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    299 - Howard Yu, LEGO® Professor, Thinkers50 Top 50, Head: Center for Future Readiness: Power Series, IMD Business School - Middle Powers Identity Crisis? Where do we REALLY fit in today?

    21/09/2026 | 1h 14 mins.
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    Episode Title: 🇨🇭Middle Powers Identity Crisis? Where do we REALLY fit in today?🇨🇭
    Grief Before Reinvention. Strategic Chokepoints. The Power of Being Indispensable.
    Episode 299 of Heads Talk®  and we are nearly at 300!! There is still something slightly surreal about that number. We started the Autumn season with a bang, so let's keep going...
    Howard Yu is one of those guests whose words you hang on because you know there is a gem coming around the corner. I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation and am delighted that, after all this time, our diaries finally crossed, intertwined and we actually made it to an episode, an approaching 2-hour episode. I’ve wanted to have this conversation with Howard for some time, particularly around middle powers, where they are heading and how they retain relevance in a changing power architecture.
    Howard Yu is LEGO® Professor of Management and Innovation at IMD Business School, leads its Center for Future Readiness, and is a Thinkers50 Strategy Award winner. His work sits squarely at the intersection of innovation, strategy and the uncomfortable question of what makes organisations, and now nations, capable of surviving what comes next.
    At the heart of this conversation is the identity, and perhaps the identity crisis, of today's middle powers. Howard takes the thinking he has applied to more than 400 companies and turns the lens on nations: a country can remain wealthy and successful on paper while quietly becoming strategically poorer. He challenges the West's fascination with the "next frontier" while allowing parts of the industrial body, supply chains and manufacturing capability to atrophy, and asks what happens when technological sophistication sits on infrastructure someone else controls. His answer is not simply to become bigger. It is to become indispensable.
    There is a fascinating discussion on the grief of power, the psychology of decline, technological dependency and Howard's "Intel Inside" proposition for middle powers: don't necessarily own the whole system, become a part of it that the system cannot easily do without. And perhaps that is the real future-readiness test. Not how powerful you once were, but whether you can still matter when the architecture around you changes.
    Howard, as expected, delivers insight after insight. I urge you to listen. And if, like me, you can never get enough of Howard, his Substack, One Inch Ahead, is another rabbit hole worth falling into. See links below. 
    Topics Covered: 
    ◻️ Future Readiness: Is adaptability the new national power?
    ◻️ The Middle Power Identity Crisis
    ◻️ The Grief of Power: Accepting before reinventing
    ◻️ Rich but Strategically Poor? The psychology of decline
    ◻️ The Brain vs The Body: Technology without industrial power
    ◻️ Technological Dependency: Sovereignty you cannot actually control
    ◻️ The Chokepoint Economy: Where small powers still matter
    ◻️ The “Intel Inside” Strategy: Become indispensable
    ◻️ Corporations as Geopolitical Actors
    ◻️ The East Asian Playbook vs Western Self-Deception

    ⛔️Listen to this episode's Heads Talk - The Analysis - 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐮𝐞 𝐛𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐮𝐞  by TBA HERE! 

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    Substack One Inch Ahead https://howardyu.substack.com/
    Connect on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/howardhyu/
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    298 - Professor Klaus Schwab, Founder, CEO: Power Series, World Economic Forum (WEF), Schwab Academy - Power

