Radical Candor: Communication at Work

• Becoming a Not-So-Secretly Candid Leader with Chloé van Bergen 7 | 24

  Fun fact: this episode exists thanks to a few pints and a little Radical Candor in the wild. Our audio engineer Nick met today’s guest, Chloé van Bergen, VP of Operations at Secretly Group, at his brother’s stag do. One loud London pub and an honest conversation later—we knew we had to get her on the show. Join Kim and Amy for a candid conversation with Chloé about what it really takes to lead change inside a legacy-driven music company. She gets real about navigating unionization, confronting indifference, and learning—sometimes the hard way—that being “nice” isn’t the same as being kind. From UK-style politeness to Dutch directness, Chloé shares what worked (and what didn’t) when rolling out Radical Candor across continents. Spoiler: no sugarcoating here — just straight up kind and clear. Get all of the show notes at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠RadicalCandor.com/podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Episode Links: Transcript⁠⁠ Chloé van Bergen | LinkedIn  Nick Carissimi Secretly Group Secretly Canadian | Info Granny Alice Avoid The Feedback Sandwich | Radical Candor Podcast 5 | 15 Toxic Positivity | Radical Candor Podcast 5 | 27 Navigating Radical Candor and Cultural Differences How To Navigate Feedback Conversations On Diverse Teams | Radical Candor Unreasonable Hospitality: The Remarkable Power of Giving People More Than They Expect | Will Guidara  Scaling People: Tactics for Management and Company Building | Claire Hughes Johnson  Pivot: Eight Principles for Transforming your Business in a Time of Disruption | Will Page  Secretly Group: Workers at Indie-Music Company Begin Efforts to Unionize | Rolling Stone Secretly Group Union Earns Contract In Major Milestone for Indie Music Organizing | Rolling Stone Connect: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Bluesky⁠⁠⁠⁠ Chapters: (00:00:00) Introduction Kim and Amy introduce Chloé van Bergen, VP of Operations at Secretly Group. (00:01:04) From Stag Do to Podcast Guest How a chance meeting at a UK pub led to Chloé joining the show. (00:05:25) What Is Secretly Group? The structure, history, and collaborative ethos of Secretly Group. (00:09:05) Discovering Radical Candor Being introduced to Radical Candor and the mindset shift it inspired. (00:10:42) Struggling with Direct Feedback Using Radical Candor to move past the fear of being too blunt. (00:12:43) Giving Feedback Across Borders Navigating cultural differences in feedback styles across countries. (00:17:25) Practicing Vulnerability Through Action Building confidence by starting to speak up, one moment at a time. (00:20:07) Pandemic Leadership & Operational Overhaul Navigating starting during COVID and legacy infrastructures. (00:25:13) Rockstar vs. Superstar: Rethinking Growth Learning not everyone wants to climb—some excel where they are. (00:29:50) Unionization During COVID How a union announcement led to a company-wide listening reset. (00:34:57) Adapting to AI & Industry Shifts Staying open by staying honest—even without having all the answers. (00:36:28) Kind ≠ Nice: Facing Hard Truths How kindness isn’t niceness—and can slow down change. (00:39:33) Chloé’s Radical Candor Tip Having the courage to say the thing, even if it feels uncomfortable. (00:42:46) Conclusion Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• What Real Inclusion Looks Like at Work When You’re LGBTQ+ 7 | 23

