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The Systemic Way

Podcast The Systemic Way
Sezer and Julie
This podcast gives the listener an opportunity to hear conversations with people from the field of systemic psychotherapy. Host Sezer and Julie, two systemic an...

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  • Sailing the 7 C's of Systemic Practice in Primary Healthcare Settings: In conversation with Dr John Launer
    Join us in this insightful episode as we sit down with Dr. John Launer, a retired GP, family therapist, and pioneer in integrating systemic and narrative approaches into healthcare. Dr. Launer shares his journey from general practice to becoming a leading figure in training healthcare professionals to use therapeutic conversations in their everyday work.Discover the transformative power of Conversations Inviting Change (CIC), a method Dr. Launer co-developed to help clinicians balance the normative demands of medicine with the reflective, curiosity-driven practices of systemic and narrative therapy. Learn about the Seven Cs framework—Conversation, Curiosity, Context, Complexity, Challenge, Caution, and Care—and how it can revolutionize patient interactions, supervision, and teamwork in healthcare settings.Dr. Launer also reflects on the challenges facing the NHS, the importance of storytelling in medicine, and his hopes for the future of healthcare education. Whether you're a healthcare professional, therapist, or simply curious about innovative approaches to communication, this episode offers valuable insights into creating meaningful, patient-centered care.Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion that bridges the gap between medicine and therapy, and explores how curiosity and reflection can transform healthcare practices.
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  • "Thinking Theory, Talking Ordinary": John Burnham on his Approaches, Methods and Techniques to Therapy, Supervision and Training.
    Join us for an inspiring and personal conversation with John Burnham, a true trailblazer in systemic psychotherapy and a visionary in the field of family therapy. With a career spanning over five decades, John has dedicated his life to transforming the way we understand and approach mental health, particularly in the context of eating disorders and family dynamics.In this insightful podcast episode, John Burnham, reflects on his decades-long career, sharing personal and professional experiences that have shaped his approach to systemic psychotherapy. He discusses the importance of relationships, both in therapy and in life, emphasizing how trust, risk-taking, and role-playing are essential tools for growth and connection. John recounts memorable moments from his practice, including how live supervision and reflective teams have influenced his work, and highlights the value of humility, curiosity, and adaptability in therapeutic practice. He also touches on the evolution of family therapy, the importance of staying relevant in the field, and his hopes for its future. With warmth and wisdom, John offers a heartfelt exploration of what it means to be a therapist, a colleague, and a lifelong learner in the ever-changing landscape of psychotherapy.Summary of episode:Role of Role Play in Learning:Importance of role play in helping students learn by making mistakes, recovering, and moving forward.Example of a supervisor demonstrating techniques with families in front of students, which students found helpful.Overcoming Fear of Failure:Students often hold back due to fear of making mistakes or not knowing how to start.Encouragement to take action, even if clumsy, rather than waiting to be "clever" or perfect.Families can be forgiving and collaborative in the process.Engaging Families in Therapy:Therapists need to show willingness to engage with families before expecting families to engage in therapy.Importance of taking initiative and co-creating solutions with families.Example of a therapist reading through a client's extensive notes and deciding to engage based on the person, not just the notes.Building Trust with Marginalized Families:Some families, such as same-sex couples, may fear judgment or criticism from therapists.Therapists need to reach out and create a safe space for these families to engage.Example of a therapist meeting a same-sex couple at the top of the stairs to reassure them and invite them into therapy.Ethics of Offering Therapy:Debate on whether to offer therapy without meeting the client first.Perspective that it is unethical to reject clients without meeting them and understanding their unique situation.Personal Reflections on Career and Privilege:Gratitude for being able to work in a field that is fulfilling and impactful.Reflection on the privilege of loving one's job and making a contribution to others' lives.Connection to personal family history, such as a parent who trained as a family therapist but never practiced.Decolonization in Family Therapy:Family therapy as a decolonizing process against the medical model and individualization.Discussion of presentism and judging past actions by current standards.Reflection on the lack of exposure to racial issues in a monocultural environment and how that shaped early understanding.Intergenerational Impact of Training:Therapists training the children of those they previously trained, highlighting the long-term impact of their work. 
