The Humans vs Retirement Podcast

• Behaving Your Way to a Better Retirement with Greg Davies

  This is episode 75! And I’m thrilled to introduce my guest today. He is a true pioneer in the field of behavioural finance, Dr. Greg Davies. Greg is the Head of Behavioural Finance at Oxford Risk and has spent his career shaping how we understand investor psychology, financial decision-making, and the emotional complexities that come with managing money—especially in retirement. In this episode, we’ll explore the behavioural traps that retirees often fall into, how to build financial resilience, and why understanding your own psychology is just as important as having a well-structured portfolio. Throughout our conversation, Greg and I explore the multifaceted aspects of retirement planning, emphasizing the importance of guaranteed income and its psychological benefits. We discuss how behavioural finance plays a crucial role in spending habits during retirement, the impact of inflation on purchasing power, and the distinction between risk and volatility in investment strategies. We also touch on future trends in retirement planning, particularly the potential need for and benefits of health insurance and a shift in focus from bequest to spending during retirement. Key Takeaways Greg Davis shares his journey from economics to behavioral finance. Behavioral finance combines psychology, economics, and finance. The importance of practical applications of behavioral science in finance. People often make poor financial decisions due to cognitive biases. Simplifying complex financial concepts is crucial for better decision-making. Emotional comfort plays a significant role in financial decisions. Retirement planning today is more complex than in previous generations. Technology can help simplify financial decision-making processes. Understanding personal values is essential for effective retirement planning. The removal of guaranteed income streams complicates retirement planning. Financial advisors often overlook the emotional aspects of retirement planning. Guaranteed income can alleviate fears of running out of money. Behavioral finance significantly influences spending habits in retirement. People with guaranteed income tend to spend more comfortably. Inflation poses a significant risk to retirement savings. Understanding the difference between risk and volatility is crucial for investors. Many retirees are too conservative with their investment strategies. Health insurance will become increasingly important in retirement planning. The focus of retirement planning is shifting from bequest to spending. Planning for retirement should consider both financial and emotional factors. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to Greg Davis and His Journey 01:22 - The Intersection of Behavioral Science and Finance 05:45 - Building a Behavioral Finance Team at Barclays 10:53 - Understanding Behavioral Challenges in Retirement 21:57 - Navigating Retirement in a Complex World 29:50 - The Emotional and Financial Aspects of Retirement Planning 32:04 - The Role of Guaranteed Income in Retirement 36:16 - Behavioral Benefits of Guaranteed Income 40:05 - Real-Life Impacts of Guaranteed Income 44:23 - Inflation and Its Impact on Retirement Planning 48:37 - Understanding Risk vs. Volatility in Investments 57:27 - Future Trends in Retirement Planning Books & Authours Mentioned Nudge by Richard Thaler Misbeahving by Richard Thaler Thinking, Fast and Slow By Daniel Kahneman Research & Papers Referenced "A License to Spend" by David Blanchett, Michael Finke, and Wade Pfau The Jam Study (Choice Overload Study) by Shenna Lyengar and Mark Lepper Other Things to Note Oxford Risk Connect with Greg on LinkedIn Humans vs Retirement The Super Sunday Retirement Roundup Newsletter The Skill of Spending Money in Retirement Whitepaper The Humans vs Retirement Sketchstore Book in a Time For us to Chat About Your Retirement

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• How to Build Retirement Intelligence with Bob Laura

