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    302 - Thomas Hoon, CEO: Power Series, Nexus Alliance - The Power of Being Small

    02/11/2026 | 42 mins.
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    Episode Title: 🇸🇬The Power of Being Small🇸🇬
    Never think you are bigger than what you are
    Singapore's success is sometimes spoken about as though it were a little bit of magic. But look closer and a rather different picture emerges: strategic clarity, an unrelenting focus on national priorities and the discipline to execute a long-term vision. A country with few natural resources understood early on that its greatest assets would have to be its people, its institutions and its ability to make itself indispensable.
    In this Heads Talk® conversation for the Power Series, Thomas Hoon and I dissect what Singapore's experience tells us about power, governance and the changing global order. Is the world genuinely becoming multipolar, or are several competing powers simply creating a state of managed turbulence? Can neutrality survive when the major powers increasingly expect countries to choose sides? And can electoral democracies compete with systems that plan and execute across generations rather than political cycles?
    We also get into the less rational forces shaping geopolitics: national pride, historical memory, identity and the psychology of great powers. Because decisions made in the name of national interest are not always driven by logic alone.
    Thomas brings 26 years of international business experience, including 13 years living and working in China, to a conversation that is at times candid, challenging and necessarily uncomfortable. Singapore offers no ready-made blueprint or framework for other nations. But it does offer a compelling case study in knowing your strengths, recognising your limitations and understanding where you can make yourself matter.
    Perhaps the lesson is not to think bigger, but to think clearly.
    Topics Covered: 
    ◻️ Small Is Power: Singapore's strategic clarity, national identity and the discipline of knowing precisely what you are, what you stand for and where you can make yourself indispensable.
    ◻️ The Multipolar Illusion: Are we really witnessing a multipolar world, or simply managed turbulence between competing powers with very different ambitions, capabilities and timelines?
    ◻️ Neutrality Is Not Enough: Singapore's masterclass in navigating US-China rivalry. Why neutrality alone offers little protection unless others have a compelling reason to need you.
    ◻️ The Democracy Time Trap: Can electoral democracies compete with countries that plan in generations rather than governments? The uncomfortable tension between political accountability and long-term national strategy.
    ◻️ Competence Over Ideology: Singapore's approach to governance, meritocracy, education and social cohesion. What happens when delivery matters more than political theatre?
    ◻️ The Psychology of Great Powers: Pride, historical memory, national identity and the dangerous emotional undercurrents driving geopolitical competition. When strategy gives way to sentiment, who pays the price?
    ◻️ The Singapore Mindset: Pragmatism without ideological baggage, investing in people and education, embracing diversity and, perhaps most importantly, knowing your limitations. Never mistake ambition for capability.
    ◻️ Living Between Giants: Thomas's 26 years in international business and experience on the ground in China. Why success in an uncertain world may have less to do with predicting what comes next and more with knowing how to adapt when it does.
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    301 - Allison J Pugh, Professor: Power Series, Johns Hopkins University - Meaning?!

