The IT Experts Podcast

In this episode of The IT Experts Podcast, we explore one of the most powerful leadership skills any MSP owner can develop: self-awareness. While many business conversations focus on strategy, sales, systems, and growth, this discussion takes a different path. I am joined by leadership coach Julie Hutchison and Managing Director of Mark1 IT Mark Stevens to unpack how self-awareness impacts you, your team, and ultimately the success of your business. 

  

The conversation begins with Mark sharing his own leadership journey and the challenges he experienced as his business grew. Like many MSP owners, he found himself frustrated when team members did not perform in the way he expected. He wanted people to move at the same speed, think in the same way, and approach challenges with the same intensity. Over time, that created pressure, frustration, and a growing disconnect between what he wanted from his team and what they were able to deliver. 

  

What makes this episode particularly valuable is Mark's honesty. Rather than focusing on what was wrong with his team, he reflects on what he discovered about himself. Through coaching, reflection, and experience, he began to understand that many of the challenges within the business were connected to the way he was showing up as a leader. This realisation became the starting point for meaningful change. 

  

Julie explains that self awareness is not simply about understanding your personality. It is about recognising the impact your behaviour has on other people. Every leader influences the confidence, motivation, and performance of their team. When leaders become more aware of how they communicate, react under pressure, and set expectations, they create an environment where people can thrive. 

  

A key moment in the discussion centres around behavioural profiling and understanding different communication styles. Mark shares how learning about his DISC profile helped him recognise that not everyone thinks, works, or processes information in the same way. What felt obvious and straightforward to him often felt overwhelming or unclear to others. Developing greater self-awareness allowed him to adapt his communication and lead people more effectively. 

  

The conversation also explores the relationship between self-awareness and emotional intelligence. Mark talks openly about recognising the impact of stress, fatigue, and even lifestyle choices on the way he interacted with his team. Rather than allowing frustration to dictate his behaviour, he learned to pause, reflect, and respond more intentionally. This shift created stronger relationships and helped build trust throughout the business. 

  

One of the most powerful themes throughout the episode is the idea that leadership starts with personal responsibility. It is easy to blame team members when results are not where you want them to be. It takes courage to hold up the mirror and ask what role you might be playing in the situation. Julie introduces the concept of "Can't, Won't, Don't", a framework that helps leaders understand whether team members lack capability, confidence, motivation, or clarity. Instead of assuming people are underperforming, leaders are encouraged to become curious and seek understanding. 

  

As self-awareness increases, leaders become better equipped to identify the real barriers holding their teams back. They stop reacting emotionally and start creating conditions where people can succeed. This leads to improved communication, stronger accountability, and greater engagement across the organisation. 

  

Mark also shares how greater self-awareness transformed the culture inside Mark1 IT. What was once a source of frustration became a business environment he genuinely enjoys. Team members became more confident. Conversations became more productive. The business became more structured and aligned. Most importantly, people started taking ownership and making decisions with confidence. 

  

The discussion highlights another important lesson for MSP owners. Self-awareness is not a destination. It is an ongoing process. Every stage of business growth brings new challenges, new responsibilities, and new opportunities for personal development. The leaders who continue to learn, reflect, and adapt are the ones who create sustainable success for themselves and their teams. 

  

Throughout the episode, Ian, Julie, and Mark remind us that people are the most valuable asset in any business. Systems, technology, and processes all matter. Yet the way leaders think, behave, and communicate has a profound impact on everything else. When leaders invest in their own growth, they create ripple effects that influence culture, performance, and long-term business results. 

  

If you have ever found yourself frustrated with your team, questioning why people are not taking ownership, or wondering why progress feels slower than it should, this episode offers a valuable perspective. It provides practical insights, honest reflections, and powerful reminders that leadership begins with understanding yourself first. 

  

Self-awareness creates clarity. Clarity builds confidence. Confidence helps people perform at their best. When leaders embrace that journey, they create stronger businesses and more fulfilling places to work. 

