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Change Signal

Michael Bungay Stanier
Change Signal
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  • Change Signal

    Conversations: The Atomic Unit of Change. Daniel Stillman

    27/05/2026 | 32 mins.
    Here are three tensions that emerge from this Change Signal conversation with Daniel Stillman: 


    Who actually owns the change? 


    What conversations are you avoiding? 


    Are you inviting people — or forcing them?

    If you lead change in a large organization, you already know this: great strategy and clear comms aren’t enough. Daniel Stillman — author of Good Talk — makes the case that conversations are the real engine of change, and most of us are underpowered.

    We explore why one-to-many communication rarely shifts behavior, and why many-to-many conversations — messy, slower, harder — are where ownership and momentum actually build. Daniel brings a designer’s mindset to leadership, showing how conversations can be shaped with intention, not left to chance.

    We also get practical. How do you test new ways of working without waiting for permission? What does “minimum viable change” look like inside a constrained system? And how do you build trust when people have seen these efforts fail before?

    This is a conversation about change leadership that is grounded, slightly subversive, and immediately useful — especially if you’re trying to move something real, with people who don’t have to agree with you.

    Change Signal. Where transformational change leaders seek and find modern change wisdom. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works.

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  • Change Signal

    Map Your Culture’s Hidden System: Siobhán McHale

    20/05/2026 | 25 mins.
    Here are three provocative questions at the centre of this Change Signal conversation with Siobhán McHale:


    Are you trying to change a machine, a network, or an ecosystem?


    What patterns are quietly running your culture?


    How do you intervene without getting “organ rejected”?

    Siobhán has spent two decades as an “insider,” rolling up her sleeves inside organizations to make change actually happen. In this episode, she shares why most change leadership still leans too heavily on IQ and EQ — and why the next capability is what she calls group intelligence: the ability to see the system, not just the people in it.

    We talk about mapping the ecosystem through interviews and observation, so you can spot the hidden roles and agreements that drive behavior (and results). Siobhán explains how these patterns can be simple once you see them — and why the real work is helping the system reveal itself, without triggering the immune response of politics and defensiveness.

    If you lead transformation in a large organization, this is a practical, systemic conversation about change management that goes beyond slogans and into what works.

    Change Signal. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works in change. If you’re a transformational leader seeking modern change mastery, you’re in exactly the right place.

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    WHEN YOU’RE READY

    🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)

    The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly

    ***

    CONNECT

    💼Connect on LinkedIn

    ***

    SAY THANKS

    💜Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

    💚Leave a review on Spotify
  • Change Signal

    How Your Origin Story Runs Your Change Program: Ron Carucci

    13/05/2026 | 27 mins.
    Here are three questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Ron Carucci:


    Are we still managing change as if it’s predictable?


    What unseen stories are really shaping how our organizations behave?


    And where might leaders themselves be quietly getting in the way?

    Change management, as most of us were taught it, assumes a linear path: a clear “from,” a clear “to,” and a plan to get there. In this conversation, Ron Carucci makes the case that those days are over. For leaders running complex change in large organizations, the real work now is less about managing transitions and more about building readiness for constant uncertainty.

    Ron and I explore why so many well-designed transformations stall — not because the strategy was wrong, but because the leader’s inner patterns were never examined. He introduces the idea of “origin stories”: early narratives that shape how leaders set standards, respond to resistance, and tolerate risk, often without realizing it.

    We also unpack Ron’s three-domain model of transformation: work within the leader, between people and teams, and among the systems of culture, strategy, and governance. Miss one, and change quietly unravels. This is a practical, humane, and slightly uncomfortable conversation for experienced change leaders who want results that actually stick.

    Change Signal. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works in change. If you’re a transformational leader seeking modern change mastery, you’re in exactly the right place.

    ***

    WHEN YOU’RE READY

    🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)

    The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly

    ***

    CONNECT

    💼Connect on LinkedIn

    ***

    SAY THANKS

    💜Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

    💚Leave a review on Spotify
  • Change Signal

    How to Start a Change Initiative. Bryan Walker

    06/05/2026 | 30 mins.
    Here are three questions that sit at the heart of this Change Signal conversation with Bryan Walker:


     What are you changing too early? 


    Where are you too far away? 


    And what real issue are you avoiding?

    Bryan Walker, longtime IDEO partner, joins me to explore a different way of thinking about change and transformation in large organizations. We talk about why so many change efforts stall—not because of bad strategy, but because they’re designed too linearly, too distantly, and too separate from the work itself.

    Bryan challenges the instinct to start with structure and big plans. Instead, he makes the case for starting small, learning through action, and letting the work itself reveal what needs to shift. It’s a move from abstract programs to practical experimentation—and it changes how leaders show up.

    We also explore what it takes to make change actually land. Not just belief in the idea, but confidence in the doing, and ultimately a shift in identity: this is who we are now.

    If you lead change in a complex organization, this is a grounded, human, and quietly challenging conversation about what it really takes to make transformation stick.

    Change Signal. Where transformational change leaders seek and find modern change wisdom. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works.

    ***

    WHEN YOU’RE READY

    🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)

    The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly

    ***

    CONNECT

    💼Connect on LinkedIn

    ***

    SAY THANKS

    💜Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

    💚Leave a review on Spotify
  • Change Signal

    How Your Origin Story Runs Your Change Program: Ron Carucci

    06/05/2026 | 27 mins.
    Here are three questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Ron Carucci:


    Are we still managing change as if it’s predictable?


    What unseen stories are really shaping how our organizations behave?


    And where might leaders themselves be quietly getting in the way?

    Change management, as most of us were taught it, assumes a linear path: a clear “from,” a clear “to,” and a plan to get there. In this conversation, Ron Carucci makes the case that those days are over. For leaders running complex change in large organizations, the real work now is less about managing transitions and more about building readiness for constant uncertainty.

    Ron and I explore why so many well-designed transformations stall — not because the strategy was wrong, but because the leader’s inner patterns were never examined. He introduces the idea of “origin stories”: early narratives that shape how leaders set standards, respond to resistance, and tolerate risk, often without realizing it.

    We also unpack Ron’s three-domain model of transformation: work within the leader, between people and teams, and among the systems of culture, strategy, and governance. Miss one, and change quietly unravels. This is a practical, humane, and slightly uncomfortable conversation for experienced change leaders who want results that actually stick.

    Change Signal. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works in change. If you’re a transformational leader seeking modern change mastery, you’re in exactly the right place.

    ***

    WHEN YOU’RE READY

    🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)

    The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly

    ***

    CONNECT

    💼Connect on LinkedIn

    ***

    SAY THANKS

    💜Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

    💚Leave a review on Spotify
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About Change Signal
If you’re leading change in organizations, this will be your favourite podcast. Change is harder than ever. Transformation is more complex, unpredictable and overwhelming than it’s ever been. Change Signal cuts through the noise to find the good stuff that works. Michael Bungay Stanier, author of The Coaching Habit and organizational transformation student for thirty years, talks to the best thinkers, senior leaders, and experienced practitioners in the world of change, to find what works, what doesn’t, and what to try instead. With Change Signal as your guide, you’ll be more efficient and less overwhelmed, and your change projects will more likely succeed. Change Signal: Where we cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works.  Sign up for weekly updates at TheChangeSignal.com
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