    07/09/2026 | 47 mins.
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    Episode Title: 🇨🇭Power🇨🇭
    The return of the Heads Talk® Power Series begins with a bang and a fitting question:
    When power changes hands, what changes with it?
    After a long summer detox break I'm absolutely honoured to have Professor Klaus Schwab, Founder of the World Economic Forum, kickstart Part 2 of the series. We go back to the thinking that shaped Davos and forward into a different power landscape.
    I wanted to go back to the beginning. Back to 1971, when Professor Schwab questioned whether a company could really exist simply for its shareholders. His answer was no. He developed what became known as the stakeholder concept, arguing that business sits within a much wider social system, with responsibilities to employees, government, communities and society. More than five decades later, that thinking feels anything but dated. In our current economy shaped by technology, AI and systems operating across borders, who carries responsibility and accountability has become even more pressing.
    The question now is whether stakeholder capitalism needs to evolve again because the systems themselves have become centres of power. That takes us directly into Prof. Schwab’s latest book, The Competitive Enterprise in the Intelligent Age, and his argument that we are moving beyond another technological revolution into a new age altogether.
    We also explore the fascinating evolution of soft power. 
    Professor Schwab reflects on his work with Professor Joseph Nye and how influence has become more complex, technological and, at times, more coercive. 
    Yet the conversation ends somewhere unexpectedly hopeful: constructive optimism. Not passive hope, but the belief that the future is something we actively construct.
    We are back!
    I couldn't think of a better way to restart the power series on Heads Talk, than with today's guest. #HTPowerSeries
    Topics Covered: 
    ◻️ Stakeholder Capitalism: The idea that changed the role of business
    ◻️ From Stakeholders to Systems: A new architecture of responsibility
    ◻️ Techno Elites: When innovation becomes power
    ◻️ AI vs Democratic Control: Can governance keep pace?
    ◻️ The Intelligent Age: Beyond another industrial revolution
    ◻️ The Productivity Paradox: Who captures the gains?
    ◻️ Soft Power: From influence to weaponisation
    ◻️ A Multipolar World: When the old order disappears
    ◻️ Power, Legitimacy & Human Dignity: The danger of concentrated power
    ◻️ Future of Work as an Architectural Layer
    ◻️ Constructive Optimism: Who gets to build the future?
    ⛔️Listen to this episode's Heads Talk - The Analysis  by TBA HERE! 

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    Below you will find the links to the Intelligent Age series.
     
    Thriving and Leading in the Intelligent Age https://books2read.com/TheIntelligentAge
    Longevity and Retirement in the Intelligent Age https://books2read.com/Longevity-Retirement
    Restoring Truth and Trust an Agenda for the Intelligent Age https://books2read.com/Restoring-Truth-Trust
    Universities, Professors and Students in the Intelligent Age https://books2read.com/Universities
    The Competitive Enterprise in the Intelligent Age https://books2read.com/Competitive-Enterprise 
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    297 - Dame Susan Langley DBE: Power Series, City of London Corporation - Unsquaring the Square Mile: The Chain and the Change

    20/07/2026 | 49 mins.
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    Episode Title: 🇬🇧Unsquaring the Square Mile: The Chain and the Change🇬🇧
     Great institutions are not defined by whether they change. They are defined by how they change.
    The ceremonial chain represents continuity. Change ensures continuity remains relevant.
    Sometimes, transformation arrives not through revolution, but through quiet evolution. A single word changes. Lord Mayor becomes Lady Mayor. Tradition remains intact, yet expectations subtly shift. One of Britain's oldest institutions continues to honour its past while recognising that relevance depends on its ability to evolve.
    In this episode of the Heads Talk® Power Series, I'm joined by Dame Susan Langley DBE, the 697th Lord Mayor of the City of London, only the third woman to hold the office in almost 700 years and the first to be formally styled Lady Mayor.
    Together, we move well beyond financial markets. We explore trust, institutions and the changing social contract; why misinformation has become an economic threat; whether capitalism is being quietly redefined; why resilience alone cannot repair broken systems; and why emotional intelligence may become one of the most valuable currencies in the next decade...or sooner. 
    From the future of the City of London to AI, burnout, social mobility and Britain's place in a changing global economy, this conversation asks an important question: How do institutions evolve without losing the very qualities that made them worth preserving?
    Perhaps the answer begins with an even bigger question: Can institutions remain relevant without first reimagining the people they were built to serve?
    Topics Covered:
    ◽️Lady Mayor: Why changing one word changed far more than a title inside one of Britain's oldest institutions
    ◽️Why misinformation threatens confidence, investment and competitiveness
    ◽️Team UK: Reclaiming Britain's global narrative
    ◽️Capitalism's Missing Promise: Is the social contract being rewritten?
    ◽️Uncertainty and Navigating Constant Change
    ◽️Burnout, the "always-on" culture and redesigning unhealthy systems 
    ◽️Resilience Paradox: When resilience becomes a substitute for responsibility
    ◽️Emotional intelligence and Empathy in Turbulent Times 
    ◽️Unsquaring the Square Mile: Opening institutions without losing their identity
    ◽️The Human Advantage
    ◽️Power's Final Responsibility: Where leadership begins and process ends
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    296 - Sangeet Paul Choudary, Author, Scholar: Power Series - The Cartography of Power

