#300 Sande Golgart: What If You’re Winning the Wrong Game? — Part One
Sande Golgart was the guy who said yes to every opportunity, outran every challenge, and never sat still—until one day, the success story stopped feeling like his. In Part One, he opens up about going from slam dunk champ to corporate high-performer to someone questioning the very game he was winning. He talks about early ambition, the trap of nonstop action, and the moment he realized: “You climb, climb, climb… then realize the mountain isn’t even yours.”Key Highlights of Our Interview:From Slam Dunks to Sales Calls“I was competing in dunk contests all over the country. I used that same mindset in business.”The High Performer Trap“I just kept saying yes. I never said no. I kept moving, kept growing, kept stretching.”Action Over Inaction“Even if you take a wrong step, at least you’re moving. Inaction is a choice too—but it gives you nothing to work with.”The Wake-Up Line“You climb, climb, climb… then realized the mountain isn’t even yours.”No Off Switch“I didn’t even know what I liked. I never stopped long enough to ask.”_____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sande Golgart
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#299 Chris Quek: Building the Next Gen, Starting With His Own
Chris Quek isn’t just building startups—he’s building a generation. In this second half of his story, he shares how selling his inheritance became the launchpad for Thrive, a VC firm that invests in Southeast Asia’s overlooked next-gen entrepreneurs. From structuring value-aligned startups to teaching his kids the principles behind technology, Chris shows how legacy isn’t something you receive—it’s something you design. For Gen Xers navigating intergenerational tension, personal ambition, and regional impact, this episode delivers both hard-won wisdom and a hopeful blueprint.>>From Closure to Creation“I didn’t inherit a business—I shut it down.”Chris shares the emotional closure with his father, the sale of the family factory, and how he turned personal loss into a new professional beginning.>>Southeast Asia’s Family Business Wake-Up Call“We raised a generation of lawyers and bankers—but who’s left to run the businesses?”He explains how Singapore’s success came at a cost: the erosion of entrepreneurial drive—and why he’s now building the bridge back.>>Designing a VC That Feeds the Ecosystem“Our investors are second-gen family owners. Our startups solve their problems.”Chris outlines Thrive’s unique model: a purpose-built flywheel that connects capital, tech, and legacy businesses in Southeast Asia.>>Capital with a Conscience“We backed a ride-hailing company where drivers take home 40% more pay.”From AgriMax to Tata, Chris shares examples of startups Thrive has funded that combine profitability with real, human impact.>>Fatherhood, Values, and the Next Next Gen“I don’t teach my kids my methods—I teach them my values.”Chris opens up about parenting three children under 13, mentoring with intention, and why good values—not rigid playbooks—are what truly last._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Christopher Quek
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#298 Chris Quek: From Inheritance to Identity
Chris Quek could’ve stayed in the family business and lived comfortably. Instead, he chose a life of uncomfortable clarity. In this first of a two-part series, Chris shares how he rejected expectations, fled the legacy he was born into, and built an e-commerce business in Malaysia with nothing but grit and guidance from mentors. Now 46, he reflects on what identity really means when you’re not handed a playbook—and how each phase of reinvention brings you closer to your core. For Gen Xers rewriting their lives mid-game, this is the kind of conversation that sticks.>>When Legacy Isn’t Your Story“I didn’t want to be the son of Mr. Quek. I wanted to be me.”Chris explains why he left his family’s manufacturing empire and fled to Malaysia—where he started over, with no plan, no capital, and no title.>>Courage Is Quiet“I lasted three days in China. Then I left. I couldn’t do it.”He unpacks the emotional and ethical discomfort that made him walk away from his father’s factory—and the fear he had to face to forge his own path.>>Lessons from the Streets of Malaysia“My startup wasn’t sexy. It was survival.”Chris shares how he built a cross-border e-commerce business using payment hacks, logistics hustle, and gut instinct—long before VC buzzwords existed.>>Mentorship Over Money“I didn’t inherit wealth. I inherited wisdom.”Raised around entrepreneurs and sharp thinkers, Chris reflects on how informal mentoring—from car rides to restaurant napkins—shaped his business thinking.>>Every Decade, Rediscover Yourself“At every stage, I found a new part of me I didn’t know existed.”Chris traces his 20-year journey through reinvention—from entrepreneur to advisor to VC—and why he believes identity isn’t found. It’s built, season by season._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Christopher Quek
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#297 Gagan Sandhu: Redefining Wealth, Reinventing Work
In this second half of his conversation, Gagan Sandhu pulls back the curtain on what it really means to design financial independence. It’s not about the FIRE movement or early retirement—it’s about knowing your trade-offs and making conscious, math-informed decisions that align with your values. From career reinvention every 10 years to balancing ambition with family time, Gagan offers Gen Xers a refreshingly grounded take on money, identity, and midlife work design.>>Financial Independence Is a Design Decision“I didn’t quit to escape. I quit because I could—on my own terms.”Gagan redefines financial independence not as a finish line, but a framework for how to live, work, and choose with freedom.>>It’s Not About the Number. It’s About the Math Behind Your Life“I built a five-year runway—not a fantasy.”He walks through how he calculated his freedom, X + Y + Z style: long-term retirement, short-term burn, and real-life expenses like college.>>FIRE vs Philosophy“Desires evolve. So does your definition of freedom.”In a head-to-head with Vince, Gagan goes deep on the psychology of wealth—and why independence without self-awareness is just another trap.>>Ageism or Skill Gap?“Don’t blame age. Upgrade your playbook.”Gagan reframes mid-career uncertainty not as an HR problem, but a personal pivot point—and makes a sharp case for reinvention every 10 years.>>Teaching the Tool, Not the Trick“You don’t need financial content. You need clarity.”He explains how Zillion helps busy families and immigrants manage wealth like pros—not through advice, but through intuitive, data-backed modeling._________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Gagan Sandhu
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#296 Gagan Sandhu: Engineer Your Independence
Gagan Sandhu didn’t chase freedom. He calculated it. In this first of a two-part series, the Chicago Booth MBA, former tech exec, and founder of fintech startup Zillion shares how he redefined financial independence—moving beyond buzzwords and into practical action. From his immigrant roots to his pivot from mechanical engineering to Silicon Valley, Gagan shows how knowledge—not speed—builds real freedom. Whether you’re Gen X or Gen Z, this conversation reframes wealth not as a finish line, but as a tool for designing the life you actually want.>>From Engineering to Independence“I didn’t change careers at 22—I did it at 30, with a kid on the way.”Gagan shares how he shifted from mechanical engineering to tech—slowly, methodically, while balancing parenthood and late-night coding marathons.>>Knowledge Is Currency“Every leap I made came from learning, not luck.”He reflects on why knowledge—not connections, not titles—has been the key success driver in his nonlinear, global career.>>Financial Independence ≠ Retirement“I didn’t stop working. I stopped relying on someone else to fund my time.”Gagan breaks down the real math behind financial independence, and why it’s not about quitting your job—it’s about having options.>>FIRE Without the Hype“We turned it into a real-time calculator—so people can stop guessing and start acting.”Gagan explains how his company Zillion helps users understand their path to independence through clean logic, custom inputs, and grounded assumptions.>>Money, Math, and Meaning“Independence isn’t a destination—it’s a design challenge.”In a thoughtful back-and-forth with Vince, Gagan shares why financial planning must merge psychology, lifestyle design, and human behavior—not just numbers in a spreadsheet._________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Gagan Sandhu
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