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Our Testing Journey: Dr Alena Pribyl on analysis of the human gut microbiome at Microba Life Sciences
16/10/2026 | 1h 4 mins.Have you ever wondered what microbiome testing looks like? In this episode, co-hosts Dr Siobhan McCormack and Dr Sheena Fraser chat to guest Dr Alena Pribyl from Microba Life Sciences, after sending off their poo samples to be analysed.
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What We Cover:
The process start-to-finish of both co-hosts testing journey: the sample taking, mailing, storage and breaking down the process that is used to analyse their samples
Metagenomic analysis at Microba Life Sciences and the positives and pitfalls in the industry
The expansion of this field, how it's developed and grown over the years and things to look out for if you are interested in testing
Dr Alena Pribyl's expertise and input at every stage of process
The publications and science behind the process and beyond
Dr Alena Pribyl is Lead Scientist at Microba Life Sciences, a microbial genomics company based in Brisbane, Australia, specialising in high-resolution analysis of the human gut microbiome. Alena has worked in the human gut microbiome field for more than 10 years, with a focus on translating complex microbiome science into meaningful insights.
She completed her PhD in physiology and molecular biomarkers of stress before moving into microbial ecology and human gut microbiome research at the Australian Centre for Ecogenomics at the University of Queensland. In 2018, she became part of the founding team at Microba Life Sciences, where she now leads the science team.
Her work focuses on the scientific development and evidence base behind microbiome testing, including how metagenomic analysis can help us better understand the gut microbial community, its functional potential, and its links with health.
Relevant Microba publications:
Benchmarking of our community profiler (bioinformatic analysis):https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/microbiology/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2021.643682/full
Validation of our sample collection method: https://academic.oup.com/ismecommun/article/1/1/14/7462904
Validation of pathogen detection using metagenomics: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/cellular-and-infection-microbiology/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2026.1759322/full
Some recent key papers demonstrating that metagenomics can provide meaningful analyses:
IBD prediction: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03280-4
Functional/taxonomic changes in active vs inactive IBD: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1237-9
CRC prediction: https://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/fulltext/S1931-3128(26)00223-4
Immunotherapy response: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-02823-z, https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-025-01930-y
Type 2 diabetes prediction: https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/45/4/811/141052/Gut-Microbiome-Composition-Is-Predictive-of
Drug-microbiome interactions: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1291-3
Pathogen identification: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(23)00244-6/fulltext,
Diet-microbiome associations: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-026-04312-x
Microbiome-based stratification for lifestyle interventions: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40168-023-01604-z
Healthy ageing prediction: https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-024-00678-0,
Also some publications on the inaccuracy of using the F:B phyla ratios:
F:B ratio debunking:Disclaimer: In this episode, Alastair shares his enthusiasm and passion for postbiotics. Please note that while this is a rapidly evolving area of microbiome research, the scientific evidence is still building. The Microbiome Medics team advises that there is currently insufficient evidence to support specific health claims regarding postbiotics. We have enclosed some high-quality references below for listeners interested in further reading.
What are postbiotics, and why might they be the next massive breakthrough in gut health? In this episode of the Microbiome Medics Podcast, Dr. Sheena Fraser is joined by Alastair Jessel, founder of The Postbiotic Company (AYA BIOME™), for an eye-opening dive into the world of post-fermentation microbial science.
Using a clever "beer factory" analogy, Alastair breaks down exactly how postbiotics differ from prebiotics and live probiotics, explaining why these stable, inanimate metabolites might bypass the common pitfalls of live probiotic supplements, like dying on the shelf or in stomach acid. The conversation explores the patented fermentation of turmeric, sharing compelling insights from clinical trials regarding inflammation, weight management, and systemic health, alongside striking anecdotal evidence for skin conditions like rosacea.
Dr. Fraser grounds the discussion with clinical nuance, emphasizing the foundational importance of a whole-food, plant-based diet and natural fermented foods, while exploring how targeted postbiotic supplements could support patients recovering from antibiotic use or managing chronic metabolic issues.
Tune in to learn:
The fundamental differences between prebiotics, probiotics, and postbiotics.
Why shelf stability and bioavailability are the biggest hurdles for gut supplements.
The clinical evidence behind fermented turmeric and its 550+ active metabolites.
The potential role of postbiotics in post-antibiotic gut recovery, skin health, and metabolic function.
Why Dr. Fraser advocates for a "food first" approach alongside emerging microbiome therapies.