    Bob is a pioneer in the psychology and social science of retirement. He is a five-time best-selling author, nationally syndicated columnist and recognized presenter at retirement conferences across the US. He is the founder of the Retirement Coaches Association, Certified Professional Retirement Coach Designation and Retirement Intelligence Assessment. His work has reached millions of retirement readers through seven books, twelve guides, and over 800 articles. In addition to his own writings, he frequently appears in major business media outlets such as the Wall Street Journal, USA Today, CNBC, MarketWatch, the New York Times, and more. As a former social worker turned retirement expert and author, he has found that retirement is among the most fascinating, yet least understood, phases of life. As a result, he has developed a powerful message to tackle the mental, social, physical, spiritual, and financial aspects of retirement. In this episode Bob and discuss the common misconceptions about retirement, the rise of grey divorce, and the importance of pre-retirement planning. We also tackle some tricky subjects and highlight the dark side of retirement, including loneliness and addiction, and the necessity of establishing new routines to maintain mental health and social connections post-retirement. Bob discusses the evolving concept of retirement, emphasising the importance of identity, purpose, and personal fulfilment over financial wealth and he introduces the Retirement Quotient framework, which assesses readiness for retirement through various personal dimensions, including emotional and spiritual well-being. Key Takeaways Retirement planning should focus on the individual, not just finances. Many retirees experience a drop in social interactions. Pre-retirement planning is crucial for a successful transition. The 'honeymoon phase' of retirement can lead to disillusionment. Loneliness and addiction are significant issues in retirement. Couples often struggle with identity and purpose post-retirement. Establishing new routines is essential for mental health. Workaholism can hinder the retirement experience. Communication between partners is vital for a successful retirement. Retirement should be planned as a new chapter, not an end.  The new wealth is found in work-life balance and connections. Retirement amplifies who you already are, not who you want to be. Maslow's hierarchy applies to retirement, focusing on self-actualization. Retirement requires a proactive framework for success. The Retirement Quotient assesses personal readiness for retirement. Understanding personal traits is crucial for retirement planning. Retirement is an empty bucket that needs to be filled meaningfully. Mindset and habits are essential for a fulfilling retirement. Stop waiting for retirement to start living your values. The only guarantee in retirement is the inevitability of death. Books Mentioned Retirement Intelligence – Bob Laura’s book From Strength to Strength – Arthur Brooks book mentioned in the discussion about workaholism and identity) The Top Five Regrets of the Dying – Bronnie Ware’s book referenced when discussing regrets and priorities in retirement The Power of Regret – Daniel Pink’s book talked about in relation to turning regrets into action  Websites & Resources Retirement Coaches Association – Bob Laura’s organization focusing on retirement coaching Bob Laura’s Website – Link to Bob Laura’s official website for resources, blogs, and retirement coaching. Retirement Quotient (RQ) Assessment – Bob’s online assessment tool for RQ Harvard Study of Adult Development – The famous study mentioned in the discussion about social connection and longevity.  Other Mentions Gray Divorce Statistics – The Gray Divorce Revolution: Rising Divorce Among Middle-aged and Older Adults, 1990-2010 Loneliness & Aging Research – Loneliness in Old Age: An Unaddressed Health Problem Humans vs Retirement The Super Sunday Retirement Roundup Newsletter The Skill of Spending Money in Retirement Whitepaper The Humans vs Retirement Sketchstore Book in a Time For us to Chat About Your Retirement  

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• The Scarcity Trap: How to Shift to a Prosperity Mindset in Retirement with Leisa Peterson