    19/10/2026 | 1h 4 mins.
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    Episode Title: 🇺🇸Meaning?!🇺🇸 
    Human Premium. The Last Human Layer
    Another rather fascinating episode in the Heads Talk® Power Series, and one that takes the conversation somewhere very human.
    This episode was recorded in early spring. Its release was delayed by the long digital detox and other events, but it was well worth the wait. I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion with Allison J. Pugh, Professor of Sociology at Johns Hopkins University, 2026 Guggenheim Fellow and author of the award-winning The Last Human Job: The Work of Connecting in a Disconnected World.
    As we unpack Allison’s thinking on connective labour, the role of humans today, what dignity means in our time, and how we contend with the growing power and influence of algorithms, we begin to question what happens to the human elements that systems cannot easily measure, quantify or replace.
    Her work asks us to look beyond what systems measure and notice the human effort that makes those systems work.
    At the heart of our conversation is Allison's concept of connective labour: the often invisible work of building trust, understanding, empathy and connection. We explore why this labour remains so undervalued, and what happens when the systems we design begin extracting those human qualities while simultaneously automating the very interactions that give them meaning.
    Then we get into the less visible power: algorithms, feeds, AI and systems that are always on. Who is shaping whom? What happens when people increasingly feel processed rather than seen? And, perhaps most provocatively, could meaningful human connection itself become a luxury, available to those who can afford it?
    We also ask what happens to dignity, identity and purpose if AI removes more of the work through which people currently derive meaning. Universal basic income may answer an economic question. But does it answer the human one?
    As Allison puts it rather bluntly: switch off. At least for a period every week. What better advice is there for the situation we find ourselves in today?
    A conversation about technology, power and progress, yes. But ultimately, it is about us. What we value. What we preserve. And what we risk losing while marvelling at what machines can do.
    A fascinating conversation, and one I would happily have again.
    Topics Covered:
    ◽️ Connective Labour: Human Work We Fail to Measure
    ◽️ Algorithmic Power and Powerlessness
    ◽️ Feed Modification and Control
    ◽️ Digital Detox Is Not a Joke
    ◽️ Depersonalisation: When People Feel Processed
    ◽️ Is Dignity Fungible?
    ◽️ Meaning and Identity in an Automated Age
    ◽️ Human Connection: Right, Need or Luxury?
    ◽️ UBI: Security Without Meaning?
    ◽️ Human Value: What Should Never Be Automated?

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    300 - Festus Akinbusoye, fmr Police & Crime Commissioner: Power Series, City of Westminster - Within Reason

    05/10/2026 | 1h 13 mins.
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    Episode Title: 🇬🇧Within Reason🇬🇧
    300 episodes of Heads Talk®! I’m not quite sure how we got here, but here we are. And what better way to mark the milestone than with a conversation that became, quite unexpectedly, a little battle of wills.
    Festus Akinbusoye is the former Bedfordshire Police and Crime Commissioner, and currently a Westminster councillor. He is also an entrepreneur and former professional basketball player. Most recently he is seeking selection as the Conservative candidate for Mayor of London in 2028. 
    Festus made history as Britain’s first Black Police and Crime Commissioner.  
    I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation because Festus and I landed on opposite sides of one deceptively simple question: how much agency do we really have? I argued that circumstances, systems and reality impose limits on what any one person can achieve. That’s me injecting some realism into Festus’s sanguine attitude and outlook. Festus, however, in his characteristically determined fashion, argued that with the right mindset, ambition and refusal to be defined by circumstance, far more is possible. Admirable, but I remain sceptical, while always being open to persuasion. We pushed, challenged, agreed, sometimes disagreed, but always cordially. And I think that is especially important today.
    Along the way, we get into power from both sides of the room, policing and stop and search, the British Dream, the complexity of race and crime, social frustration, technology and the possibility of disorder spreading faster than institutions can respond. Festus also reflects on what power taught him, why he believes “I am my own power”, and why any man-made problem has a man-made solution. 
    A needed and lively conversation for Episode 300. And yes, we did get into a little battle about agency versus reality.
    Topics Covered: 
    ◻️ Power & Agency: How much control do we really have?
    ◻️ Inside the Room: What power teaches you
    ◻️ The Policing Paradox: Protection, profiling and public trust
    ◻️ The British Dream: Still attainable or under strain?
    ◻️ Complexity: Why race, crime and power defy simple answers
    ◻️ The New Architect of Fear: Technology, influence and radicalisation
    ◻️ The Power of Disorder: When frustration becomes instability
    ◻️ The Outsider Inside the System
    ◻️ Fairness, Justice or Equality: What comes first?
    ◻️ Negotiating with Power: Who ultimately controls the outcome?
    ⛔️Listen to this episode's Heads Talk - The Analysis - 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐮𝐞 𝐛𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐮𝐞  by TBA HERE! 

    So download⏳grab a cup of Bird & Blend Tea Co. - MojiTea ☕️& have a listen🛋
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    299 - Howard Yu, LEGO® Professor, Thinkers50 Top 50, Head: Center for Future Readiness: Power Series, IMD Business School - Middle Powers Identity Crisis? Where do we REALLY fit in today?

