Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality

What can climate communicators learn from stand-up comedians? Quite a lot, it turns out. Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend sit down with Stuart Goldsmith — climate comedian, podcaster, and Live at the Apollo veteran — and Esteban Gast, the Colombian-American comedian behind the Climate Comedy Cohort. They talk about performing for hostile rooms, the power of vulnerability, why hypocrisy is the best material, and why treating your audience like friends might be the most underrated tool in climate communications.

Soli and Joel ask an uncomfortable question:sustainability professionals are trained to track trends and build momentum —but are we actually prepared for wild cards?
We went through some big ones: a 90% probability El Niño that most supply chains aren't pricing in, a data center oppositionmovement that's blocked $18 billion in U.S. projects, an insurance exodusthat's quietly making whole communities uninsurable, and the reality that social movements — for and against sustainability — are among the most powerful forces shaping corporate behavior.
As Soli put it: This is literally our job. And we're not doing it.

Joel and Soli dig into the new State of the Sustainability Profession report, which reveals a field under pressure — shrinking CEO engagement, shifting reporting lines, and budgets in flux. Then, author and activist Katharine Wilkinson joins to discuss her new book Climate Wayfinding, and why the inner work of grief, community, and reimagination may be exactly what sustainability professionals need right now.

The word "resilience" is everywhere right now. Which probably means it's already in trouble.
In our latest Two Steps Forward episode, Soli and Joel and pulled on this thread — and found something worth sharing: resilience isn't a rebrand for sustainability. It's what sustainability always was, just dressed in language that the C-suite might finally recognize.

We spoke with Linda Freiner, Group Chief Sustainability Officer at Zurich Insurance Group, on the role of insurance in a world of increasing risk. What became clear is that insurance isn’t peripheral to sustainability. It is, in many ways, the operating system beneath it.
Insurance, after all, is about pricing the future. And right now, the future is anything but predictable.
Freiner frames insurance not as a brake on risk-taking, but as an enabler. Without it, businesses don’t launch, infrastructure doesn’t get built, and innovation doesn’t scale. Insurance is the social safety net that allows the economy to function — and, increasingly, to transform.
But here’s the catch: The model is under strain.