 

Connect with Mark Stevens through LinkedIn and his website. 

 

Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy. 

 

Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK 

 
And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads. 

 

If you're serious about growth and want to explore what this could look like for your MSP, you can book a Right Fit Clarity Call with us HERE. 

OR  

To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE 

Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!

In this episode of the IT Experts Podcast, we explore one of the most overlooked opportunities for MSP growth: exhibitions and events. If you have ever invested time and money into a trade show, only to come away wondering whether it was worth it, this conversation with Steve Lloyd is essential listening. 

  

Many MSP owners know they need to get out into the market, meet potential clients, build relationships, and generate fresh opportunities. The challenge is that exhibitions can often feel uncomfortable, especially for technical founders who are far more confident discussing technology than approaching strangers in a busy exhibition hall. The result is that many businesses turn up with a couple of banners, a table full of brochures, and a hope that the right people will stop by. According to Steve Lloyd, that approach is exactly why so many exhibitors fail to see a return on their investment. 

  

Throughout this episode, Steve Lloyd shares a completely different way of thinking about exhibitions. Rather than viewing them as a one-day event, he encourages MSPs to see them as part of a much larger business development process. Success begins long before the doors open and continues long after the exhibition has finished. 

  

One of the most powerful insights from the conversation is the idea that you are not simply renting a stand. You are creating a temporary shop inside a temporary shopping centre. When viewed through that lens, everything changes. You start thinking about customer experience, visibility, engagement, staff preparation, and follow up. You begin asking better questions about what success actually looks like and how you can create meaningful conversations with the people who matter most. 

  

Steve Lloyd explains that many exhibitors make the mistake of accepting the standard setup provided by the venue. Tables become barriers. Brochures create clutter. Team members sit behind their stand waiting for visitors to approach. Unfortunately, that approach rarely creates energy, excitement, or engagement. 

  

Instead, Steve Lloyd encourages businesses to take ownership of their space. Every element of the stand should support a clear message. Visitors should immediately understand who you help, what problem you solve, and why they should engage with you. Simplicity becomes a competitive advantage. Clear messaging consistently outperforms complicated explanations and technical jargon. 

  

The discussion also highlights an important challenge many MSP owners face. Technical expertise does not automatically translate into effective communication. It is easy to fall into the expert trap and overwhelm prospects with information. Steve Lloyd explains that successful exhibitors learn how to simplify complex ideas and connect with people who may have very little technical knowledge. Confidence comes from clarity, and clarity helps create stronger conversations. 

  

Another key theme throughout the episode is preparation. Steve Lloyd introduces what he calls the Exhibition Life Cycle, a framework built around preparation, promotion, execution, and follow up. Each stage plays a critical role in determining the overall success of an exhibition. 

  

Preparation involves far more than ordering banners and booking accommodation. It includes defining objectives, developing messaging, planning customer journeys, training staff, preparing follow up processes, and ensuring there are no surprises on the day. The more preparation that happens in advance, the more confident and effective your team becomes during the event itself. 

  

Promotion is another area where many businesses leave opportunities on the table. Steve Lloyd encourages exhibitors to build anticipation before the event begins. The most successful stands create awareness and excitement before visitors even arrive at the venue. This helps maximise engagement and creates momentum throughout the event. 

  

When it comes to execution, the conversation focuses heavily on human interaction. While games, competitions, and attractions can help capture attention, Steve Lloyd believes that well trained staff remain the most valuable asset on any exhibition stand. Great conversations consistently outperform gimmicks when it comes to building trust and generating quality leads. 

  

The discussion also challenges the traditional approach to exhibition competitions. Rather than offering prizes that attract everyone, Steve Lloyd recommends prizes that attract the right people. A free workshop, assessment, training session, or educational event creates far more value than generic prizes that have no connection to your expertise. The goal is to bring prospects into your world and allow them to experience the value you provide. 