    21/09/2026 | 1h 14 mins.
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    Episode Title: 🇨🇭Middle Powers Identity Crisis? Where do we REALLY fit in today?🇨🇭
    Grief Before Reinvention. Strategic Chokepoints. The Power of Being Indispensable.
    Episode 299 of Heads Talk®  and we are nearly at 300!! There is still something slightly surreal about that number. We started the Autumn season with a bang, so let's keep going...
    Howard Yu is one of those guests whose words you hang on because you know there is a gem coming around the corner. I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation and am delighted that, after all this time, our diaries finally crossed, intertwined and we actually made it to an episode, an approaching 2-hour episode. I’ve wanted to have this conversation with Howard for some time, particularly around middle powers, where they are heading and how they retain relevance in a changing power architecture.
    Howard Yu is LEGO® Professor of Management and Innovation at IMD Business School, leads its Center for Future Readiness, and is a Thinkers50 Strategy Award winner. His work sits squarely at the intersection of innovation, strategy and the uncomfortable question of what makes organisations, and now nations, capable of surviving what comes next.
    At the heart of this conversation is the identity, and perhaps the identity crisis, of today's middle powers. Howard takes the thinking he has applied to more than 400 companies and turns the lens on nations: a country can remain wealthy and successful on paper while quietly becoming strategically poorer. He challenges the West's fascination with the "next frontier" while allowing parts of the industrial body, supply chains and manufacturing capability to atrophy, and asks what happens when technological sophistication sits on infrastructure someone else controls. His answer is not simply to become bigger. It is to become indispensable.
    There is a fascinating discussion on the grief of power, the psychology of decline, technological dependency and Howard's "Intel Inside" proposition for middle powers: don't necessarily own the whole system, become a part of it that the system cannot easily do without. And perhaps that is the real future-readiness test. Not how powerful you once were, but whether you can still matter when the architecture around you changes.
    Howard, as expected, delivers insight after insight. I urge you to listen. And if, like me, you can never get enough of Howard, his Substack, One Inch Ahead, is another rabbit hole worth falling into. See links below. 
    Topics Covered: 
    ◻️ Future Readiness: Is adaptability the new national power?
    ◻️ The Middle Power Identity Crisis
    ◻️ The Grief of Power: Accepting before reinventing
    ◻️ Rich but Strategically Poor? The psychology of decline
    ◻️ The Brain vs The Body: Technology without industrial power
    ◻️ Technological Dependency: Sovereignty you cannot actually control
    ◻️ The Chokepoint Economy: Where small powers still matter
    ◻️ The “Intel Inside” Strategy: Become indispensable
    ◻️ Corporations as Geopolitical Actors
    ◻️ The East Asian Playbook vs Western Self-Deception

    ⛔️Listen to this episode's Heads Talk - The Analysis - 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐮𝐞 𝐛𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐮𝐞  by TBA HERE! 

    So download⏳grab a cup of Bird & Blend Tea Co. - MojiTea ☕️& have a listen🛋
    ◽️Episode Sponsored by 
    Accxia - 𝔼𝕦𝕣𝕠𝕡𝕖'𝕤 𝕃𝕒𝕣𝕘𝕖𝕤𝕥 ℙ𝕣𝕚𝕧𝕒𝕥𝕖 ℂ𝕝𝕠𝕦𝕕 𝕗𝕠𝕣 𝔸𝕥𝕝𝕒𝕤𝕤𝕚𝕒𝕟
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    Substack One Inch Ahead https://howardyu.substack.com/
    Connect on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/howardhyu/
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    298 - Professor Klaus Schwab, Founder, CEO: Power Series, World Economic Forum (WEF), Schwab Academy - Power