    13/07/2026 | 59 mins.
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    Episode Title: 🇺🇸The Cartography of Power🇺🇸 
    Change the Conversation. It's Not About AI.
    Episode 1: Reshuffle explained what happens.
    Episode 2: The Roadmap asks how do we measure it as it unfolds.
    Another fantastic episode in the Power Series on Heads Talk®.  Returning to the show is renowned thinker, scholar, bestselling author and Thinkers50 award recipient Sangeet Paul Choudary.
    Our first conversation explored Reshuffle. This current episode begins where the book deliberately leaves off.
    Writing Reshuffle answered an important question. It also exposed a much bigger one:
    How do we actually observe, measure and test economic disruption as it unfolds?
    That question has evolved into Sangeet's Reshuffle Roadmap and the emerging Reshuffle Index; a living framework designed not simply to explain disruption, but to observe, measure and continually test it as economies evolve.
    Before recording, I spent time looking at the roadmap because I wanted to understand it in order to perhaps challenge it. During that process, it became clear to me what Sangeet is doing. 
    This isn't a conversation about AI. Nor is it about agentic AI or even the emerging agentic economy.
    AI is not the protagonist here. It is simply today's disruptive variable.
    The real conversation is about understanding how economies reorganise themselves, observing and measuring that reorganisation as it unfolds, and why leaders need a better way of seeing those changes before everyone else does.
    One of the most thought-provoking parts of our discussion looked at something easily overlooked: value and power obey different rules. Value may be created, redistributed, destroyed or reach a dead end. Power, however, concerns who ultimately coordinates, controls and captures that value. Understanding the distinction is central to understanding the roadmap itself.
    Digesting the roadmap, I found myself relying on metaphors from mathematics and the natural sciences to make sense of its underlying logic. It was pleasing to discover that many of those same analogies naturally resurfaced during our conversation before focusing back to economics.
    This certainly isn't another regular AI conversation. It's a conversation about one of the most original frameworks currently being developed for understanding economic transformation, and changing the way we think about disruption itself.
    Sample Topics Covered:
    ◽️The Question After Reshuffle
    ◽️AI Is Not the Protagonist
    ◽️Value and Power Play Different Games
    ◽️Jobs Don't Disappear. They Rebundle
    ◽️'Human in the Loop' Isn't a Strategy
    ◽️A Periodic Table for Economic Adaptation?
    ◽️Rules & Philosophy of Mapping and Measurement: Why the framework is built the way it is
    ◽️When Maps Start Changing Reality
    ◽️Who Really Captures the Value?
    ◽️Tomorrow's Winners
    ◽️Sangeet's Final Thoughts
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    ◽️Episode Sponsored by - Accxia - 𝔼𝕦𝕣𝕠𝕡𝕖'𝕤 𝕃𝕒𝕣𝕘𝕖𝕤𝕥 ℙ𝕣𝕚𝕧𝕒𝕥𝕖 ℂ𝕝𝕠𝕦𝕕 𝕗𝕠𝕣 𝔸𝕥𝕝𝕒𝕤𝕤𝕚𝕒𝕟
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    295 - Damien Bruckard, Founder, Gov Advisor fmr Diplomat, International Lawyer: Power Series, Geopolitical Strategy - Corporate Statecraft: Enter the Chief Geopolitical Officer