  We’re celebrating Pride Month, and to kick us off, Amy and Brandi get real about the unfiltered, often uncomfortable truth of being LGBTQ+ in the workplace—where invisibility can feel safer than honesty, and “inclusion” doesn’t always include you. In this 'best of' episode, they unpack the messy layers of LGBTQ+ identity at work—from pronoun politics and people-pleasing to being “the only one” in the room. If you’ve ever felt unseen at work—or want to ensure your team doesn’t have to—this one’s for you. Showing up matters more than getting it perfect. Get all of the show notes at ⁠⁠⁠⁠RadicalCandor.com/podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠. Episode Links: Transcript Radically Candid Pride: Coming Out at Work Coming Out – Human Rights Campaign 7 Myths About Coming Out at Work Coming Out at Work Pride Month Shows Employers Have a Long Way to Go Supporting LGBTQ+ Workers’ Mental Health Beyond rainbow washing: Supporting LGBTQ+ at work and beyond How to support the LGBTQ+ community at work and beyond What Not To Say to Someone Who Has Come Out As Bisexual Coming out at work: transgender scientists share their stories Nearly half of LGBTQ employees in the US think being “out” at work is a bad career move Why Bisexual Adults Report Higher Rates of Mental Distress – The New York Times The 10 Most Groundbreaking Bisexual Characters of All Time Your Guide to the Best Online LGBTQ+ Counseling Options in 2023 Read the ‘Yep, I’m Gay’ Ellen DeGeneres Interview From 1997 Attitude: As Bisexual Awareness Week approaches, four bisexuals tell us if they feel accepted in 2023 Connect: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Bluesky⁠⁠⁠ Chapters: (00:00:00) Introduction Kim and Amy introduce the episode focusing on coming out at work.  (00:01:42) Why Representation Matters Statistics on workplace discrimination faced by LGBTQ+ employees. (00:05:22) Pronouns, Labels & Personal Identity The limiting nature of pronouns and labelling oneself. (00:09:52) Living a Double Life Dating secretly and the sense of being "othered" in mainstream culture.  (00:13:06) The Limited Supply The isolation created by the absence of a visible queer community. (00:17:37) The Spiritual Journey & Other Closets How the act of coming out led to a deeper exploration of spirituality. (00:19:37) The Cost of Hiding at Work The emotional and psychological toll of being closeted in the workplace. (00:21:04) Finally Coming Out at Work The slow, iterative process of coming out and how Radical Candor helped. (00:23:21) The Bisexual Experience at Work The unique stigmas bisexuals face within and outside LGBTQ+ spaces. (00:28:15) Words, Labels & Inner Homophobia The complexity of identity labels and how internalized bias can shape them. (00:32:37) The Power of Representation in Media The importance of media characters who normalize LGBTQ+. (00:36:26) Inclusion & the Privilege of Presentation Soliciting inclusive feedback and how privilege shapes perceptions. (00:40:21) Hair as Identity & Microaggressions A painful but powerful story about being judged for appearances.  (00:43:40) Being the Only One in the Room The exhaustion of being the sole representative of marginalized identities. (00:46:30) Making Mistakes & Owning Them The role of feedback and straight allies in creating inclusive spaces. (00:49:43) What Allies Can Do A story about support when encountering a homophobic comment.  (00:52:03) Setting Boundaries The importance of respecting privacy and rejecting invasive curiosity (00:54:29) Radical Candor Tips Key takeaways on supporting LGBTQ+ colleagues (00:58:12) Conclusion Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Leading Through Chaos With Stephanie Chung 7 | 22

  Leadership sounds empowering—until you're navigating chaos, clunky systems, and a team giving you major side-eye. Amy and Kim talk with Stephanie Chung—trailblazing exec, leadership strategist, and accidental trust-builder—about the messy reality of stepping into high-stakes roles. Stephanie gets candid about what it’s really like to walk into a company mid-crisis, how to lead teams that don’t look, think, or operate like you, and why asking the right questions beats having all the answers. From decoding broken sales processes to building authentic relationships, her approach blends Radical Candor with radical curiosity. Her book Ally Leadership isn’t just a guide—it’s a wake-up call for anyone ready to lead with heart, backbone, and an open mind. If you’ve ever doubted your instincts or feared saying the wrong thing, this episode is your invitation to lead anyway—and lead better. Get all of the show notes at ⁠⁠⁠RadicalCandor.com/podcast⁠⁠⁠. Episode Links: Transcript Stephanie Chung and Associates, Inc. | LinkedIn Stephanie Chung The Radical Candor Guide to Leading Through Uncertainty Ally Leadership: How to Lead People Who Are Not Like You Connect: ⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Bluesky⁠⁠ Chapters: (00:00:00) Introduction Kim and Amy introduce leadership expert Stephanie Chung. (00:01:31) Leading Through Change: Where to Start  The process of evaluating and addressing organizational challenges. (00:05:43) Diagnosing Sales Challenges  How process inefficiencies—not people—often hinder sales teams. (00:07:21) Building Trust as a New Leader  Strategies for establishing trust with new teams from day one. (00:10:07) Transforming JetSuite: From Commodity to Luxury Lessons from leading cultural and brand transformation. (00:11:46) Feedback & Self-Awareness in Leadership  The importance of vulnerability and inviting radical feedback. (00:17:50) Ally Leadership & Generational Diversity  Why curiosity is key to leading across generations and identities. (00:24:20) Being an Underrepresented Leader  Navigating workplace bias and building allyship in leadership. (00:30:11) Courageous Leadership & Using Your Voice  The importance of speaking up and building leadership muscle early. (00:33:27) Neuroscience of Bias & Rewiring the Brain  How to overcome in-group bias through exposure and curiosity. (00:38:13) Asking Questions to Build Trust Using questions to uncover personal connections and build rapport. (00:40:26) Listening to Understand, Not to Respond  Tactics for active, empathetic, and observant listening. (00:43:07) Where to Find Stephanie Leadership legacy, travel tips, and connecting with Stephanie. (00:47:08) Conclusion Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• The Evil Translator & The Fundamental Attribution Error (Best of) 7 | 21

