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Straight Talking Sustainability

Emma Burlow
Straight Talking Sustainability
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  • Straight Talking Sustainability

    Speak Up Woman! Uncomfortable conversations with Annie Beavis

    26/04/2026 | 41 mins.
    In this episode of Straight Talking Sustainability, host Emma welcomes Annie Beavis to discuss navigating difficult conversations in sustainability, building resilience during economic turbulence, and supporting each other within the industry.
    The episode highlights the work of Not Sustainable, a collective focused on impact, and dives into the realities of driving change, especially in medium-sized enterprises.
    Key Topics
    The origins and mission of Not Sustainable (01:39)
    Economic pressures and resilience in sustainability roles (03:25)
    Changing industry attitudes—showcasing sustainability less and its consequences (04:26)
    Marketing, messaging, and sales as fundamental skills for sustainability professionals (07:53)
    Strategies for having difficult conversations and pushing back constructively (07:25)
    The value of leveraging previous experience (finance, procurement, social housing) in sustainability roles (16:00)
    Importance of trust-building and self-awareness for gaining traction (34:09)
    Insights on imperfection, authenticity, and working with boards (25:50)
    Advice for new entrants in sustainability: take your time, build trust, and don’t carry all the weight yourself (40:09)

    Quotes
    "It’s not about perfection, but about building trust and staying resilient—business is always hard, sustainability shouldn’t be treated as an optional extra." — Emma (18:36)"Ground yourself in business reality first, because if you carry an expectation of perfection, leaders are less likely to be honest." — Annie Beavis (27:46)
    Takeaways
    Build trust before pushing difficult conversations
    Resilience and adaptability are crucial as the sustainability agenda fluctuates
    Use your background and diverse skills to open doors in sustainability roles
    Don’t strive for perfection—progress is about small, authentic steps
    Support networks like Not Sustainable can help practitioners maintain perspective and avoid burnout

    Next Steps
    If you enjoyed the insights from Emma and Annie Beavis, please:
    Subscribe and leave a review
    Share this episode with colleagues or friends working in sustainability
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    Resources & Links
    Connect with Annie Beavis on LinkedIn
    Visit Not Sustainable: Learn more about the collective, their projects and join the community
    Lighthouse Sustainability: Subscribe to the Beacon newsletter

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  • Straight Talking Sustainability

    Building an Army - The Secret to Scaling Sustainability

    19/04/2026 | 16 mins.
    In this solo episode, Emma discusses the importance of building capacity, capability, and resources—what she analogizes as "building an army"—to effectively drive sustainability initiatives in businesses and organizations. She shares her personal journey into carbon literacy training, the challenges of scaling training across large organizations, and the development of her “Train the Trainer” model as a solution. Emma highlights key milestones, such as reaching the 100th trainer mark, and emphasizes the power of collaboration, sharing, and building resilient networks for greater impact.
    Key Topics
    Why engaging people (not just increasing knowledge) is crucial for successful sustainability
    The “knowledge-action gap” and how training addresses it
    Emma’s journey into carbon literacy and the evolution of her training approach
    The challenges of reaching scale and maintaining quality at speed
    The importance and impact of the “Train the Trainer” model
    The upcoming milestone: 100th trainer to be trained
    Commitment to diversity and accessibility in training
    The value of creating a supportive, collaborative community of trainers

    Milestones and Opportunities
    Upcoming Train the Trainer course in May; the 100th place is free (regular price £750-£850; discounts available)
    Over 1600 employees trained so far, across major organizations and sectors
    Emma has recently become a Carbon Literacy Consultant, achieving one of the highest standards in the field

