Marketing Against The Grain

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Ep. 458

Did you know that despite all the noise about shrinking marketing teams, data shows the proportion of marketing roles hasn’t really changed?

Kipp and Kieran dive into the future of marketing teams, why the shape—not the size—of your team is what really matters, and how you can thrive in the new landscape. Learn more on why marketing roles aren’t disappearing, how AI is reshaping teams (not replacing them), and why pod models and zero-to-one marketers are key to the next wave of marketing success.

Mentions

Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

Claude https://claude.ai/

ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/

Codex https://openai.com/codex/

Opus 5.5 https://www.anthropic.com/claude-opus-5-5

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Ep. 457

AI is now a pretty good content creator—and that’s actually a problem.

Kieran dives into why today’s wave of AI-generated content is flooding the internet with sameness, and what marketers can do to stand out from the noise. Learn more on building your own Creative Context OS in just three files, how to teach AI your unique perspective and taste, and the critical difference between content that’s truly “you” versus commodity work everyone else is churning out.

Mentions

Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

Nicolas Cole, Commodity Content https://artandbiz.substack.com/p/the-right-way-to-write-with-ai

Codex https://openai.com/codex/

Dharmesh Shah linkedin.com/in/dharmesh

Positioning: The Battle for Your Mind https://a.co/d/08UXJ6E1

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Resource

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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

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Ep. 456

Is the CMO role dead in the age of AI-driven marketing?

Kipp, Kieran, and guest Cody Schneider (Cofounder of Graphed.com) dive into how AI agents are transforming the marketing landscape, slashing the cost of creative production, and reshaping marketing teams. Learn more on scaling content with AI agents, automating paid and organic campaigns, and how the new world of “marketing engineering” is making one person as effective as a team of twenty.

Mentions

Cody Schneider https://www.youtube.com/@codyschneiderx

Graphed https://www.graphed.com/

Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

DaVinci Resolve https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

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TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

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We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

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Ep 455

Did you know HubSpot lost 140 million visits in a year but still increased demand generation by 20%?

Kipp and Kieran dive into why the old rules of marketing no longer work—and what new playbooks you need to win in the AI era, at HubSpot’s Unbound. Learn more on building a living taste profile, leveraging AI for relentless content creation, optimizing paid ads through creative experimentation, and turning rapid learning into your team's ultimate advantage.

Mentions

Unbound https://unbound.hubspot.com/

Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

Yamini Rangan https://www.linkedin.com/in/yaminirangan/

Claude https://claude.ai/

Meta Advantage+ https://www.facebook.com/business/ads/meta-advantage-plus

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

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Ep. 454

Did you know that today, 68% of all Google searches end without a single click?

Kipp, Kieran, and guest Amanda Natividad (founder of Zero Click Marketing, and co-author of the forthcoming book, Zero Click Marketing) dive into the era of zero-click marketing, covering how search behavior is changing, what it means for your company’s growth, and what you must do to thrive. Learn more on evolving beyond Google to meet your audience where they are, rethinking the purpose of SEO in a diversified search landscape, and building lasting value by focusing on the right audience—not just more traffic.

Mentions

Amanda Natividad https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandanat/

Zero Click Marketing https://zeroclickmarketing.co/

Zero Click Marketing (book) https://www.damngravity.com/products/zero-click-marketing

SparkToro https://sparktoro.com/

Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.