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  • Opening Doors for Open Dialogues in the UK: In conversation with Nick Putman
    In this episode, we sit down with Nick Putman, founder of Open Dialogue UK and a leading force in adapting the Open Dialogue approach to the UK. As a UKCP registered psychotherapist and certified Open Dialogue practitioner and trainer, Nick shares his journey of learning directly from pioneers like Jaakko Seikkula and Jorma Ahonen, and how he has worked to bring this revolutionary approach to the NHS and beyond.We explore Nick’s visits to Western Lapland to study Open Dialogue in practice, his work running training programmes internationally, and his contributions as co-editor of Open Dialogue for Psychosis. With over 25 years of experience in mental health settings, Nick offers deep insights into how prioritising dialogue, relationships, and meaning can transform care for people experiencing psychosis and their families.Join us for an inspiring conversation about the challenges and triumphs of bringing Open Dialogue to the UK and reshaping mental health services.
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  • Neurodiversity, Systemic Practice, and Reflections – Hayaa’ Network Conference 2024
    In this episode, we’re joined by attendees from the Hayaa’ Network’s groundbreaking conference on neurodiversity, held in Singapore in February 2024. Together, we reflect on the latest advancements in practice, research, and theory in this rapidly evolving area of mental health, all through a systemic lens. Featuring insights from keynote speakers Dr. Marwa Azab, Ms. Nora Bateson, Ms. Maimunah Mosli, and Dr. Mairi Evans, this conversation dives into the intersections of neurodiversity and systemic practice. We explore the complexities shaping the experiences of neurodivergent individuals and their families, offering fresh perspectives on the interplay between mental health and neurodiversity.Tune in for an engaging discussion that highlights the rich tapestry of systemic approaches in this vital field.We are joined by:Rubi SalamRupert ArmistadEleanor OsmanShalia Sheikh Ameesha Sharif
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  • The Divided Island - Film as Systemic Intervention: In conversation with filmmakers Cey Sesiguzel, Andreas Tokkallos and guest co-host Dr Emilios Lemoniatis.
    Join us for a compelling exploration of, The Divided Island, a groundbreaking documentary film that delves into the complex history, identity, and shared humanity of Cyprus. In this episode, we sit down with the film’s creators - director Cey Sesiguzel (Turkish Cypriot) and co-producer Andreas Tokkallos (Greek Cypriot) - as they reflect on their journey of collaboration and friendship, the stories that shaped their film, and the ways art can bridge even the deepest divides. We are also joined by Dr Emilios Lemoniatis, a consultant child psychiatrist, systemic psychotherapist and Cypriot Greek who joins us as a special guest host for this special episode. Through our conversation, we unpack the documentary’s key themes: the legacy of division, the impact of generational trauma, the search for missing stories, and the resilience of families caught between history and hope. Together, we ask: What does it mean to be Cypriot today? How can shared cultural strengths and systemic thinking create paths toward healing?Whether you’re familiar with Cyprus’s history or new to its story, this episode offers a thought-provoking dialogue on identity, reconciliation, and the power of storytelling to inspire change.https://www.thedividedisland.com/The Divided Island challenges the often hostility-driven narratives perpetuated by mainstream media, offering instead a pursuit of truth through deeply personal interviews - from those whose lives, homes, and country were torn apart, to the new generation of Cypriots yearning for peaceful reconciliation.  The filmmakers aim to bring an unbiased, shared understanding of a complex issue and foster a narrative towards a future peaceful solution to the ‘Cyprus problem’.
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About The Systemic Way

This podcast gives the listener an opportunity to hear conversations with people from the field of systemic psychotherapy. Host Sezer and Julie, two systemic and family psychotherapists, discuss a wide range of topics, theories, practices and experiences with their guests, giving the listener an insight into this disciplines contribution to social change.Artwork by Arai Drake Creative: http://www.araidrake.com/portfolio/thesystemicway/Music by Rena PaidWe are now being supported by the Association of Family Therapy (AFT).
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