiles. Add in AI-cheating uni students, 200-written-in-a-year AI romance novels by one author and its controversial use in true crime documentaries and suddenly we’re asking: are we outsourcing our brains? Or just evolving?
Plus: the petty hills we will absolutely die on. Quiet carriages. TEABAG OUT. No, Coke Zero isn’t fine. Yes, you must wave. The list is long and, at times, unhinged.
And finally… are you a Finger Princess? The friend who asks questions she could very easily Google. We fear it’s us.
Welcome to Friday, friends. It's a vibe.
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Recommendations
Clare recommends the podcast Adrift.
Jessie recommends The Correspondent by Virginia Evans and True Crime Conversation's, The 15-Minute Trial That Found Courtney Herron's Killer Not Guilty.
Holly recommends Wuthering Heights, (the OG) by Emily Bronte.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: Jessie and Clare Stephens' Weird Twin Shit Just Got Weirder
Listen: An Affair Confession Live On Air
Listen: The Best (And Worst) Generations Of Parents. A Leaderboard!
Listen: The Most Bizarre Celebrity Profile We’ve Ever Read
Listen: Do I Matter? & The Bathroom Taboo
Listen: The Female Emaciation Era — Holly & Jessie Weigh In
Listen: An Urgent Theory About Kim Kardashian & Lewis Hamilton
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
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Watch Mamamia Out Loud:
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What to read:
Day 15 of the robots telling me what to eat.
'Gen Z knows more about AI than their bosses. It's about to change how we all work.'
'I walk straight into them': 17 women on the petty hill they will die on.
We asked women to share their acts of micro-pettiness. Prepare to take notes.
2025 was dominated by the Let Them Theory. 2026 will be Let Them Be Petty.
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Clare Stephens, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Tina Matolov
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
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Outlouders, enjoy this free bite of Mia exploring what we're (scientifically) calling 'weird twin shit' with resident Mamamia twins, Jessie and Clare Stephens. Catch the full chaos of Jessie And Clare Stephens’ Weird Twin Shit Just Got Weirder at 5 pm TODAY. Not a subscriber yet? Honestly, why wait?

Jessie Stephens is pregnant with twins — which feels cosmically aggressive when you remember she is a twin (to Clare Stephens — keep up, people). Especially when you consider that Jessie and Clare were raised by a woman who had two sets of identical twins herself. And yes, Anne Stevens would like the universe to calm down.
On this subscriber episode, Mia Freedman gets Jessie and Clare in the studio to unpack eerie twin intuition (just one example: Clare knew Jessie had two heartbeats going on in her womb before Jessie even told her), and the very real logistics of carrying two babies at once.
We talk:
Why some people say “How exciting!” at the news of twins while others go instantly grey

The science vs superstition of twins having twins

Miscarriage, sibling timing, and the emotional whiplash of joy and fear

Collapsed ribs, reflux, and the indignity of sleeping upright

Plus, there’s debate about birth-room access, grandparent maths, and whether 'weird twin shit' is now officially hereditary.
It’s intimate. It’s chaotic. It’s extremely twin-coded.

Remember, this is your free sample of today's subs episode. The full debrief drops for subscribers at 5pm.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: An Affair Confession Live On Air
Listen: The Best (And Worst) Generations Of Parents. A Leaderboard!
Listen: The Most Bizarre Celebrity Profile We’ve Ever Read
Listen: Do I Matter? & The Bathroom Taboo
Listen: The Female Emaciation Era — Holly & Jessie Weigh In
Listen: An Urgent Theory About Kim Kardashian & Lewis Hamilton
Listen: Scurrilous Gossip - Karl Stefanovic, Melania Trump & Sydney Sweeney, Oh My
Listen: Fertility Vampires & The Murkiness Of 'Affair Baiting'
Listen: Jessie's Twins Update & What We Really Did Over The Holidays
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
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Watch Mamamia Out Loud:
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What to read:
JESSIE STEPHENS: On being pregnant with twins. As a twin. With twin brothers.
"We lived 30 years as fraternal twins. Then, two weeks ago, we took a test."
CLARE STEPHENS: 'The story of how I became a (very viral) meme.'
CLARE STEPHENS: A rude stranger, a note from a neighbour and the age of utter intolerance.
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