(Guest Info: Alastair Jessel is the founder of AYA BIOME™ and publishes commentary on the gut health industry via his Substack, @amanofkent.)
Scientific References & Further Reading:
Braga, J. D., et al. (2024). Gamma-aminobutyric acid as a potential postbiotic mediator in the gut-brain axis. Science of Food, 8(16).
Higova, E. (2024). Postbiotics as metabolites and their biotherapeutic potential. International Journal of Medical Sciences, 25, 5441.
Liang, B., & Xing, D. (2023). The current and future perspectives of postbiotics. Probiotics and Antimicrobial Proteins.
Ma, L., et al. (2023). Postbiotics in human health. Nutrients, 15, 291.
The Postbiotic Company. Research, Clinical Studies & Trials.
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Disclaimer: The content in this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your doctor or qualified healthcare provider. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have heard on this podcast.While "gut health" is a ubiquitous buzzword in the wellness industry, it has historically lacked a clear scientific definition. In this episode, host Dr. Siobhan McCormack sits down with world-renowned expert Professor Maria Marco from UC Davis and the International Scientific Association for Probiotics and Prebiotics (ISAPP).
They discuss the new scientific consensus defining gut health, the crucial differences between fermented foods and probiotics, and what we can actually learn from direct-to-consumer stool tests. Plus, Siobhan gets a behind-the-scenes look at a rigorous clinical trial investigating the health impacts of kimchi.
What We Cover:
Defining Gut Health: How a global expert panel established the first consensus definition, moving beyond just the microbiome to include six complex domains.
Symptoms vs. Biomarkers: Why you can still achieve "gut health" even with a chronic but well-managed gut disorder.
The Microbiome Testing Reality Check: The limitations of commercial stool tests and why they currently lack the clinical utility to guide personalized medical treatment.
Fermented Foods vs. Probiotics: The true distinction between foods fermented for taste and preservation, versus specific live microbial strains proven to deliver targeted health benefits.
Inside the Marco Lab: A look at the complexities of nutritional science, including an ongoing clinical trial comparing the physiological effects of kimchi to unfermented cabbage.
Scientific References & Further Reading:
Marco, M., et al. (2025). Consensus panel definition of gut health. Nature Reviews.
Marco, M., et al. (2026). 'The impact of fermented dairy on gastrointestinal health and associated biomarkers'. Nutrition Reviews.
Bischoff, S. (2011). "Gut health": a new objective in medicine? Perspective Paper.
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Disclaimer: The content in this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your doctor or qualified healthcare provider. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have heard on this podcast.While we often think of sleep and diet as separate pillars of health, our internal biological clocks and gut microbiome intricately connect them both. In this episode, co-hosts Dr. Siobhan McCormack and Dr. Sheena Fraser dive into the fascinating, bidirectional relationship between circadian rhythms, sleep quality, and gut health.
They discuss how our physiology adapts to 24-hour light and dark cycles, the metabolic havoc caused by social jet lag and shift work, and how our gut microbes actually operate on their own daily schedules. Plus, Siobhan and Sheena share practical, evidence-based chrononutrition strategies and explore how targeted dietary patterns, probiotics, and fermented foods can significantly boost your mood and sleep architecture.
What We Cover:
The Circadian Symphony: How light, dark, and our body's internal peripheral clocks orchestrate everything from hormone release (like cortisol and melatonin) to digestion.
Sleep Architecture & Mental Health: The critical role of REM and deep sleep, and how just one night of sleep deprivation increases impulsivity and degrades mood.
Chrononutrition: Why when you eat is just as important as what you eat, and how meal timing acts as a major environmental cue for your gut microbes.
Social Jet Lag & Shift Work: The metabolic consequences of disrupted sleep cycles, including increased risks for Type 2 Diabetes, and actionable strategies to regain circadian balance.
Nutrients & Microbes for Sleep: Exploring the science behind specific dietary protocols, the power of Lactobacillus, and how fermented foods support restorative rest.
Scientific References & Further Reading:
Conti, F. (2025). ‘Dietary protocols to promote and improve restful sleep: A narrative review’. Nutrition Reviews
Dobielska, M. et al. (2025). ‘Association between fermented food consumption and sleep quality under psychological stress: Prospective cohort study’. Food Science & Nutrition.