    01:00 — The Challenge of Organizational Buy-In
    Emma discusses the gap between sustainability strategies and actual employee engagement. Notes that many companies have good intentions, but most employees are not truly engaged or understanding the strategy.
    01:58 — Knowledge-Action Gap & People as the Key
    Emma explains that the primary barrier is not knowledge, but getting people on board. Introduces her experience as a carbon literacy trainer and the "train the trainer" model as a solution for scale.
    03:36 — Personal Journey into Carbon Literacy
    Emma recounts becoming carbon literate in 2021 and realizing how it addressed the gap between what people know and feel confident acting on. Describes the initial steps to develop and deliver a course in 2022, including rapid growth in demand.
    04:41 — Working with Prominent Businesses and Growing Demand
    Emma mentions clients such as BT, Openreach, Kingfisher, and B&Q. Highlights the accelerating demand for training and the challenge of scaling up without compromising quality.
    05:40 — The Need to Scale: Train the Trainer Approach
    Emma explains the practical problem of expansion, needing multiple trainers to meet the needs of large clients such as NHS and BT. Emphasizes the move to a "train the trainer" model in 2023 to build training capacity and ensure quality.
    06:38 — Why a Trainer Network Matters
    Emma stresses that without building a pool of trainers, progress is confined to silos. Describes efforts to develop a comprehensive foundational training that equips people with skills, not just knowledge.
    09:05 — Creating a Trainer Community & The Next Steps
    Emma describes creating ongoing support such as a WhatsApp group for trainers and plans to formalize this into an academy to support individualized trainer pathways, maintain quality, and serve clients’ diverse needs.
    10:02 — Milestone: Approaching 100th Trainer Trained
    Emma announces an upcoming milestone: training the 100th "train the trainer" participant. Mentions a free place for the 100th trainee and acknowledges Farah Lodhy’s contribution to course development.
    10:45 — Making Training Accessible & Diverse
    Emma discusses the financial investment (typically £750-£850 per course), discounts for people between jobs and those from diverse backgrounds, and international reach (training in 25–30 countries).
    11:36 — Recognition as a Carbon Literacy Consultant
    Emma shares a personal milestone: becoming a carbon literacy consultant, placing her among a small group at the top of her field with the Carbon Literacy Project.
    12:12 — Broad Impact: From Consultancy to Large-Scale Training
    Emma reflects on moving from consultancy (reaching limited people) to training (reaching 1500–1600 across major organizations), and the importance of scale and replication for meaningful impact.
    13:24 — The Vision: Building a Lasting "Army" of Trainers
    Emma sets a new target of training 1,000 trainers over the next decade, emphasizing the importance of quality, resilience, mutual support, and rapid, reliable client response.
    14:09 — Collaboration and the "Stronger Together" Motto
    Emma stresses collaboration over competition, aiming to pull the training community closer and share resources, because sector-wide progress requires collective effort.
    14:40 — The Pyramid: Trainers Make the System Robust
    Emma uses the "pyramid" analogy: without enough trainers, widespread sustainability training cannot be sustained; with them, the structure is solid and far-reaching.
    To deliver lasting sustainability impact, invest in empowering and supporting your people with the right skills, knowledge, and confidence—because real change happens when everyone is on board and working together.
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  • Straight Talking Sustainability

    You Cant Make Money From a Dead Planet with Mark Shayler

    12/04/2026 | 49 mins.
    This week, Emma is joined by sustainability sector stalwart and optimist Mark Shayler for a deep dive into his book You Cant Make Money From a Dead Planet. Mark shares his career journey, the challenges and lessons of working in sustainability, and his recent personal health scare.
    The conversation tackles why businesses must embed sustainability at their core, the importance of systems thinking, and the danger of reducing sustainability to PR or compliance.
    Mark and Emma discuss the sector’s obsession with targets, why missing them isn’t a scandal, and how real progress means looking forward, not just reporting on the past.
    Key Topics
    Mark Shayler’s career journey: from environmental science to council, consultancy, Asda, and beyond (01:19)
    Why disaster is not always personal and the importance of resilience (13:06)
    What businesses get wrong about sustainability strategy (25:59)
    The pitfalls of putting sustainability in PR, marketing, or as just compliance (26:04)
    Reconciling economics and ecology—the two are deeply connected (21:19)
    Targets, failure, and the opportunity for a ‘mass awakening’ in the industry (32:04)
    Circularity, systems thinking, and the consumer’s role in change (40:10)
    The need to focus on system and government change, not just individual action (48:03)

    Mark’s Book: You Cant Make Money From a Dead Planet
    Written to reclaim his authority as an environmental scientist and offer practical pathways for businesses from “zero to net zero” (15:10)
    Challenges the sector’s myopic focus on totem issues (e.g., plastic) rather than systemic impact (16:28)
    Advocates for democratizing sustainability—making it accessible beyond a middle class concern (19:21)

    Key Takeaways
    Sustainability should be at the heart of business—not a marketing bolt-on or compliance tick-box.
    Hitting (or missing) targets isn’t the main thing: direction, transparency, and a willingness to improve matter more (32:04).
    True change comes from systems, not just individual guilt—push for policy and industry reform (48:03).
    The world is facing interconnected crises—now is the time for businesses to wake up and act.

    Resources & Links
    Mark Shayler’s book: You Cant Make Money From a Dead Planet [Available from the usual outlets]
    Connect with Mark:
    LinkedIn: Mark Shayler
    Website: markshayler.com
    lighthousesustainability.co.uk – subscribe to The Beacon newsletter

    Book a Power Hour with Emma
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    Emma Burlow | LinkedIn
  • Straight Talking Sustainability

    Know When To Hold 'em

    05/04/2026 | 20 mins.
    Welcome to this week's episode of Straight Talking Sustainability! Host Emma Burlow takes inspiration from "The Gambler" song to explore when to push, pause, pivot, or fold your sustainability efforts within your business, particularly when sustainability is being deprioritised.
    Key Topics Covered
    Sustainability's Changing Environment
    The landscape for sustainability in business has shifted dramatically, with economic, political, and leadership pressures reshaping priorities. warns that sticking to outdated strategies risks "extinction" and stresses the importance of adapting to survive (04:37).

