Lifers with Christina Farr

Christina Farr sits down with Peter Lee, President of Microsoft Science, and Dr. Christopher Longhurst, the new CEO of Seattle Children's, to take stock of where AI in healthcare actually stands versus where the headlines say it is. They get into why ambient scribes still haven't produced a clean financial win, Chris's prediction that within three to five years a physician assistant augmented by AI may practice at the level of the best general pediatrician, and the three Cs he argues will keep humans in the loop: competence, communication, and character. Peter closes on the risk he worries about most, which is people using AI to hide from accountability on consequential decisions. Dive into the Granola notes from this episode: https://notes.granola.ai/t/54b78860-bad6-4057-afa8-0d61fe4750c0-009c2hma —SPONSOR: Granola

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—Join Christina for upcoming webinars:9/17 - Top Employers Share What Healthcare Startups Need to Know in 2026 - https://www.secondopinion.media/employers-as-healthcare-purchasers-how-startups-can-break-in/ 9/22 - Where are AI Agents Actually Working in Healthcare, and Why? - https://streamyard.com/watch/42HnpJFgxNT4 9/24 - Healthcare AI Has an ROI Problem - https://www.secondopinion.media/ama-with-aaron-miri/ —LINKS: Compared with What? Measuring AI against the Health Care We Have: https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMp2404691 Why are humans still in the loop with advancing AI capabilities?: https://bmjdigitalhealth.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000057

Chrissy Farr on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LiferswithChristinaFarr Chrissy Farr on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cfarr/ Subscribe to the Second Opinion Newsletter: https://secondopinion.media/ Chrissy’s Book: The Storyteller's Advantage: https://www.chrissyfarr.com/books

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Second Opinion Media:https://www.instagram.com/second.opinion.media/ https://x.com/second_op_media —TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Lead in(00:28) Intro(01:23) A massive moment(04:01) Red pill ER reality(06:12) Mission control and upskilling(07:13) Tech leaders as CEOs(09:27) Ambient scribes and costs(13:43) Hierarchy versus efficiency(15:23) Full stack healthcare workforce(18:09) Sponsor: Granola(18:55) Rethinking training and roles(21:36) Bending the back office curve(23:12) Admin jobs and AI skills(27:50) Self driving cars benchmarking(30:11) AI exceptionalism and agents(32:59) Autonomy in clinical care(36:25) Humans in the loop(39:27) Accountability and responsibility(41:37) Frontier models beat specialists(46:35) Workflow interoperability and wrap(47:53) Wrap

Nick Reber, Founder and CEO, Garner Health talks with Chrissy about why the most consequential decision in healthcare, which doctor you actually see, is the one patients have the least information about. After four spine surgeries for a problem that turned out to be in his neck, Nick left Bridgewater, spent time on the leadership team at Oscar Health, and started Garner to put physician performance data and financial incentives in front of employees. They get into the 4x variation in complication rates between the best and worst quartile of doctors inside the same brand-name hospital system, why price in healthcare tracks market share rather than quality, and what happened when he brought that data to large academic medical centers while building provider networks at the health plan. Dive into the Granola notes from this episode: https://notes.granola.ai/t/3487c811-86da-4c10-a79d-27d21625e2c7-009c2hma —SPONSOR: Granola

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—LINKS: Garner Health: https://garnerhealth.com Garner's Series E: https://garnerhealth.com/blog/ai-will-fix-healthcare-but-it-needs-help ProPublica Surgeon Scorecard: https://projects.propublica.org/surgeons/ Nick Reber, Sequoia founder profile: https://sequoiacap.com/founder/nick-reber/

Chrissy Farr on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LiferswithChristinaFarr Chrissy Farr on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cfarr/ Subscribe to the Second Opinion Newsletter: https://secondopinion.media/ Chrissy’s Book: The Storyteller's Advantage: https://www.chrissyfarr.com/books

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—TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Lead in(00:33) Intro(00:54) Meet Nick Reber(01:43) Patient origin story(04:32) Bridgewater lessons(07:30) Startup mindset(09:53) Why healthcare wins(15:28) Sponsor: Granola(16:15) What Garner does(20:45) Doctor quality variation(22:21) Cost versus quality(24:40) Why plans cannot share(27:03) Employer system origins(32:24) Fixing incentives(34:46) Should data be public(37:25) Quiet unicorn growth(39:11) Selling through brokers(42:40) Future plan designs(46:41) AI and team structure(51:06) Wrap

In Episode 4 of Rounds: Where Healthcare Meets Wall Street, Christina Farr and Stephanie Davis break down the latest healthcare and AI headlines before sitting down with Sam Toole, Partner at Primary Venture Partners, and Sonia Millsom, CEO of Oxeon.