    07/09/2026 | 47 mins.
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    Episode Title: 🇨🇭Power🇨🇭
    The return of the Heads Talk® Power Series begins with a bang and a fitting question:
    When power changes hands, what changes with it?
    After a long summer detox break I'm absolutely honoured to have Professor Klaus Schwab, Founder of the World Economic Forum, kickstart Part 2 of the series. We go back to the thinking that shaped Davos and forward into a different power landscape.
    I wanted to go back to the beginning. Back to 1971, when Professor Schwab questioned whether a company could really exist simply for its shareholders. His answer was no. He developed what became known as the stakeholder concept, arguing that business sits within a much wider social system, with responsibilities to employees, government, communities and society. More than five decades later, that thinking feels anything but dated. In our current economy shaped by technology, AI and systems operating across borders, who carries responsibility and accountability has become even more pressing.
    The question now is whether stakeholder capitalism needs to evolve again because the systems themselves have become centres of power. That takes us directly into Prof. Schwab’s latest book, The Competitive Enterprise in the Intelligent Age, and his argument that we are moving beyond another technological revolution into a new age altogether.
    We also explore the fascinating evolution of soft power. 
    Professor Schwab reflects on his work with Professor Joseph Nye and how influence has become more complex, technological and, at times, more coercive. 
    Yet the conversation ends somewhere unexpectedly hopeful: constructive optimism. Not passive hope, but the belief that the future is something we actively construct.
    We are back!
    I couldn't think of a better way to restart the power series on Heads Talk, than with today's guest. #HTPowerSeries
    Topics Covered: 
    ◻️ Stakeholder Capitalism: The idea that changed the role of business
    ◻️ From Stakeholders to Systems: A new architecture of responsibility
    ◻️ Techno Elites: When innovation becomes power
    ◻️ AI vs Democratic Control: Can governance keep pace?
    ◻️ The Intelligent Age: Beyond another industrial revolution
    ◻️ The Productivity Paradox: Who captures the gains?
    ◻️ Soft Power: From influence to weaponisation
    ◻️ A Multipolar World: When the old order disappears
    ◻️ Power, Legitimacy & Human Dignity: The danger of concentrated power
    ◻️ Future of Work as an Architectural Layer
    ◻️ Constructive Optimism: Who gets to build the future?
    ⛔️Listen to this episode's Heads Talk - The Analysis  by TBA HERE! 

    So download⏳grab a cup of Bird & Blend Tea Co. - MojiTea ☕️& have a listen🛋
    ◽️Episode Sponsored by 
    Accxia - 𝔼𝕦𝕣𝕠𝕡𝕖'𝕤 𝕃𝕒𝕣𝕘𝕖𝕤𝕥 ℙ𝕣𝕚𝕧𝕒𝕥𝕖 ℂ𝕝𝕠𝕦𝕕 𝕗𝕠𝕣 𝔸𝕥𝕝𝕒𝕤𝕤𝕚𝕒𝕟
    Below you will find the links to the Intelligent Age series.
     
    Thriving and Leading in the Intelligent Age https://books2read.com/TheIntelligentAge
    Longevity and Retirement in the Intelligent Age https://books2read.com/Longevity-Retirement
    Restoring Truth and Trust an Agenda for the Intelligent Age https://books2read.com/Restoring-Truth-Trust
    Universities, Professors and Students in the Intelligent Age https://books2read.com/Universities
    The Competitive Enterprise in the Intelligent Age https://books2read.com/Competitive-Enterprise 
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Heads Talk® is a top 0.5% global executive podcast, featuring in-depth conversations with FTSE 100 and S&P 500 CEOs, C-Suite executives, diplomats, policymakers, academics, strategists, and leaders of global institutions.Each episode examines the nexus rerum of boardrooms and statecraft, where corporate strategy, geopolitics, and global markets converge, and where decisions carry real-world consequence.Through direct dialogue with the heads of leading multinational organisations, Heads Talk® offers a rare, unfiltered perspective on the forces shaping business, finance, technology, and world affairs.Featured guests include executive Heads from organisations such as Alphabet, AWS, Boeing, Deloitte, EY, HSBC, IBM, KPMG, McKinsey & Company, Microsoft, NVIDIA, Pfizer, Salesforce, Shell, Siemens, UBS, Verizon, Zurich Insurance, and many many more.Enter the room:Become #AFlyOnTheBoardroomWall #AFlyOnTheCabinetRoomWall#HeadsTalk
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