  Today I welcome Leisa Peterson to the show, Leisa is the author of The Mindful Millionaire in which she writes brilliantly about overcoming scarcity, experiencing true prosperity and creating the life you really want. Leisa is on a mission to help 1,000,000 people elevate their financial consciousness by realizing their true value and creating greater financial security for themselves.   As a money coach, business consultant and spiritual teacher, Leisa host’s the Mindful Millionaire podcast as well as virtual workshops and transformative retreats.  Her masterful blend of sound financial strategy and mindfulness training helps people break free of patterns of lack, scarcity and money fears, allowing them to finally lead the rewarding, fulfilling, and abundant lives they most desire.   Leisa has appeared in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes and The Huffington Post to name a few and has been featured on many podcasts and radio shows. In this great conversation Leisa and I explore the intricate relationship between money, mindset, and personal values. Leisa shares her journey from a life of scarcity to becoming a mindful millionaire, emphasizing the importance of understanding one's emotional connection to money. We discuss how past experiences shape financial behaviours, the significance of cultivating a prosperity mindset, and the role of mindfulness in overcoming financial fears. We explore the importance of slowing down to make better financial decisions, aligning spending with personal values, and confronting financial realities. There is also some great nuggets of wisdom as we talk about the normalization of financial fears, the impact of past money stories, and the process of rewriting financial narratives. And make sure you listen in as Leisa introduces her, I Prosper process, which integrates mindfulness and emotional wellbeing into financial planning, ultimately leading to a reinvention of life and relationships. Key Takeaways The journey from scarcity to abundance is transformative. Understanding your money mindset is crucial for financial well-being. Mindset is deeply emotional, not just logical. Focusing on what you have can shift your perspective. Redefining success involves aligning values with financial decisions. Life events can catalyze significant changes in financial perspectives. Fear often drives financial decisions and behaviors. Storytelling can make financial planning more relatable and effective. Mindfulness practices can help manage financial anxiety. Emotional awareness is key to enjoying life and spending money. Slowing down is essential for better decision-making. Aligning spending with personal values can enhance fulfillment. Confronting financial realities can be daunting but necessary. Normalizing financial fears helps in addressing them. Understanding past money stories can reveal limiting beliefs. Rewriting financial narratives is possible at any stage of life. The I Prosper process offers a holistic approach to financial planning. Reinventing life involves prioritizing meaningful relationships. Every moment of life is precious and should be cherished. Mindfulness in financial planning can lead to emotional wellbeing. Books Mentioned: The Mindful Millionaire by Leisa Peterson https://www.amazon.com/Mindful-Millionaire-Overcome-Experience-Prosperity-ebook/dp/B0818QDPW1 The Money Catalyst by Leisa Peterson (Upcoming Release on May 11, 2025) (Pre-order link to be added when available) Websites & Resources: Leisa Peterson’s Wealth Clinic https://www.wealthclinic.com The Mindful Millionaire Podcast https://www.wealthclinic.com/podcast/ Concepts & Frameworks: The I PROSPER® Framework Leisa's 8-step process to help individuals transform their relationship with money. More details can be found here: https://www.wealthclinic.com/i-prosper-process/ Additional Resources: Mindfulness & Money Mindset Explore articles and resources on financial mindfulness at https://www.wealthclinic.com/mindful-millionaire-book/ Research on Spending & Happiness A study by Harvard Business School on how spending impacts well-being: https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=50495 Related Media: Interview with Leisa Peterson: How To Become A Mindful Millionaire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0ghHVy9ww Humans vs Retirement The Super Sunday Retirement Roundup Newsletter The Skill of Spending Money in Retirement Whitepaper The Humans vs Retirement Sketchstore Book in a Time For us to Chat About Your Retirement    

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• Lessons & Insights From a REAL Retirement Journey with Julian Hince

  Summary Welcome to a very special episode 72 of The Humans vs Retirement Podcast…  Why is it special I hear you say…  Well, its special because it’s a real retirement story and journey as I have a conversation with my wonderful client Julian Hince.  Whilst I love bringing expert opinions to you I think nothing hits home and resonates more than a real story of someone who has been through and is living through his own retirement journey.   As a bit of background to our conversation, Julian recently retired after a long career in financial services. He shares his journey towards retirement, discussing the emotional challenges he faced, the importance of seeking help, and the misconceptions surrounding how much is enough. He emphasizes the need to have open honest and vulnerable conversations about money and the emotional aspects of retirement planning, highlighting that retirement is not just about finances but also about finding purpose and identity in this new phase of life.   Julian shares inspirational insights and experiences on his journey to retirement, emphasizing the importance of financial advice, emotional preparation, and the joy of spending time with family. He discusses the transformative freedom retirement brings, the significance for him of giving back to the community, and the need for having accountability in managing his retirement finances. Julian also highlights his changing spending patterns in retirement, noting a natural decline his expenses as he becomes more vigilant about his spending. Throughout our conversation he offers first hand valuable advice for those considering retirement, stressing the importance of commitment and professional guidance.  Key Takeaways Julian emphasizes the importance of seeking help when planning for retirement, even for those in the financial industry. The emotional aspects of retirement are as crucial as the financial ones, and should not be underestimated. Many people have misconceptions about how much money is needed for retirement, often influenced by outdated benchmarks. Julian's journey involved making sacrifices, such as selling possessions, to achieve his retirement goals. The transition to retirement can be emotionally challenging, requiring individuals to find new purpose and identity. Conversations about money and retirement are often avoided, leading to misinformation and fear. Julian found joy in decluttering his life, realizing that material possessions held less value than his newfound freedom. The journey to retirement is ongoing, with emotional ups and downs that need to be navigated. It's important to think beyond the initial excitement of retirement and consider long-term fulfillment. Julian's experience highlights the need for a new generation to redefine retirement planning in a changing financial landscape. You might be surprised at how much is enough financially. Don't underestimate the emotional impact of retirement planning. Engaging with a professional can provide invaluable support. Spending time with family is one of the biggest joys of retirement. Loneliness is a significant issue for the elderly. Creating memories is more important than just focusing on money. Being vigilant about spending can lead to significant savings. Retirement allows for more time to focus on personal passions. Giving back to the community can enhance personal fulfillment. Accountability is crucial in managing retirement finances. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to Julian's Retirement Journey 01:56 - Julian's Career in Financial Services 04:31 - The Decision to Seek Help 06:37 - Understanding the Emotional Aspects of Retirement 09:53 - Challenging Preconceptions About Retirement Savings 12:58 - The Importance of Conversations About Money 15:58 - Making Sacrifices for Retirement 19:37 - The Joy of Letting Go of Material Possessions 22:38 - Surprises in the Transition to Retirement 24:56 - Navigating Emotional Challenges 27:52 - The Ongoing Journey of Finding Purpose 30:50 - Breaking the Silence on Retirement Finances 32:09 - Lessons Learned on the Retirement Journey 34:05 - Embracing Freedom and Family 36:40 - The Joy of Giving Back 39:10 - The Importance of Accountability 44:47 - Finding Purpose in Retirement 49:05 - Understanding Spending Patterns in Retirement 56:43 - Top Advice for Future Retirees Links The Super Sunday Retirement Roundup Newsletter The Skill of Spending Money in Retirement Whitepaper The Humans vs Retirement Sketchstore Book in a Time For us to Chat About Your Retirement  

