#654: Fights about money are common, but they're rarely about math. They're about power, shame, vulnerability, and trust. And no amount of data or fancy spreadsheets is going to fix it. What you need is a better system for fairness, more open communication, and a shared ambition.
In this candid conversation with Heather and Doug Bonaparte, we explore how two partners rebuilt confidence, handled their six-figure student loans, and designed a rhythm for money talks that actually works.
Together they share how early money stories, law school debt, and the Great Recession shaped their dynamic, plus the tools they used to find fairness at home and in their finances
Key Takeaways
Why 50/50 isn't always fair and how to do it better
The small ritual that turned dreaded money talks into something they actually look forward to
How borrowing a strategy from the office made household decisions way less stressful
The surprising fix for resentment that had nothing to do with chores or budgeting
Why tackling six-figure student loans together became a turning point in their relationship
The mindset shift that helped them see debt not as a burden but as a shared opportunity
Resources and Links
Money Together, the book
DoMoneyTogether.com, learn more about the book and project
The Joint Account, weekly newsletter on joint finances at ReadTheJointAccount.com
Fair Play by Eve Rodsky, a framework for dividing household responsibilities
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Radical Transparency in Real Estate Predictions
#653: What happens when we actually check our predictions? In this episode we play clips from our 2023 conversation with Scott Trench from BiggerPockets and ask the uncomfortable question: were we right?
Two years ago we made some big calls about the housing market. Mortgage rates had doubled. Prices hadn’t crashed. Inventory was vanishing. Everyone had a theory about what would happen next. Now we look back with data and receipts to see which forecasts held up and which ones fell flat.
Scott joined us in 2023 to talk about the lock-in effect, the shortage of sellers, and why homebuilders might be stronger than expected. At the time it sounded contrarian. Two years later the evidence is in. Homeowners with low mortgage rates are still staying put. Builders have taken market share by offering creative incentives. Multifamily supply has exploded in some cities, while small residential properties have held their value better than many expected.
We revisit our old clips and grade them one by one. What did we get right about the housing market’s resilience and where did we miss? You’ll hear how rate volatility created bursts of demand, how regional migration reshaped supply, and why small investors can still find opportunities even when the headlines say otherwise.
This episode isn’t about victory laps. It’s about accountability. If you’ve ever wondered whether experts truly revisit their own calls, you’ll love this one.
Key Takeaways
The lock-in effect remains one of the most powerful forces in today’s housing market
Builders have been surprisingly resilient thanks to incentives and creative financing
Multifamily oversupply is pressuring rents in some regions while small residential properties remain steady
Market outcomes are more local than ever; national averages hide major differences
Real estate predictions matter only if we’re willing to go back and test them
Resources and Links
Our course Your First Rental Property open for enrollment through October 30 at affordanything.com/enroll
Chapters
Note: Timestamps will vary on individual listening devices based on dynamic advertising segments. The provided timestamps are approximate and may be several minutes off due to changing ad lengths.
(0:00) Why we’re replaying our 2023 predictions
(4:24) The strange housing market of 2023
(5:04) The lock-in effect and vanishing inventory
(6:03) Builders finding ways to keep selling homes
(12:12) How rate dips created bidding wars
(14:03) The construction pipeline and what happened next
(37:24) 2025 check-in on prices and incentives
(55:06) Regional winners and losers
(58:27) Small residential versus large multifamily
(1:06:08) Final reflections and what we learned
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Why High Earners Stay Broke, with Rose Han
#652: What if you did everything “right”, earned the degree, landed the six-figure job, and still felt broke?
That’s exactly where Rose Han found herself. Fresh out of NYU with a finance degree and a Wall Street paycheck, she had a negative net worth, mounting stress, and a sinking feeling that traditional success wasn’t the path to freedom.
In this conversation, Rose shares how she broke out of that cycle and built a seven-figure business that gives her time, independence, and peace of mind. We explore how she reframed her relationship with money, learned to scale her income, and built a life that aligns with her values.
Key Takeaways
When a “side hustle” becomes just a second job
How your uniqueness is your greatest asset
The slow season that led to a million-dollar leap
Resources and Links
Rose Han on YouTube
Add a Zero by Rose Han
Chapters
Note: Timestamps will vary on individual listening devices based on dynamic advertising segments. The provided timestamps are approximate and may be several minutes off due to changing ad lengths.
(0:00) Rose Han’s story begins: doing everything right yet still ending up broke
(5:45) The Cancun moment that sparked Rose’s financial awakening
(9:12) Discovering the three types of income and why some buy freedom while others don’t
(13:45) How Rose Han built her “Add a Zero” framework for lasting wealth
(21:30) From employee mindset to entrepreneur mindset
(25:15) The three levels of leverage and how to scale your income
(28:55) Why not every side hustle creates freedom
(31:45) Overcoming the fear of selling
(39:16) How to build a business while working full-time
(47:10) Rose’s real estate lessons and the myth of passive income
(53:55) Knowing when to walk away from an investment
(1:10:15) What financial freedom really means and how to find your own version
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Everyone Says Don’t Hold Bonds in Taxable Accounts. They’re Wrong
#651: Many who reach CoastFI find themselves in a strange in-between: financially independent enough to stop saving, but not ready to fully retire. When you’re living off a taxable brokerage for decades, does the “never hold bonds in taxable” rule still apply?
