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In episode #117 of The Bitcoin Way Podcast, Michael Jordan sits down with industrial cybersecurity expert Luke de Wolf to break down the real threats facing Bitcoin — and how to defend against them.
Drawing on his book Defending Bitcoin, Luke makes the case that Bitcoin is becoming critical infrastructure, and walks through security at every layer: from individual self-custody, privacy, and multisig to the systemic risks that matter most.
The conversation covers mining pool centralization, governance concentration around Bitcoin Core, financial attacks like debanking and CBDCs, and the surprising truth about how Bitcoin could actually die — not from quantum or a single attack, but from complacency.
Essential viewing for anyone serious about understanding Bitcoin’s true security and how to protect it.
Follow Luke on X at https://x.com/lukedewolf, get his book Defending Bitcoin at https://defendingbitcoin.com, and check out BTC Hel at https://btchel.com.
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Introduction
01:46 Defending Bitcoin & the Monetary Grid
06:11 Self-Custody & Getting Off Exchanges
08:43 Privacy as a Defense Layer
10:40 The CIA Triad & Digital Security
12:00 Network-Level Threats & Decentralization
16:15 Node Threats & Implementations
18:30 Mining Pool Centralization
20:23 Decentralization as Personal Responsibility
21:57 Security vs. Convenience
24:29 Self-Custody, Nodes & Hash Rate
26:16 Renting Hash Rate & Multisig
28:38 Governance & Bitcoin Core
37:01 The Book's Endorsers
38:15 Larry Lepard's SIM-Swap Story
42:16 Debanking, CBDCs & Operation Chokepoint
46:30 How Bitcoin Dies: Complacency & Quantum
52:06 Call to Action
52:52 BTC Hel Conference
55:29 Where to Get the Book
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