    Survival of the Fittest
    Drawing on the analogy from a previous episode, reminds listeners that survival isn't about being the strongest, but best fitting the environment as it changes (03:33). The ability to evolve, morph, and pause is emphasized as vital.

    Knowing When to Hold Your Cards
    Sustainability professionals often feel compelled to defend their initiatives relentlessly. The episode argues that sometimes, holding your cards—pausing a project or delaying an initiative—is actually the winning move (06:30). Pushing sustainability when it's unpopular can lead to burnout and resistance.

    Building Trust and Embedding Sustainability
    This period of pause is reframed as an opportunity to build trust within an organization.
    For stepping out of the "sustainability silo," truly listening to colleagues, and aligning with their current business needs (09:03). This foundational work makes sustainability more likely to succeed when momentum swings back.

    Consistency vs. Passion
    The episode stresses that consistency, reliability, and adaptability trump intense passion. Long-term influence is built by showing up, being practical, and creating value, not just by pushing sustainability for its own sake (18:31).

    Takeaways and Action Points
    Pause and read the room before pushing sustainability initiatives.
    Focus on trust-building by understanding and supporting other business priorities.
    Use this downtime to review and simplify sustainability goals, dropping unowned or resistant projects (16:26).

    Reflection & Practical Tools
    Download the episode's reflection sheet to analyze your current blockers, identify your true "cards," and decide what to push, pause, or release (11:14).
    Revisit earlier podcast episodes for tips on root cause investigation ("Five Whys"), creating joy through initiatives, and activating key players—not just the whole workforce (19:08).
    Dig deeper into what's really holding you back (beyond standard excuses like "too busy" or "budget cuts") (11:24).
    Evaluate which of your sustainability projects are high-resistance, unowned, or not delivering value—these may be your "fold" cards (15:10).
    Steer your focus to areas where you can realistically build trust and influence in the current environment (10:24).

    Remember: Sometimes folding or pausing isn't failure—it's adaptation. Consistency and value create influence for the sustainability journey ahead!
    Expand Reflection sheet
    Not Sustainable
    The Gambler
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  • Straight Talking Sustainability

