A rare behind-the-scenes roundtable with four of the UK’s most exciting challenger brand founders — Toby Hopkinson of All Things Butter, Jack Scott of DASH Water, Imme Ermgassen of Botivo, and Florence Cherruault of The Pickle House — filmed live at Strakers.
Dan digs into the messy, brilliant reality of building modern food and drink brands: when to stay focused, when to diversify, how to win retail listings, why hospitality can build cultural credibility, and what happens when your “side idea” suddenly becomes 70% of the business.
From cottage cheese and pickle juice to Victoria Beckham, Ottolenghi, Coco de Mer, Waitrose, United Airlines, New York launches, supermarket mistakes, brand copycats, and the power of packaging — this is a sharp, funny, honest conversation about growth, taste, culture, and the brutal lessons founders only learn by getting things wrong.
ON THE MENU:
• Cottage cheese becoming 70% of All Things Butter
• DASH’s failed mixer launch
• Pickle House’s move from cocktails to wellness
• Pickle juice for muscle cramps
• Botivo’s collaborations with Ottolenghi and Coco de Mer
• Fashion, food, drink, and culture-led brand building
• Victoria Beckham drinking DASH
• Using restaurants to build product credibility
• Hospitality vs grocery retail
• Launching into Waitrose
• Why premium venues create brand halo
• Taste as the real reason people repurchase
• Product iteration vs marketing spend
• “Cost of goods is marketing”
• Polarising products and passionate fans
• One-star reviews and super-tasters
• Hiring senior leaders
• Difficult conversations with retailers and manufacturers
• When manufacturers copy your product
• Why brand is a moat
• Packaging, texture, and supermarket shelf appeal
• Creating ritual in non-alcoholic drinks
• Functional drinks, CBD, THC, caffeine, and nootropics
• Saying no to shiny opportunities
• International expansion mistakes
• Launching in the US
• Tariffs, middlemen, and legal risk in America
• United Airlines as a major Pickle House opportunity
• Scaling back international markets
• Why some brands travel better than others
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This episode was edited by: G.Thomas Craig (https://www.linkedin.com/in/gthomascraig/)