In this solo episode, Emma discusses the importance of building capacity, capability, and resources—what she analogizes as "building an army"—to effectively drive sustainability initiatives in businesses and organizations. She shares her personal journey into carbon literacy training, the challenges of scaling training across large organizations, and the development of her “Train the Trainer” model as a solution. Emma highlights key milestones, such as reaching the 100th trainer mark, and emphasizes the power of collaboration, sharing, and building resilient networks for greater impact.
Key Topics
Why engaging people (not just increasing knowledge) is crucial for successful sustainability
The “knowledge-action gap” and how training addresses it
Emma’s journey into carbon literacy and the evolution of her training approach
The challenges of reaching scale and maintaining quality at speed
The importance and impact of the “Train the Trainer” model
The upcoming milestone: 100th trainer to be trained
Commitment to diversity and accessibility in training
The value of creating a supportive, collaborative community of trainers
Milestones and Opportunities
Upcoming Train the Trainer course in May; the 100th place is free (regular price £750-£850; discounts available)
Over 1600 employees trained so far, across major organizations and sectors
Emma has recently become a Carbon Literacy Consultant, achieving one of the highest standards in the field
01:00 — The Challenge of Organizational Buy-In
Emma discusses the gap between sustainability strategies and actual employee engagement. Notes that many companies have good intentions, but most employees are not truly engaged or understanding the strategy.
01:58 — Knowledge-Action Gap & People as the Key
Emma explains that the primary barrier is not knowledge, but getting people on board. Introduces her experience as a carbon literacy trainer and the "train the trainer" model as a solution for scale.
03:36 — Personal Journey into Carbon Literacy
Emma recounts becoming carbon literate in 2021 and realizing how it addressed the gap between what people know and feel confident acting on. Describes the initial steps to develop and deliver a course in 2022, including rapid growth in demand.
04:41 — Working with Prominent Businesses and Growing Demand
Emma mentions clients such as BT, Openreach, Kingfisher, and B&Q. Highlights the accelerating demand for training and the challenge of scaling up without compromising quality.
05:40 — The Need to Scale: Train the Trainer Approach
Emma explains the practical problem of expansion, needing multiple trainers to meet the needs of large clients such as NHS and BT. Emphasizes the move to a "train the trainer" model in 2023 to build training capacity and ensure quality.
06:38 — Why a Trainer Network Matters
Emma stresses that without building a pool of trainers, progress is confined to silos. Describes efforts to develop a comprehensive foundational training that equips people with skills, not just knowledge.
09:05 — Creating a Trainer Community & The Next Steps
Emma describes creating ongoing support such as a WhatsApp group for trainers and plans to formalize this into an academy to support individualized trainer pathways, maintain quality, and serve clients’ diverse needs.
10:02 — Milestone: Approaching 100th Trainer Trained
Emma announces an upcoming milestone: training the 100th "train the trainer" participant. Mentions a free place for the 100th trainee and acknowledges Farah Lodhy’s contribution to course development.
10:45 — Making Training Accessible & Diverse
Emma discusses the financial investment (typically £750-£850 per course), discounts for people between jobs and those from diverse backgrounds, and international reach (training in 25–30 countries).
11:36 — Recognition as a Carbon Literacy Consultant
Emma shares a personal milestone: becoming a carbon literacy consultant, placing her among a small group at the top of her field with the Carbon Literacy Project.
12:12 — Broad Impact: From Consultancy to Large-Scale Training
Emma reflects on moving from consultancy (reaching limited people) to training (reaching 1500–1600 across major organizations), and the importance of scale and replication for meaningful impact.
13:24 — The Vision: Building a Lasting "Army" of Trainers
Emma sets a new target of training 1,000 trainers over the next decade, emphasizing the importance of quality, resilience, mutual support, and rapid, reliable client response.
14:09 — Collaboration and the "Stronger Together" Motto
Emma stresses collaboration over competition, aiming to pull the training community closer and share resources, because sector-wide progress requires collective effort.
14:40 — The Pyramid: Trainers Make the System Robust
Emma uses the "pyramid" analogy: without enough trainers, widespread sustainability training cannot be sustained; with them, the structure is solid and far-reaching.
To deliver lasting sustainability impact, invest in empowering and supporting your people with the right skills, knowledge, and confidence—because real change happens when everyone is on board and working together.
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