  

Perhaps the most important takeaway from this episode is that exhibitions are not about making immediate sales. They are about starting meaningful conversations with the right people. Every interaction becomes part of a larger relationship building process that continues long after the exhibition has ended. 

  

If you want to generate better results from your next event, this conversation with Steve Lloyd provides a practical framework you can implement immediately. From creating stronger messaging and improving stand design to building effective follow up systems, the advice shared in this episode will help you approach exhibitions with greater confidence, structure, and purpose. 

  

Whether you are attending your first trade show or looking to improve the return on events you already invest in, the lessons from Steve Lloyd offer a clear roadmap for turning exhibitions into a powerful growth channel for your MSP. 

 

Connect with Steve Lloyd through LinkedIn and his website. 

 

Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy. 

 

Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK 

 
And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads. 

 

If you're serious about growth and want to explore what this could look like for your MSP, you can book a Right Fit Clarity Call with us HERE. 

OR  

To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE 

Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!

In this episode of The IT Experts Podcast, I sit down with Ken Roulston to explore a topic that many MSP owners know they should be paying attention to, yet often leave until much later than they should. Governance. 

  

Now, before you switch off thinking this is a subject reserved for larger businesses, stay with me. This conversation is one of the most important discussions we've had around protecting the value of your MSP, reducing unnecessary risk and building a business that is genuinely attractive to a future buyer. 

  

Ken brings a huge amount of experience to this conversation. Having built and successfully exited a £17 million MSP, he has seen first hand what separates valuable businesses from those that struggle to achieve the valuation their owners expect. Through his work with MSPs across the UK and Ireland, Ken regularly helps business owners understand the factors that drive value and the mistakes that can quietly destroy it. 

  

One of the points I often make is that every MSP owner will eventually sell their business. Whether that happens in five years, ten years or twenty years is almost irrelevant. At some stage, ownership changes hands. The question is whether you will be rewarded properly for all the hard work, investment and sacrifice that went into building it. 

  

That is where Governance comes in. 

  

Throughout our conversation, Ken and I unpack why Governance is far more than a compliance exercise. Good Governance creates confidence. It gives buyers reassurance. It reduces risk. It demonstrates professionalism. Most importantly, it helps you build a stronger business today, regardless of whether an exit is anywhere on your immediate horizon. 

  

We begin by looking at financial Governance and why understanding your numbers is only part of the story. Many MSP owners can tell you their monthly revenue and profitability. Far fewer fully understand the financial responsibilities that come with being a company director. Ken explains the importance of financial controls, cashflow management, solvency and proper accounting practices. These are not optional activities. They are part of your legal responsibility as a business owner. 

  

We also discuss how poor financial Governance can raise serious red flags during an acquisition. Buyers want confidence that a business is being managed professionally. Strong reporting, clear approval processes, documented decisions and consistent financial management all contribute to a stronger valuation and a smoother due diligence process. 

  

From there, we move into legal Governance, which is often where hidden problems begin to emerge. Ken shares examples of acquisitions where customer contracts, supplier agreements and employee terms created unexpected complications. In some cases, a single clause buried within a contract was enough to significantly impact the value of a deal. 

  

One example in particular highlights how an overlooked contract clause could force a buyer to seek approval from every customer before completing an acquisition. It is a powerful reminder that Governance is not about having paperwork in place. It is about understanding exactly what those documents mean and how they affect the future of your business. 

  

We also spend time discussing employee Governance. As MSP owners, our people remain our greatest investment and often our largest cost. Strong Governance creates clear expectations, supports accountability and helps protect both employees and the business. Ken explains why current employment contracts, documented processes and professional HR support are essential if you want to build a resilient organisation. 

  

Towards the end of the episode, we broaden the conversation into business risk. This is an area we regularly help MSP Growth Hub members address because many business owners spend their days helping clients manage risk while overlooking risks within their own organisations. 