Scott, A.J., Webb, T.L., Martyn-St James, M., Rowse, G., & Weich, S. (2021). 'Improving sleep quality leads to better mental health: A meta-analysis of randomised controlled trials'. Sleep Medicine Reviews
Hepsomali, P., & Groeger, J.A. (2021). 'Diet, sleep and mental health: Insights from the Uk Biobank Study'. Nutrients
Reid, M., Omlin, X., Espie, C., Sharman, R., Tamm, S., & Kyle, S. (2022). 'The effect of sleep continuity disruption on multimodal emotion processing and regulation'. Journal of Sleep Research
Marx, W., Manger, S.H., et al. (2023). 'Clinical guidelines for the use of lifestyle-based mental health care in major depressive disorder'. World Journal of Biological Psychiatry
Vetter, C. et al. (2018). 'Night Shift Work, Genetic Risk, and Type 2 Diabetes in the UK Biobank'. Diabetes Care
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Disclaimer:
The content in this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your doctor or qualified healthcare provider. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have heard on this podcast.While the gut microbiome often steals the spotlight, the microorganisms residing in our respiratory tract play a vital role in our health and immunity. In this episode, Dr. Sheena Fraser sits down with microbial ecologist Dr. Michael Cox to explore the fascinating, complex, and relatively uncharted territory of the lung microbiome.
They discuss how the lung microbiome fundamentally differs from the gut, the daily flux of bacteria entering and leaving our airways, and the profound impacts of environmental factors like air pollution, smoking, vaping, and household cleaning products. Plus, Dr. Cox shares the massive challenges scientists face when studying these deep-tissue microbes and what the future of respiratory medicine might look like.
What We Cover:
From Seawater to Sputum: Using marine ecology techniques to decode human respiratory biology.
Exploring the lungs' dynamic balance of microaspiration and mucociliary clearance.
Meet the core lung bacteria (Streptococcus, Prevotella, Veillonella) and the puzzle of anaerobes in an oxygen-rich space.
Environmental Disruptors: How pollution, smoking, and vaping inflame and alter the lung microbiome.
Hidden Dangers of VOCs: The silent impact of everyday cleaning sprays and aerosols on respiratory health.
Diet, Exercise, & Epigenetics: The systemic benefits of a high-fiber diet and fitness for chronic lung conditions like COPD and asthma.
About
Dr. Michael Cox is a microbial ecologist and the PGR Lead for the Institute of Microbiology and Infection at the University of Birmingham. His research focuses on the bacteria that reside in the respiratory tract in the context of respiratory diseases (such as COPD and Cystic Fibrosis). His lab works to understand the function of the respiratory microbiome, translate these findings for clinical benefit, and expand our understanding of the respiratory ecosystem beyond just bacteria.
Connect with Dr Michael Cox:
University of Birmingham
Scientific References & Further Reading:
Cumming, K. J. (2018). "Long term effects of cleaning on the lungs." American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, 197(9):1099-1101.
Hussain, S., et al. (2024). "Unlocking the secrets: VOCs and their devastating effects on lung cancer." Pathology - Research and Practice, 255:155157.
Welsh, H. A., et al. (2026). "The effect of vaping on the human lung microbiota." Inhalation Toxicology, Vol 38, Iss 1.
This podcast is brought to you in collaboration with the British Society of Lifestyle Medicine.
Disclaimer:
The content in this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your doctor or qualified healthcare provider. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have heard on this podcast.More Alternative Health podcastsTrending Alternative Health podcastsAbout Microbiome MedicsDr Siobhan McCormack and Dr Sheena Fraser are the Microbiome Medics, two GPs who believe that the rapidly emerging science of Human Microbiomes presents a paradigm shift in the way medicine is perceived, researched, and practiced. The Microbiome Medics Podcast is the place where clinicians, scientists and anyone else can learn about Human Microbiomes, Lifestyle Medicine, how they connect and how they can be harnessed to improve health outcomes. Join our two intrepid Microbiome explorers as they unearth the evidence and present the multiple ways in which the trillions of microbes living in and on you can impact your physiology and health. This podcast will escort you through the basics, explain the research, introduce you to the experts and package the latest evidence into actionable, bite-sized chunks that you can use today to improve your own health and the health of your patients. Our only declaration of interest is that we have co-created "the gut microbiome for clinicians", an online course for busy health professionals with over 30 hours of learning available at http://bslm.org.uk/Podcast websiteListen to Microbiome Medics, The RAISE Podcast and many other podcasts from around the world with the radio.net app

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