This episode explores how traditional asset location advice meets real-life spending. We unpack how to balance growth, taxes, and stability when your taxable account becomes your paycheck. Then we shift to two more listener dilemmas: helping a parent retire through shared home ownership, and using covered-call strategies to earn income from a stock-heavy portfolio.
Listener Questions in This Episode
Brandon (1:28): “I’m CoastFI and will withdraw from my taxable account for the next 20 years. Should I hold bonds in taxable, or keep it all in stocks?”
Brandon’s retirement accounts can grow untouched, but his taxable brokerage will fund two decades of living expenses. The classic rule says avoid bonds in taxable, yet Paula explains why that advice isn’t universal. When your taxable account funds your life, it needs to act as a complete portfolio. We discuss how to balance risk, prioritize liquidity, and plan your glidepath into CoastFI life.
Andrew (22:07): “My spouse and I co-own a home with my mother-in-law. How can we help her retire without creating family tension?”
We explore fair, flexible ways to support an aging parent while keeping relationships healthy. Paula explains how to design a win-win deal and why seller financing can help balance cash flow and peace of mind.
Chandan (49:16): “Can covered-call ETFs help me generate income from my stock portfolio and RSUs?”
We explain how covered calls work, what “covered” really means, and the tradeoff between steady income and limited upside. For those with concentrated stock positions, Paula shares when covered calls make sense—and when simpler plans win.
Key Takeaways
The “no bonds in taxable” rule isn’t universal. When you’re drawing solely from taxable accounts for many years, that account needs to function as its own mini-portfolio, including bonds or cash for stability.
Asset location follows purpose, not dogma. Tax efficiency matters, but liquidity and risk management take priority when the account funds your life.
Think in terms of buckets. Your retirement accounts can stay growth-oriented while your taxable account carries the ballast for spending.
Plan ahead for rebalancing. When taxable balances decline, know how and when to refill your bond/cash sleeve from other sources to keep your glidepath intact.
The transition to CoastFI is a mental shift. You’re no longer optimizing for maximum returns, you’re designing for peace of mind and steady withdrawals.
Chapters
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(01:28) Brandon’s CoastFI question: bonds in taxable when withdrawals start now
(03:56) Why “no bonds in taxable” is a rule of thumb, not a law
(12:42) How to treat taxable as a stand-alone portfolio
(18:31) Balancing tax efficiency with cash-flow reality
(25:26) Helping a parent retire through shared property ownership
(01:05:40) Options: Buying or selling with Options
(01:07:07) Covered calls explained simply, income with a ceiling
Resources & Links
Asset Location Cheat Sheet (free): affordanything.com/assetlocation
Guide to Double-I FIRE (free): affordanything.com/fiire
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How Money Moves Through Markets
#650: Sarah Williamson is the kind of person who shapes the decisions that move trillions of dollars. She earned her MBA with distinction from Harvard Business School and holds both the CFA and CAIA designations, two of the most demanding credentials in finance.
In this episode, she helps us understand how investing really works, who the major players are, how capital flows through the system, and why the incentives driving investors, activists, and asset managers often collide.
Sarah spent more than twenty years at Wellington Management, where she rose to Partner and Director of Alternative Investments, after working at Goldman Sachs, McKinsey & Company, and the U.S. Department of State. Today she leads FCLTGlobal, an organization dedicated to helping companies and investors focus on long-term value creation. She is also the author of The CEO’s Guide to the Investment Galaxy.
She explains why index funds now dominate corporate ownership, how Reddit and retail traders changed the market’s dynamics, and what it means when activists push companies to “bring earnings forward.” She also introduces a framework for understanding the “five solar systems” of investing, a map that connects everyone from day traders to trillion-dollar sovereign wealth funds.
Whether you are a passive investor or simply curious about what drives the market, this episode gives you the clarity to see how capital really moves and why it matters.
Key Takeaways
Reddit and the meme-stock movement permanently changed how individual investors move markets
Index funds now dominate ownership, creating both stability and new corporate challenges
Activists often prioritize short-term profit over long-term innovation
Sovereign wealth funds act like national endowments, investing with century-long horizons
Understanding who owns what (and why) makes you a more informed, confident investor
Resources and Links
The CEO’s Guide to the Investment Galaxy by Sarah Williamson
FCLTGlobal, a nonprofit that helps companies and investors focus on long-term value creation
Chapters
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(00:00) Meet Sarah Williamson: CEO, CFA, Harvard MBA, global finance leader
(5:41) The five “solar systems” that organize the investing world
(7:55) Reddit and the rise of the retail investor
(16:25) Tesla, brand loyalty, and shareholder activism
(22:57) How sovereign wealth funds invest for generations
(28:57) Inside asset managers and their incentives
(41:56) Activist investors and the tension between short and long term
If you want to understand the real power dynamics behind modern investing, from Reddit traders to trillion-dollar endowments, don’t miss this episode.
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You can afford anything, but not everything. We make daily decisions about how to spend money, time, energy, focus and attention – and ultimately, our life.
How do we make smarter decisions? How do we think from first principles?
On the surface, Afford Anything seems like a podcast about money and investing.
But under the hood, this is a show about how to think critically, recognize our behavioral blind spots, and make smarter choices. We’re into the psychology of money, and we love metacognition: thinking about how to think.
In some episodes, we interview world-class experts: professors, researchers, scientists, authors. In other episodes, we answer your questions, talking through decision-making frameworks and mental models.
Want to learn more? Download our free book, Escape, at http://affordanything.com/escape. Hosted by Paula Pant.