We'll cover:

The latest healthcare and AI market news, including what happened with Situational Awareness, Doctronic’s acquisition of Summer Health, Teladoc’s shifting outlook, and Waystar’s recent stock decline.

How EHR giants like Epic, Oracle, and Microsoft will fare in the AI era — and whether VC-backed startups can truly disrupt the incumbents.

What Sam Toole sees as the biggest opportunities and areas of conviction for early-stage healthcare investors in an increasingly AI-driven market.

Epic’s recent leadership departures and what they could signal about succession planning at one of healthcare’s most influential companies.

Sonia Millsom’s take on Epic’s recent leadership departures, what they signal about succession planning, and what healthcare boards should look for when evaluating their next generation of leaders.

What effective succession planning looks like, why boards often rely on the wrong kind of pattern recognition when evaluating leaders, and what healthcare companies should prioritize instead.

Hosts and Guests:

Christina Farr, CEO, Second Opinion; GP, Scrub Capital

Stephanie Davis, Healthcare Industry Analyst

Sam Toole, Partner at Primary Venture Partners

Sonia Millsom, CEO at Oxeon

Sponsored by Silicon Valley Bank.

This week on Lifers, Christina Farr is joined by Eric Larsen, President of TowerBrook Advisors and President Emeritus of the Advisory Board, argues that the shift of GDP from labor to capital is already underway, and that healthcare, the most labor-intensive sector in the US economy, will not be the laggard everyone assumes. They get into the $2.9 trillion of healthcare spending that goes to labor, why white-collar work turns out to have no union protection at exactly the moment white-collar work is what gets automated, and what he calls the Orwellian conspiracy of silence on job dislocation. Dive into the Granola notes from this episode: https://notes.granola.ai/t/405c9b0e-a70e-42ec-82b8-b34cc24303d2-008umkv4

—SPONSORS: Granola & Baker Health

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Baker Health delivers concierge primary care focused on prevention, wellness, and lifestyle optimization. Combining personalized care with integrative services—including nutrition, mental health, weight management, and lifestyle medicine—Baker Health provides Members with a holistic, whole-person approach to long-term health and longevity. Through extended visits, seamless access to doctors, and a curated specialty network, Baker Health ensures Members receive proactive guidance and actionable insights to optimize their well-being.

Baker Health serves Members across multiple locations and provides a tech-enabled experience through the proprietary Baker Health app, offering 365-day access to doctors and care teams. Download the Baker Health App: https://linktr.ee/baker_health Learn More: https://www.bakerhealth.com/

—LINKS: Towerbrook: https://www.towerbrook.com/ The Citrini memo: https://www.citriniresearch.com/p/2028gic Dario Amodei, "The Adolescence of Technology": https://darioamodei.com/essay/the-adolescence-of-technology Eric and Dario Amodei: Incumbents and Insurgents in Healthcare: https://www.incumbentsandinsurgents.com/e/dario-amodei/ Dan Wang, Breakneck: China's Quest to Engineer the Future: https://danwang.co/breakneck/

Chrissy Farr on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LiferswithChristinaFarr Chrissy Farr on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cfarr/ Subscribe to the Second Opinion Newsletter: https://secondopinion.media/ Chrissy’s Book: The Storyteller's Advantage: https://www.chrissyfarr.com/books

