In this episode, we're joined by Christian Crumlish to explore what it actually looks like to build products with AI in the real world. We dig into AI-assisted product management, coding workflows, multi-agent orchestration, testing, verification, and why human judgment still matters more than ever. Christian shares practical examples of using tools like Claude and Cursor to accelerate learning, prototyping, and software delivery, while Murray and Donna challenge the hype around AI replacing skilled practitioners. Join us for a grounded and thoughtful discussion about AI as a capability amplifier, not a silver bullet.