    Why Poor Design Still Blocks Progress with Dr Vicky Lofthouse

    29/03/2026 | 42 mins.
    In this practical product design episode of Straight Talking Sustainability, host Emma Burlow sits down with Dr Vicky Lofthouse (industrial designer, sustainable innovation consultant working across aerospace to face cream) to explore why circularity remains frustratingly niche despite massive opportunities, how Triton Showers removed single-use plastic whilst reducing costs through unexpected secondary packaging savings, why cheap virgin plastic blocks progress, and Vicky's pet peeve: bad design creating products that break instead of lasting (function must come first, otherwise completely pointless).
    Both celebrating 30-year sustainability anniversaries (starting 1996 when it was super niche), Emma and Vicky reflect on progress: awareness is no longer niche, CSR is embedded, OEMs recognise risks and opportunities, yet familiar conversations persist (aerospace discovering circularity 20 years late feels baffling given sector intelligence).
    Vicky's background spans industrial design undergraduate, PhD with Electrolux at Cranfield, designing the "world's first most eco cooker," now consulting across sectors because learning is cross-disciplinary, whilst solutions remain context-specific.
    Packaging Regulations Impact:
    Legislation has had phenomenal reach beyond obvious food packaging sectors. Defence-ish companies freaked out about packaging regs, demonstrating massive unexpected scope. When price tags attach to fairly easily resolved issues (not food industry ironically), businesses act.
    Legislation is slow but can be an effective lever, though unintended consequences emerge: complexity overwhelms (where do we start?), people think they know the right solutions without data (everything in massive cardboard boxes, ignoring that plastic is light and functional), biodegradable NHS gloves going into orange clinical waste bags legally requiring incineration.
    Lack of lifecycle thinking creates these problems; sustainability perspectives recognise examining whole lifecycles, not isolated elements.
    Triton Showers Case Study:
    Inspired partly by packaging regs, the supply chain asked Triton to remove plastic after packaging (misaligned with the brand doing great sustainable showers work). Carbon analysis compared solutions rather than just swapping materials, removing nearly all single-use packaging except chrome-finished parts needing protection.
    Massive plastic spend reduction, big cardboard reduction, but brilliant unintended consequence: old packs were printed blue shiny with windows needing transit protection from scuffing; new brown printed cardboard didn't need protecting, enabling flat-packed delivery in big returnable cardboard dolufs (massive crates).
    Secondary packaging wrapping primary packaging completely removed, dolufs returned flat-packed for refilling. Reduced packaging tax liability, strengthened brand, internal excitement ("my god, look at all these positives"), message carrying even to non-sustainability people. Multiple wins speaking to different drivers and interests.
    Why Cheap Virgin Plastic Blocks Progress:
    Virgin plastic remaining very cheap is probably the biggest circularity problem, not hitting hard enough to force companies thinking differently. If prices shot through the roof (may still happen with rising oil prices), that would make a massive difference to product construction.
    Critical materials tied up in products sitting in drawers, going to tips, shipped elsewhere, draining away whilst we lose domestic resource. Solving this requires big collaboration thinking, conversations Vicky had three-four times in recent weeks about closing loops and capturing materials rather than paying to give them away.
    Funding is a big challenge (within business, within country); putting money behind things shows value and enables action beyond goodwill.
    Bad Design Pet Peeve:
    Vicky's absolute pet peeve is bad design, creating rubbish stuff that breaks easily. Products getting lighter/cheaper/breaking isn't lightweighting done properly; it's just bad design. Functionality must come first, otherwise it's completely pointless (product purpose is delivering function).
    Within that, bring sustainability and circularity options, but not at function expense. Aerospace, medtech, medical sectors make this undeniably critical. European right to repair conversations are fantastic, repair cafes bridge gaps between designers (understanding why products are made certain ways) and consumers (wanting modular 20-year washing machines), with Kibu headphones demonstrating playful building/repair/education for children (and adults wanting Mother's Day presents).
    Practical Starting Points:
    Think about personal practices as humans buying products daily (purchasing decisions, usage, lifespan, end-of-life, new versus secondhand). Baseline small businesses to understand carbon usage, where impact sits, what can change (Vicky's impact rising because business building and travelling more, but knowing enables policy changes).
    Understand the greatest impacts and zones of influence. Massively underestimate influence spheres: software companies thinking "we deal in software, no impact" miss supply chain and customer influence opportunities. Great ideas always came from somebody having energy to suggest and push forward; staying in "it's always somebody else's problem" loops prevents progress.
    In this product design and circularity episode, you'll discover:
    Why 30 years feels like progress and stagnation simultaneously
    How Triton Showers removed plastic whilst reducing costs through returnable dolufs
    Why cheap virgin plastic is the biggest circularity blocker
    Vicky's pet peeve about bad design making products break
    Why function must come first (otherwise product is pointless)
    How repair cafes bridge designer-consumer gaps
    Why aerospace discovering circularity in 2026 feels 20 years late
    The unintended NHS biodegradable gloves consequence (incinerated in orange bags)
    Why collaboration is essential for capturing critical materials draining away
    How personal purchasing practices inform business approaches

    Key Insights:
    (06:45) Progress and frustration: "There's times we feel like grandmas repeating ourselves... But I am much more optimistic because it is so much less niche than it ever was."
    (10:57) Packaging regs reach: "The reach was massive, way more than I anticipated... When you're putting a price tag on something that's fairly easily resolved, people think, well actually, that's probably something we need to do."
    (14:04) Lifecycle thinking gap: "There's a real lack of lifecycle thinking... You can't just look at one element and that will give you the answer."
    (21:54) Virgin plastic problem: "Virgin plastic is still very cheap. That is probably one of the biggest problems... It's not enough of a hit to force companies to think differently."
    (24:36) Triton cascading wins: "The knock-on effect was just fantastic... Really great savings both in terms of carbon and cost... That's gotta be a winner."
    (28:35) Bad design pet peeve: "That's just bad design. Functionality has to come first... There's no point in creating something that's going to break, because the purpose of the product is to deliver the function."
    (38:02) Draining resources: "We're shipping them off to wherever to be dealt with. And we're losing all this resource that we have within the country."
    Connect with Dr. Lofthouse
    Website: enable-sustainability.co.uk
    LinkedIn: Dr Vicky Lofthouse
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About Straight Talking Sustainability

Welcome to Straight Talking Sustainability! I'm your host, Emma Burlow. If you're feeling lost in all the sustainability talk or struggling to see real results in your business, this podcast is for you. We’ll clear up the confusion and focus on practical, straightforward actions that actually work. Join me as I talk with experts, share real-world stories, and tackle the common roadblocks that stop businesses from making progress. This is all about making sustainability easier and sharing what truly makes a difference. Let’s keep it simple, effective, and make sustainability stick!
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