    06/07/2026 | 1h 34 mins.
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    Episode Title: 🇦🇺Corporate Statecraft: Enter the Chief Geopolitical Officer🇫🇷
    Today's thought experiment. Tomorrow's board appointment?
    The Power Series on Heads Talk® just keeps on giving!
    This conversation left me wondering whether we are witnessing the emergence of the newest seat in the executive C-Suite: the Chief Geopolitical Officer. It also begs a fascinating question: Will every multinational soon need one?
    Twenty years ago, the idea would have sounded fanciful. Today, perhaps inevitable. As geopolitical complexity increasingly shapes markets, supply chains, regulation, investment & corporate reputation, will tomorrow's multinational require an executive whose primary role is not to run the business, but to navigate the world around it?
    If that sounds like a bold proposition, it may be closer than we think. We may already be entering the era of Corporate Statecraft, where diplomacy becomes a core business capability rather than an external concern, freeing CEOs to focus on leading the enterprise while a new generation of executives manages the intersection of business, governments and global strategy.
    Few people are better placed to explore that question than my guest today, Damien Bruckard. Founder of Geopolitical Strategy and former Head of Global Engagement at the International Chamber of Commerce, Damien has spent his career advising governments, multilateral institutions and business leaders on international trade, diplomacy and geopolitical risk. He has worn many hats: diplomat, international lawyer, trade negotiator and strategic adviser. If that wasn't enough, he also speaks multiple languages, including Russian. Having worked across the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, the United Nations, and now firmly in the corporate and commercial world, Damien brings a rare blend of diplomatic insight and commercial pragmatism.
    Together, we explore why leaders often recognise geopolitical risk yet remain unprepared for it, whether corporations are quietly becoming geopolitical actors in their own right, and why understanding today's world still requires something that neither AI nor data can fully replace: human judgement, cultural immersion, curiosity and being there.
    Additional note: 
    Perhaps this is what corporate statecraft looks like in practice. A Chief Geopolitical Officer would not replace the Chief Government Affairs Officer, Chief Public Policy Officer, Chief Global Affairs Officer or even the diplomatic function; rather, the role would unify them, bringing together diplomacy, policy, politics, international strategy and commercial judgement under one executive mandate.
    One could argue that executives such as Tim Cook have already become de facto Chief Geopolitical Officers, whether the title exists or not. As geopolitical complexity consumes increasing amounts of CEO attention, perhaps the next evolution of the executive team is inevitable: a dedicated leader responsible for the intersection of business, diplomacy and global strategy.
    Topics Covered
    ◽️ Geopolitics Enters the C-Suite: Will Every Multinational Need a Chief Geopolitical Officer?
    ◽️ Awareness Without Preparedness: Why Leaders Still Fail to Build the Ark
    ◽️ The New Language of Diplomacy in an Uncertain World
    ◽️ When Economics Becomes Warfare: Supply Chains, Sanctions & Strategic Leverage
    ◽️ Weaponising Uncertainty: Risk as a Political and Commercial Tool
    ◽️ Information Overload: Is More Data Making Us Less Intelligent?
    ◽️ The Outsourcing of Critical Thinking in the AI Era
    ◽️ Behavioural Geopolitics: Narratives, Perception & Psychological Influence
    ◽️ Why Physical Presence Still Matters More Than Artificial Intelligence
    ◽️ Has History Returned? The End of the Post-Cold War Assumption
    Geopolitical Dispatch Article Here
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    Episode Sponsored by Accxia - Europe's Largest Private Cloud for Atlassian
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Heads Talk® is a top 0.5% global executive podcast, featuring in-depth conversations with FTSE 100 and S&P 500 CEOs, C-Suite executives, diplomats, policymakers, academics, strategists, and leaders of global institutions.Each episode examines the nexus rerum of boardrooms and statecraft, where corporate strategy, geopolitics, and global markets converge, and where decisions carry real-world consequence.Through direct dialogue with the heads of leading multinational organisations, Heads Talk® offers a rare, unfiltered perspective on the forces shaping business, finance, technology, and world affairs.Featured guests include executive Heads from organisations such as Alphabet, AWS, Boeing, Deloitte, EY, HSBC, IBM, KPMG, McKinsey & Company, Microsoft, Pfizer, Salesforce, Shell, Siemens, UBS, Verizon, Zurich Insurance, and many many more.Enter the room:Become #AFlyOnTheBoardroomWall #AFlyOnTheCabinetRoomWall#HeadsTalk
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