—FOLLOW:Eric:https://www.linkedin.com/in/eric-larsen-a4a0461/ Chrissy:https://www.linkedin.com/in/christinafarr/ https://x.com/chrissyfarr Second Opinion Media:https://www.instagram.com/second.opinion.media/ https://x.com/second_op_media —TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Lead In(00:47) Intro(01:08) Meet Eric Larsen(02:52) ChatGPT conversion moment(04:40) Tech perfectionism debate(06:52) Citrini memo fallout(08:23) AI targets knowledge work(13:46) Healthcare dislocation ethics(15:35) Why healthcare is vulnerable(18:11) Sponsor: Granola | Baker Health(20:21) Automating revenue cycle(22:29) Universal high income idea(24:02) Capital vs labor divergence(25:39) CapEx arms race and layoffs(27:32) Overhiring or AI shift(29:38) Regulation and AI power risks(31:28) Growing smarter models(32:10) Regulation paradox in healthcare(34:08) Credentialism meets exponential tech(35:47) Complexity breaks medicine(39:09) Risk tolerance and iterative deployment(42:14) Lawyers and lost apprenticeships(43:12) Advice for 21 year olds(46:05) Four powers of synthetic intelligence(52:11) Human moat and last mile trust(54:31) Post scarcity and inequality risks(58:23) Wrap

This week on Lifers, Christina Farr is joined by Dr. Ezekiel J. Emanuel and Dr. John Whyte, CEO of the American Medical Association, who are longtime friends on opposite sides of the biggest question in health AI: should it ever practice medicine without a human in the loop? After Zeke’s commentary with Vinod and Neal Khosla argued AI performs better autonomously, the two agreed to debate. Zeke cites a Stanford RCT where AI managing insulin beat doctors by weeks; John counters that the evidence leans on simulated cases and that medicine is a trust relationship, not task completion. They clash over whether the "art of medicine" defense is disingenuous, who adopts autonomous AI first, the risk of physician de-skilling, and who should tell you you have cancer. Dive into the Granola notes from this episode: https://notes.granola.ai/t/f04862c0-3ed3-411f-a8dd-85b336356a19-008umkv4 —SPONSORS: Granola & Baker Health

If meetings are eating up your day, Granola is a no-brainer. You can try it totally free - just head to granola.ai/LIFERS

Baker Health delivers concierge primary care focused on prevention, wellness, and lifestyle optimization. Combining personalized care with integrative services—including nutrition, mental health, weight management, and lifestyle medicine—Baker Health provides Members with a holistic, whole-person approach to long-term health and longevity. Through extended visits, seamless access to doctors, and a curated specialty network, Baker Health ensures Members receive proactive guidance and actionable insights to optimize their well-being.Baker Health serves Members across multiple locations and provides a tech-enabled experience through the proprietary Baker Health app, offering 365-day access to doctors and care teams. Download the Baker Health App: https://linktr.ee/baker_health Learn More: https://www.bakerhealth.com/

—LINKS: Zeke’s JAMA commentary with Vinod Khosla and Neal Khosla: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/10.1001/jama.2026.15380 Bob Wachter's book A Giant Leap: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/776443/a-giant-leap-by-robert-wachter-md/ Stanford diabetes/insulin RCT: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2812420 Scott Winters v. OpenAI: https://www.inc.com/georgia-fearn/a-pastor-turned-to-chatgpt-instead-of-a-doctor-now-hes-suing-openai/91378175

Chrissy Farr on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LiferswithChristinaFarr Chrissy Farr on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cfarr/ Subscribe to the Second Opinion Newsletter: https://secondopinion.media/ Chrissy’s Book: The Storyteller's Advantage: https://www.chrissyfarr.com/books

—FOLLOW:Zeke:https://www.linkedin.com/in/zeke-emanuel-6ab78a1b0/ https://x.com/ZekeEmanuel

John:https://www.linkedin.com/in/drjohnwhyte https://x.com/drjohnwhyte

Chrissy:https://www.linkedin.com/in/christinafarr/ https://x.com/chrissyfarr

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—TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Lead In(00:46) Intro(02:53) Zeke's paper backstory(04:13) Self driving cars analogy(06:36) John pushback, trust and art(08:41) Claude diagnosis anecdote(12:19) Trials and deployment ideas(13:57) Evidence fight and guardrails(17:41) Empathy, education and autonomy(21:43) Sponsors: Granola | Baker Health(23:53) Human in loop, medication refills(26:35) Augmented AI and cancer second opinions(28:36) Debating the right question(30:09) Licensing and regulation(31:28) Chatbots in mental health(37:03) Patient story and self advocacy(43:29) Liability and ice cream bet(44:46) Doctors and robots by 2030(46:37) When humans hurt AI performance(48:20) Who breaks bad news(53:13) Wrap