  

Ken shares practical examples of the risks every MSP should be assessing, including customer concentration, supplier dependency, cashflow exposure and operational vulnerabilities. We discuss why creating a risk register does not need to be complicated and how taking time to identify potential threats can significantly improve decision making and business resilience. 

  

If you want to build a stronger MSP, improve its future value and avoid the costly mistakes that catch many owners out during an exit process, this episode is packed with practical insights. Governance may not be the most glamorous topic in business, although it could be one of the most valuable conversations you will have this year. 

  

As Ken says throughout the discussion, buyers are looking for confidence, credibility and professionalism. Good Governance helps you demonstrate all three.
 

Connect with Ken Roulston through LinkedIn and his website. 

  

Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy. 

 

Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK 

 

And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads. 

 

If you're serious about growth and want to explore what this could look like for your MSP, you can book a Right Fit Clarity Call with us HERE. 

OR  

To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE 

Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!

In this episode of The IT Experts Podcast, I continue our Get Your Time Back series by tackling one of the biggest challenges I see MSP owners facing every single day, becoming the default decision-maker in their business. 

  

If your team comes to you for every answer, every approval, every problem, and every decision, there is a good chance you've become the bottleneck without even realising it. The frustrating part is that most MSP owners believe they have a workload problem when in reality they have a leadership pattern that is holding the business back. 

  

Throughout this episode, I explain why being overwhelmed is often less about the amount of work and more about how decisions flow through the business. When every road leads back to you, growth slows down, confidence across the team drops and you end up spending your days firefighting rather than leading. 

  

I share why teams naturally mirror the behaviour of their leaders. If you are constantly stepping in to rescue situations, provide answers and solve problems, your team will quickly learn that the easiest option is to come straight to you. Before long, you find yourself carrying the weight of every decision while capable people around you stop trusting their own judgement. 

  

One of the key concepts I explore is the difference between a parent to child relationship and an adult to adult relationship inside your MSP. When leaders constantly provide solutions, they unintentionally create dependency. When leaders coach instead of rescue, they create ownership, accountability and confidence. That shift is where real growth begins. 

  

We also look at why many people hesitate to step forward and make decisions. In most cases it comes down to fear. Fear of getting something wrong. Fear of making a mistake. Fear of looking silly in front of colleagues or clients. If every challenge is immediately taken away from them, that fear never gets challenged and confidence never grows. 

  

I share a simple but powerful analogy about learned behaviour and how teams can become conditioned to operate below their potential. Over time, people stop looking for solutions because they believe someone else will provide them. If that someone is always you, becoming the default decision-maker becomes a cycle that gets harder and harder to break. 

  

The cost of staying in that position is significant. It limits growth, slows progress and prevents you from spending time on the strategic activities that will move your MSP forward. More importantly, it prevents your team from developing into the confident, capable people you need them to become. 

  

That is why I introduce one of the coaching frameworks we use inside The MSP Growth Hub, the GROW model. This simple approach helps leaders stop rescuing and start coaching. It gives your team the opportunity to think, solve problems and take ownership while allowing you to step back from being the default decision-maker. 

  

We walk through each stage of the framework, from defining the goal and understanding the reality, through to exploring options and agreeing the way forward. When used consistently, this approach can transform the quality of conversations inside your business and help create a culture where people take responsibility rather than waiting for instructions. 

  

I also share practical techniques you can start using immediately, including one simple habit that can dramatically reduce interruptions throughout your day. It starts with resisting the urge to answer every question straight away and instead helping people think through the solution themselves. 

  

If you are serious about getting your time back, building a stronger leadership team and creating a business that works for you rather than you working for it, this episode will give you practical ideas that you can start implementing today. 

 

 

Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy. 

 

Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK 

 

And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads. 

 

If you're serious about growth and want to explore what this could look like for your MSP, you can book a Right Fit Clarity Call with us HERE. 