  On this Best of episode of the Radical Candor podcast, Kim, Jason and Amy discuss how the fundamental attribution error makes us more likely to use personality attributes to explain someone else’s behavior rather than considering our own behavior or situational factors that were probably the real cause of the behavior. This is where the “not about personality” part of Radical Candor comes into play. Plus, Jason shares a hilarious (and painfully relatable) story about the “evil little translator” in his head that used to turn even well-meaning feedback into: 🗣️ “You’re terrible. You’re completely incompetent. It’s a miracle you tied your shoes this morning.” Sound familiar? You’re not alone. Tune in, laugh, and maybe rethink the way you hear feedback. Get all of the show notes at ⁠⁠RadicalCandor.com/podcast⁠⁠. Episode Links: Transcript Beware The Fundamental Attribution Error: Radical Candor Podcast 5 | 8  6 Tips for Giving Helpful Feedback Get to the CORE of Giving Radically Candid Feedback Fundamental attribution error – Wikipedia Fundamental Attribution Error: What It Is & How to Avoid It Giving Feedback: 4 Ways To Avoid Personalizing It Fundamental Attribution Error – The Decision Lab The Three Components of Self-Compassion Connect: ⁠⁠Website⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠ ⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠ ⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠ ⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠ ⁠Bluesky⁠ Chapters: (00:00:00) Introduction Amy, Kim, and Jason introduce the episode topic of the Fundamental Attribution Error. (00:01:46) Humility Before Feedback Why feedback opens the door to better understanding and solutions. (00:04:50) The Empty Boat A parable highlighting how misjudgments stem from our own triggers. (00:07:59) Blame the System or the Person? How systemic forces shape behavior more than we realize. (00:09:05) Building Relationships to Overcome Bias Whether relationships reduce our tendency to make assumptions. (00:11:15) Reframing How We Give Feedback How a simple language shift transforms conflict into connection. (00:14:54) Feedback Without Personality Labels How focusing on action makes feedback more impactful. (00:16:12) The CORE (or CORN) Framework Overview of a framework that makes feedback clear and actionable. (00:18:33) Real-World Examples of CORE An example of how CORE could have de-escalated a situation. (00:22:24) CORE Keeps Feedback Focused  How CORE shifts feedback from past-focused to future-focused. (00:27:01) Internal Critic and Self-Compassion Unpacking how our harsh inner voice colors how we hear feedback. (00:34:29) Managing Sensitive Team Members How to support colleagues with self-doubt through clarity and care. (00:36:12) From Furious to Curious Alternatives to personality-based criticism to make feedback constructive. (00:38:19) Radical Candor Tips Practical, actionable tips for giving and receiving feedback with care. (00:42:44) Conclusion Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Finding One More Molecule of Hope with Debbie Millman 7 | 20

  Growth sounds beautiful—until you’re knee-deep in failure, self-doubt, and a garden full of dead plants. Amy gets real with Debbie Millman—design legend, branding expert, and accidental gardener—to unpack the not-so-glamorous side of creativity, leadership, and learning to suck at something new. Debbie shares how screwing up (repeatedly) can actually make you better at just about everything and why success can kill your spark, how confidence actually works (spoiler: it’s not magic), and what gardening taught her about patience, failure, and asking for help. Her new book Love Letter to a Garden isn’t just about flowers—it’s about finding hope in the mess and meaning in the mistakes. Oh, and her wife, Roxane Gay, included a killer tomato sauce recipe. If you’ve ever felt stuck, scared, or unsure where to begin, this is your reminder to grab a shovel and just plant something already. Get all of the show notes at ⁠⁠RadicalCandor.com/podcast⁠⁠. Episode Links: ⁠⁠Transcript⁠⁠ ⁠Debbie Millman  Debbie Millman: Creativity, Leadership And The Courage To Tend | Radical Candor Design Matters Love Letter to a Garden Connect: ⁠⁠Website⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠ ⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠ ⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠ ⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠ ⁠Bluesky⁠ Chapters: (00:00:00) Introduction Amy introduces guest Debbie Millman, designer, author, and host of Design Matters. (00:04:05) Starting Design Matters How Debbie started the podcast to reconnect with creative purpose. (00:07:17) From Maker to Manager The tough transition from doing creative work to leading others. (00:09:28) Communicating with Impact Why how you show up matters as much as what you say. (00:12:00) Feedback & Growth Learning to receive criticism and evolve from it. (00:16:48) Confidence Through Repetition Why confidence comes after doing — not before. (00:19:05) A Gardener’s Beginning How one creative experiment led to Love Letter to a Garden. (00:24:54) Learning to Ask for Help A turning point in accepting guidance and sharing vulnerability. (00:27:51) Hope Over Shame Choosing to keep going — one molecule of hope at a time. (00:31:20) Processing Emotions The value of feeling your feelings, not rushing past them. (00:34:40) Fulfillment in the Process Why lasting joy is found in the act of creating, not accolades. (00:38:06) Control & Chaos Using design and gardening as ways to find agency. (00:41:11) Harvesting and Sharing Turning garden bounty into nourishment and love. (00:42:55) Something to Plant Debbie’s parting wisdom: plant something—and let go. (00:45:54) Conclusion Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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