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• How to Make Better Choices in Retirement with Richard Shotton

  Summary In this episode I get to chat with author and behavioural scientist, Richard Shotton.  Richard specialises in how humans make choices and has written 2 excellent books on this subject, the choice factory and the illusion of choice. He further specialises on applying findings from psychology and behavioural science to how businesses market their services and why consumers buy stuff  In this episode, Richard discusses the intersection of behavioural science and marketing, particularly in the context of how people make spending decisions in retirement. He shares insights from his research and experiences, highlighting the importance of fairness, social proof, and the emotional aspects of financial choices.   Our discussion also emphasizes the benefits of spending on experiences and others, as well as the challenges individuals face in transitioning from saving to spending during retirement.   Richard and I explore the complexities of retirement planning, focusing on behavioural economics and the psychological factors that influence spending habits. We discuss the importance of making financial decisions easier, and the impact of loss aversion on retirees' spending behaviours. We also delve into the paradox of choice and how an abundance of options can lead to decision paralysis. Key Takeaways Behavioral science can significantly improve marketing effectiveness. Fairness influences decision-making, often leading to suboptimal choices. Social proof plays a crucial role in financial decisions, especially in retirement. People often focus too much on outcomes rather than the decision-making process. Experiential spending tends to yield greater happiness than material purchases. Generosity in spending can enhance personal happiness. Expectations can heavily influence our experiences and satisfaction with purchases. Consistency bias can hinder the transition from saving to spending in retirement. Nudges can effectively guide individuals towards better financial choices. Understanding behavioral biases is key to making informed decisions.  The shift in saving defaults has significantly influenced saving habits. Making financial decisions easier can lead to better outcomes. Loss aversion plays a crucial role in how people spend their money. People are more likely to spend from guaranteed income than from capital. The paradox of choice can hinder decision-making in retirement planning. Financial advisors should use simple language to communicate effectively. Concrete stories are more memorable than abstract concepts in financial advice. Visualizing retirement can help individuals make better financial decisions. Defaults in financial products can greatly impact consumer behavior. Understanding and leveraging biases can improve financial planning outcomes. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to Behavioral Science in Marketing 06:01 - Social Proof and Herd Mentality in Retirement 12:10 - Spending Money Wisely: Experiences vs. Material Goods 17:53 - The Importance of Generosity in Spending 28:10 - Consistency Bias in Retirement Spending 36:02 - Behavioral Insights on Spending and Saving 42:10 - Navigating the Paradox of Choice 50:02 - Effective Communication for Financial Advisors Links The Choice Factory The Illusion of Choice The Super Sunday Retirement Roundup Newsletter The Skill of Spending Money in Retirement Whitepaper The Humans vs Retirement Sketchstore Book in a Time For us to Chat About Your Retirement

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