OR  

To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE 

Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!

In this episode of The IT Experts Podcast, I kick off a brand-new two-part series focused on one of the biggest frustrations MSP owners face, how to get your time back. If you constantly feel busy, overwhelmed, reactive, or like your week disappears before you have made any real progress, then this episode is for you. I want to help you stop confusing activity with achievement and start focusing on the things that genuinely move your MSP forward. 

  

Every day inside The MSP Growth Hub, we speak to MSP owners who are stretched in every direction. They are buried in emails, firefighting problems, approving decisions, and carrying the weight of the business on their shoulders. The challenge is that being busy creates the illusion of progress. Ticking tasks off a list feels productive. Clearing your inbox feels satisfying. Yet none of it guarantees that you are building a business that gives you more freedom, more profit, or more control over your future. 

  

In this episode, I unpack why so many MSP owners stay trapped in reactive mode for years and how that slowly impacts growth, leadership, confidence, and even mental wellbeing. I talk openly about the habits, behaviours, and leadership patterns that stop owners from creating space to think strategically and lead effectively. If you want to get your time back, there has to come a point where you stop measuring success by how hard you are working and start measuring success by the outcomes you are creating. 

  

One of the most important ideas I explore in this episode is strategic thinking time. Years ago, someone once told me that leaders need time to think. At the time, I thought it sounded ridiculous because there was always work to do, clients to support, and targets to hit. Looking back now, it was one of the most valuable lessons I have ever learned. If you never create space to think clearly, plan properly, and focus on the bigger picture, you stay stuck reacting to everyone else's priorities instead of leading your business forward with intention. 

  

I also share practical lessons around protecting your time and becoming more disciplined with your diary. If you want to get your time back, you need to treat your own thinking time with the same level of importance as a client meeting. You need to stop allowing interruptions, distractions, and reactive requests to consume every available hour in your week. Strategic time cannot be something you fit in when everything else is finished because everything else is never finished. 

  

Another huge theme in this conversation is leadership and empowerment. Many MSP owners unintentionally train their teams to rely on them for every decision. Over time, that creates bottlenecks, frustration, and dependency across the business. I explain why creating clear decision filters and empowering your team to think independently is one of the fastest ways to reduce pressure and improve performance. When your people feel trusted and supported to solve problems themselves, the business becomes stronger and you create the space needed to focus on higher value work. 

  

I also dive into the importance of measuring what actually matters inside your MSP. Too many businesses stay focused on symptoms instead of identifying root causes. Whether it is inconsistent delivery, project issues, poor accountability, or operational inefficiency, lasting improvement only happens when you step back and understand what is really driving the problem. This is where leadership, process, and accountability all connect together. 

  

Artificial intelligence and automation also come into the conversation. There is a huge amount of excitement around AI right now, although I share a grounded perspective on what it can and cannot do. AI is not a magic fix for broken businesses. Before you automate anything, you need clear processes, strong structure, and a business that already understands how it should operate. Technology can accelerate progress, although it still relies on strong foundations underneath it. 

  

One of the most practical parts of this episode is where I explain the difference between £10 tasks, £100 tasks, and £1,000 tasks. So many MSP owners spend their week trapped inside low value admin work that could be automated, delegated, or removed completely. If you truly want to get your time back, you need to consistently move yourself towards the work that creates the biggest impact for your business, your team, and your future. 

  

This episode is packed with practical ideas to help you protect your time, improve your leadership, and create more focus inside your MSP. My goal is to help you stop being a busy fool and start building a business that genuinely works for you rather than you working for it. When you create space to think strategically, empower your people properly, and focus on what truly matters, growth becomes far more sustainable and far more enjoyable. 

  

Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy. 

 

Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK 

 

And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads. 

 

If you're serious about growth and want to explore what this could look like for your MSP, you can book a Right Fit Clarity Call with us HERE. 

OR  

To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE 

Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!